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Old 07-01-2016, 09:26 PM #769
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I will read about the evil Monsanto corp. but just what are they doing that's going to destroy us?
They are close to dominating the worlds food and if you want to talk about defending individuals rights, how about their GMO crops that are designed to cross pollinate with non Monsanto crops so then they can sue and take the privately owned farms.
Nestle wants all the water, monsanto all the food. These companies are attacking the very basics needs to support life. Hows that for a start.


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Do you think the big money bankers and corporations are ever losing power under Hillary? She is for sale and they are buying, money and power will always go together, the question in this election is will we lose our right to talk about it, because as goes the 2nd will go the 1st, you can count on it.

Next time you buy something at Walmart look at where it was made, mostly it's China.

I will read about the evil Monsanto corp. but just what are they doing that's going to destroy us?
People need to realize that 'picking and choosing' isn't an option with the BoR. It's not a "Oh I don't care about guns so we can do away with the 2nd" kinda thing. Imagine the amendments as cables holding up the bridge of liberty. The 4th has basically been mangled to the point of being a few wires. The 2nd is starting to fray and come undone. Do enough damage and the whole bridge will fall.

The reason things have gotten so bad is due to creative reinterpretation of the BoR.

You have protection against unlawful searches(Except if a dog sniffs at your car the wrong way).

You have protection against unlawful seizures(Except in the case of civil forfeiture where the police charge the property with the crime of being illegally obtained, and it's up to you to prove otherwise).

You have protection against cruel and unusual punishment(Unless the cops wanna conduct a cavity search looking for drugs. Rape anyone?)
(or the cops will just throw you in a cell and leave you to rot for 5 days without food or water)
Student locked in cell for 5 days by forgetful DEA sues for $20M - NY Daily News

You have protection against warrant-less searches(unless it's online. We gotta monitor EVERYTHING in the name of stopping terror).

You have the right to keep and bear arms which are in common use(Per the Heller definition).(Except if you live in NY, Cali, Connecticut, MD or other states where they've banned guns such as the AR15). The AR15 is the DEFINITION of a common use gun. It's the most popular rifle in America. For some reason our SCOTUS doesn't consider challenges to these statewide bans to be worthwhile though.

The continued cutting at the cables of liberty needs to be stopped.
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Exactly right Razako, but sometimes we need to pick a common thread to fixate upon and the 1st and 2nd are keystones.

I think the bank of China may well buy Monsanto and everything else.

Everyone who loves freedom and wants to be free needs to start making connections, make ham radio friends, start going to church...I have not been in 35 years but I may well start going.
We need to talk about our plan of unity while it's still legal to do so, before meeting in groups of more than 3 becomes illegal.

Join a shooting club..... funny thing, I was at a range I like a few days ago and I asked the police officer who was hanging out with the 2 workers behind the counter what will we do if Hillary gets in, all 3 looked at me and said almost as one REVOLUTION.

This next election is about freedom, if you don't think we can become severely oppressed just look at history.

I don't want to have to go through a restart, I would like to see the pendulum swung back in favor of the people, but big banks and business will not suffer under Hillary, their power will grow, only we will be restricted in so many ways.....maybe we need that, maybe like the movie " V " we will finally swarm empty handed like ants, only with modern technology the ant spray may mean a lot higher cost for the oppressed to get free.

The momentum is already building, and I am ready to give all I have to stand against the coming oppression, I like many others draw a line at the 2nd Amendment, this is where I will fight and if I fall then so be it, but I will fight and I will not stand by as my fellow patriots are snatched away at the edges of the protest, they will find me pulling them back.

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I honestly believe our rights have a better chance of protection with Clinton than Trump and I will do everything in my power to see it happens. I'm sure Trump supporters will do the same and they certainly have that right. But, Trump makes it so easy for me that it is not really a contest. I am looking forward to some liberal justices on the SC as it has been far too long since that was the case. Anyone remember the 2000 election when Republican appointees took the Florida ballot recount away saying it would prejudice George Bushes presidency? There is certainly more at stake here.
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They are all puppets, maybe...maybe Trump isn't, but Hillary is a puppet and she will attack us hard for her masters.

This video is 3 years old, it's pretty much on point still. Year 2000 you say, lol, you enjoyed the puppet show?

