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Old 06-29-2016, 09:57 PM #721
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The scotus appointment is as important as anything and I think Trump will appoint judges more likely to uphold our Constitution, Hillary would appoint her own puppets and that would be very bad.


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Except that the "conservative" judges, and republican presidents have actually done way more damage where our constitutional rights are concerned.

War on drugs? Nixon.
Expansion of the war on drugs? Reagan.
Patriot Act? Bush.

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Nothing said here is truer than the statement that Republican appointees to the Supreme Court have eroded the rights to due process and more over, have set the corporations up as having the same rights as living breathing individuals. I believe that the next Supreme nominee needs to be other than another Republican lackey. Fortunately, Trump is his own worst enemy and will keep this from happening all by himself. Him and his undeserved ego.
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Are you talking about upholding the patriot act?

Have you read all of Obamacare?

I think we should repeal both.

I fear big government all together, I want a new small government......maybe Hillary will hasten the demise of the current government?

It's not going to be comfortable and people will resist real change until the very end even defending their slave masters, most people couldn't handle real change and real freedom, I think we have a generation of people who want to be told what to do, moreover they want other people to be told what to do so they can feel safe, how far humanity has fallen all while calling it progressive and thinking they are modern to be rats in a cage.

The patriot act may have been designed with some protections built in, but it is still easily abused and I don't like it, I don't like Obamacare either, it's a disaster and easily abused, we are going to have to find the courage to be free and that won't happen until we are all severely oppressed, such a waste of time for lessons we should have already learned, but Hillary is not the answer, voting at State level I agree is important.




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Can the Supreme Court go over a case again? For example, could prior decisions that were made with a conservative balance of power in the court be re examined, if, say the Democrats win and the court shifts over to a liberal majority?

Something like District of Columbia v. Heller or McDonald v. City of Chicago (related to 2nd amendment), cases there were decided with a close margin.
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When those we charge with enforcing our rules decide the rules don't count and we let it pass then anything is possible.

This is the vacuum filled by religion, but the religious leaders have to be intelligent enough to bring balance, but they have lost their grip through negligence and now the state is running wild.

In times of coming poverty and oppression people will find strength in religious belief as they will have nothing else and around and around we go until our learned lessons can outlive our bodies, but change is part of evolution, rebellious children are natures law and from this socialist quagmire freedom will be fought for again by the young.

These suicide bombing Islamic extremist will be a very hard group to win against, like kamikaze they are a game changer, and we will see more and more of it, this should never have been allowed to go this far, for our path to change would take a great unity that we don't possess.

Yes the scotus will do all kinds of stuff they are not supposed to, like asking the lawyers what they can do during the election debate.....un...freaking....believable.

But yes, anything can happen as long as the masses let it.

Remember the Rodney King cops who were tried in double jeopardy?

The mob rules even against the rules. Maybe we need anarchy first....actually it may be the only way, such a tremendous waste of time and blood, when will we control our greed? Greed is behind all of this, and religion was the counterbalance, can we ever evolve beyond this?

Maybe that's the meaning of our life, to answer that question, how long until we evolve from muck in the dirt to gods who create the big science projects?

I think we will have to have longer lifespans to go much further, but the planet is only so big, so that means culling the heard, weeding out the stray cats who don't evolve, I bet the Chinese will be able to make the hard choices we couldn't, and they do live longer........
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I just won't vote for anyone this time and seeing how the world is going, anytime soon.

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Hap, don't let someone else's prediction of doom and gloom put you off you constitutional right to vote. You can't complain about the results if you don't take the time to vote. And this being your very first presidential election, I would think you would want to vote. I'm not happy with the choices we have this time, but they really aren't as bad as conservatives would have you believe. I was disappointed when Clinton switched to a more conservative direction in his second term and Obama has allowed some of the policies of Bush to remain, but there is always hope. I can't say that this Clinton will absolutely be the horrible choice conservatives would have you believe. And, there are the state elections that are probably more important to you than the general election will be. Also, I think the Heller decision of the SCOTUS was wrong and should be revisited. No one is going to lose their guns, but there are a large number of people who don't think that allowing everyone to carry concealed weapons anywhere they wish is a good thing.
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I bet the families of the 49 dead victims at the Pulse nightclub wish the bar tender was armed, maybe if there was a finger key code secured weapon at each end of the bar?

