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Old 06-30-2016, 09:21 PM #737
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Tell me paul1598419

We all know tobacco kills, it causes horrible health consequences, but there is money in it so rather than ban the poison Uncle Sam took a big fat payoff.

The concept that we are concerned about gun safety while we allow that poison to kill and burden the healthcare system is insanity, no it's about money and control, but what is your problem paul1598419 ?

Who in your life died by gunshot, my wife coughed up blood and died from tobacco, who in your life did a bullet kill paul1598419 ?

Obama screwed us on this Iran deal, it's practically treason, but you are concerned about citizens carrying guns?

Are you just paranoid or is there a reason?

You do need to understand that guns are never going away, so why handicap the law abiding citizens?


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RedCowboy, nobody I know personally died from a gunshot wound. I'm sorry your wife died from tobacco. You might have prevented that if you had helped her quit. IDK, but, since you are making assumptions about me, it seems turn about is fair play. Just recently, here near Puget Sound an angry road rage incident ended with a guy in a pickup truck firing shots at another driver. Why can't you see that you have no right in a society to carry a loaded hand gun with you where ever you wish as we are all put at risk by that decision of yours, RedCowboy. More people are killed here in this country by guns than in any other western country and if I have to worry about someone carrying a loaded hand gun whenever I go anywhere I am no longer free. Fortunately, RedCowboy, it is not up to you or I. Why are you trying to make this personal? I disagree with your opinions, but I'll defend your right to have them.
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Could be wrong, but I don't think paul1598419 is taking the stance that guns are bad.

Rather that it's a bit crazy to have concealed carry specifically as a right, as opposed to right to carry arms as a right.

Edit: So it does appear I was wrong. Oh well.

"if I have to worry about someone carrying a loaded hand gun whenever I go anywhere I am no longer free." - That's an odd definition of freedom. I feel more worried when I drive in traffic and have some jackass ride my bumper.

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Maybe he is a prohibited person who's idea of being free is harassing people and he won't feel free/safe to verbally accost people if they might be armed?

Maybe he is just worried about his welfare check?

Maybe he just doesn't get it, criminals will carry guns anyway and law abiding citizens were never a threat to him in the first place.

Here's a fun fact, the population of any given city has less crime when more people are armed. i.e. Criminals prefer gun free zones and unarmed victims.
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Come on RC, you know damn well it's the last one. Many people just don't feel comfortable around guns.

That is also their right.

Doesn't mean it grants them freedom to infringe on others rights.

All of that said, I'm really not at all opposed to registration, background checks, and closing gun show/private party sales loopholes, and I think it's clear I'm a rather staunch supporter of gun rights.
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For some reason his other post did not show up before, and I tried like hell to get her to quit, she even went in a hospital for 3 weeks once and came out smoke free and if I did not stay glued to her at Wal-Mart she would be out front bumming a smoke.

I smoked cigarettes in the past before I met her and for the 11 years we were together I only got 2nd hand smoke, I was able to quit but she just could not.

I also usually don't carry, I hardly ever carry, but if I need to I can and I have trained and am permitted, I would hate like hell to kill anyone or deal with the god awful aftermath, going to court and dealing with something like a Treyvon Martin ordeal is always at the back of my mind so I pick up the pepper spray and flashlight when I walk, but if I feel I need my gun ( such as when the large stray dogs start roaming in packs of 3 ) I can take it, but it would have to be an extreme matter of life and death for me to ever use it.
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I have no problem with people owning guns or using them for hunting and protection as I have had many friends who hunted and shot at gun ranges. I do find it disturbing that some people feel they should have the right to carry a loaded hand gun anywhere in public, and I believe I have the right to that opinion. I find RedCowboy's implication that I get a "welfare check" very offensive and personally reprehensible. But, that's just him. You can take the trailer trash out of the trailer, but you can't take the trash out of him.
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Hey, I've screwed some really decent broads who lived in trailers, some of them even had their own teeth.

While you worry think about someone sneezing and crossing the center line, or simply driving with their head stuck in their phone texting.

People should not carry in bars when they drink, actually drunken carry is prohibited even with a permit.

But if you need to go change your wife's tire and she's on "that" side of town, it's good to know have the ability to stand down the enraged chemically deranged madmen that would kill for another crack rock.

If packs of dogs or wildcats have mauled people recently along the jogging trail, or people have been stabbed on the subway recently, then being able to feel able to defend yourself is important.

We have to trust the guy across the yellow line not to sneeze and crash into us at that point of no return, or crash into us intentionally, and I trust my fellow citizen to go armed, for the most part we will all be safer.

The criminals will shank us with sharpened plastic sticks they sneak past the metal detectors, sometimes even after you surrender your wallet.
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I'm done arguing with you. It's a pointless exercise. I will post my opinions here though as I have at least as much right to do so as you. BTW, correlation does not prove causality. Anyone who has taken statistics will know what that means and to what it pertains.
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There is a problem with statistics, they don't count all the people who defended their homes or families on the road, many are never even reported, but every illegal shooting is in those stats.

You're afraid of everyone, I'm only afraid of the bad guys.

You apparently have a low opinion of humanity, we must all be deviant/careless trash to you.
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All banning concealed carry does is make criminals safer. When is the last time somebody with a CCW permit caused an incident anyway? Gun free zones just create a guaranteed risk free killing field for psychos.
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I will make this simple.

GOD gave me the right to defend myself and no writing on paper by a politician with his/her own defense force will ever prevent me from my GOD given right. It also happens to be my Constitutional right, and my State Constitutional right.

I am ready to take to the streets with many others, this is not England, we will fight this, while religious zealots are increasing the frequency of terrorist acts.....Read those stats, I have, this is not the time to make ourselves soft targets.

I am baffled that you don't understand this right, that's why I accused you of an anterior motive for supporting Hillary such as welfare, I just can't see intelligent people buying into the fear mongering that we are all killers when in a car or carrying a baseball bat.

When I can't legally be able to defend myself anywhere that I may have to go then I don't feel free.
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Washington Post, today. Growing list of big-name Republicans who are supporting Hillary Clinton. All said they can't support Trump as he isn't qualified to be president.
Henry Paulson Richard Armitage Brent Scowcroft Alan Steinberg Kori Schake Doug Elmets Jim Cicconi Robert Kagen Max Boot Former elected Republicans: Larry Pressler Arne Carlson Robert Smith
Republican operatives: Mark Salter Mike Traiser Craig Snyder. So, if you are like me and cannot permit Donald Trump to be president, and are Republican, here are some others you might know and can relate to.
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All banning concealed carry does is make criminals safer. When is the last time somebody with a CCW permit caused an incident anyway? Gun free zones just create a guaranteed risk free killing field for psychos.
George Zimmerman killing Travon Martin in Florida and being acquitted because of a stand your ground law that led to jury nullification. This guy was a self professed neighborhood watcher who detained the unarmed teen and then shot him.
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Neither is qualified. The analogy to this debate would you prefer to be stabbed or shot.
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