Russia and China are partnered, they are building a high speed railway from Russia to China and China is running the Russian oil fields, now big reserves have been found in Syria and America is backing the counter forces who are basically Muslim extremist against Russia in Syria, how much ISIS oil do you think is keeping our gas prices down?

Hillary will sell us out and making us as dossal and dependent as possible will help facilitate total control for what is to come.

Food and water will be used to control us and they want it all in one basket.

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To recap the 2000 election, Al Gore had won 1.5 million more votes than George Bush and the Florida Ballots had been misfiled by the Republican Election Committee. They had a State Supreme Court ruling that these ballots be recounted and as the less than 200 votes between the two candidates got closer to being in favor of Al Gore the Republican appointees to the SC stopped the recount. This basically stole the election away from the people who had voted in Florida, and also the rest of the country. Things like this should never be allowed to happen again.
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You mean like Hillary and her super delegates cheating us out of Bernie?

We must cling to self reliance, as a counter balance, so we have a voice...at all.
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Being a Republican, I don't expect you to understand the Democratic primaries, so I will try to be informative. The super delegates have been a part of the primary process for many decades and Bernie Sanders was as surprised as anyone that his campaign had gotten as far as it did. I would have liked to have seen him succeed, but I knew as he did, that it was a very long shot. It has come out that he plans, if he hasn't already, to indorse Hillary Clinton for president. That's how it works in these primaries. He was never a viable candidate for you as I think you have voted Republican your whole life. So, not having a dog in this fight, what is your point?
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Fascism is the merging of State with big business and Hillary is not going to work against that, she will be well paid and her SCOTUS appointees will do what she wants, they may rule the way you like on one thing then go 180 out on another.

My point is the rigged system will get more rigged and the wage slaves will suffer as we work harder and have less, at some point all the propped up dead weight needed to win elections won't be needed anymore and the money wont be there to support them and much suffering and despair will ensue.

You can not trust a self serving criminal like Hillary and her judges will be in her pocket long after she is out of office.

Do you attempt to facilitate our survival through Trump or watch Hillary get fatter as she rides us down for her remaining years?
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This sounds so very much like every Republican rant about some Democrat. They were after Obama as soon as he was elected and his mistake was thinking you can work with Republicans. The mistakes of youth. Republicans have an existential problem as their base is loaded with evangelicals and the gun lobby. There is no way forward to the presidency with that base holding the primary hostage. There aren't enough white males left to elect a Republican any longer. So, unless you start a new party, I don't see another Republican president ever.
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This sounds so very much like every Republican rant about some Democrat. They were after Obama as soon as he was elected and his mistake was thinking you can work with Republicans. The mistakes of youth. Republicans have an existential problem as their base is loaded with evangelicals and the gun lobby. There is no way forward to the presidency with that base holding the primary hostage. There aren't enough white males left to elect a Republican any longer. So, unless you start a new party, I don't see another Republican president ever.
You've stumbled upon a big issue here though. We actually NEED to have two viable parties. What motivates the Democrats to stay honest if the people have no viable alternative? Trump isn't viable IMO because he's pissed off too many blacks, Hispanics, women, muslims etc to be electable. Right now the Republican party is struggling to stay relevant and the Dems have grown lazy as a result.

Hillary is super unpopular even among dems. Only reason she was even selected as a candidate is because people knew it doesn't really matter vs Trump. You can't win the general when white males are almost the only people supporting you. Maybe Trump will prove us all wrong, but I doubt it.

Basically the DNC and super delegates have served us all crap on a plate and said "Deal with it". They know there's no viable alternative so they can do whatever they want. Hillary only won due to super delegates and winning in red states that she won't win in the general anyway.
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I agree with most of what you have said. Unusual for this contentious thread. Hillary is not my first choice at all, but she will do when Trump is the alternative. I hope the Republicans can become more diverse, but the past would suggest otherwise. It is a shame that the party of Abraham Lincoln has fallen so far.
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Considering that either state I'm likely to vote in will go red anyway, I'm voting for Deez Nuts. Hell, I might even write in "Hillary is a lying *itch." I'd vote trump before voting for that cow even though I can't stand him. I really hope she ends up in jail.
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They really need to charge Hillary just so people can see that the rule of law still exists.

When those elected to uphold the law and in plain view don't have to follow any rules then why the hell should the people, it's how anarchy starts.
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I agree, I've lost a great amount of hope in a fair legal system.
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