I don't think that people who can't trust others with their 2nd Amendment right should operate dangerous machinery just feet from our children who walk on sidewalks, these people obviously feel that people can turn deadly killer in an instant and that fear may well stem from within, so these people who don't trust us with our permits I don't trust with a drivers license and a deadly powerful machine because they think the object makes the killer and that is their thinking, not mine, chances are they are much more prone to an insane act as they think it's so easily possible by virtue of being in control of an instrument, these people should not be driving deadly powerful cars.

Actually what I think or what you think is not the issue.

Driving a car is a privilege not a right.

Keeping and bearing arms is a right and I will find no citizen guilty of an unconstitutional infringement, for any such a law that is written to circumvent our Constitutional right is invalid.

So I have to renew my drivers license every 10 years, but I have to renew my carry permit every 5 years, I should not have to have a carry permit and for a while my State had Constitutional open carry, but some people felt uneasy seeing people open carry and even now with a permit cops will tell you that they prefer you to carry concealed as to not alarm delicate simple minded fools who think a car makes a killer.

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It doesn't say anywhere in the second amendment that you have a right to carry a concealed weapon, no matter how much you want it to. And, yes. Everyone in a bar should be armed. That's a wonderful idea. Drunks are always on their best behavior. But, it's not up to you or me. This will be reviewed by a new SCOTUS.
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Stupidity causes pain and suffering and gun free zones just like States with the tightest gun control have the most dead victims, congrats on getting it wrong, god willing you and yours wont have to pay the price for your ignorance, but you should still feel guilt for those who do have to needlessly die.

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@Ears & Eggs - In theory, yes, in practice, no. In order for a decision to be revisited, a new case has to make it's way all the way up to the supreme court, to be ruled on. The thing is, a new case would never make it there because lower circuits will rule, deferring to previous judgements as precedents.

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Are you talking about upholding the patriot act?

Have you read all of Obamacare?

I think we should repeal both.
I was talking about the fact that there's this very dumb notion that republicans and conservative judges would protect people's rights.

Historically exactly the opposite has been true.
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Trump is change.

Clintons again, that's not the needed change.

Big trouble ahead, without a shadow of a doubt, no matter what we are headed for big trouble, Barry has done so much that we will see the effects from for longer than I will live.

Sadly we don't have a good answer, just the Clintons again or a change.
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Look I don't like him either, but enough with Barry crap? The republicans are the ones who championed deregulation, who pushed it through, and who started war after war, and Trump the republican is supposed to be champion? Trump who is a GOOD friend of the Clintons? Trump who was formerly a democrat.

He is not change, he is deception. As is Shillary. Sanders was the only candidate that was truly anti establishment. Now we're screwed either way, and if Trump gets to be in office we'll be an international laughing stock, more so than we already are.
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Look I don't like him either, but enough with Barry crap? The republicans are the ones who championed deregulation, who pushed it through, and who started war after war, and Trump the republican is supposed to be champion? Trump who is a GOOD friend of the Clintons? Trump who was formerly a democrat.

He is not change, he is deception. As is Shillary. Sanders was the only candidate that was truly anti establishment. Now we're screwed either way, and if Trump gets to be in office we'll be an international laughing stock, more so than we already are.
Were you watching the primaries? The GOP tried everything in their power to stop Trump. In the beginning they tried to push Jeb, and at the end they were trying to push Cruz. Trump is the last thing the establishment wants.
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@Ears & Eggs - In theory, yes, in practice, no. In order for a decision to be revisited, a new case has to make it's way all the way up to the supreme court, to be ruled on. The thing is, a new case would never make it there because lower circuits will rule, deferring to previous judgements as precedents.
Actually, it only needs a suit in federal court and a ruling the plaintiff or anyone doesn't like and a request to be heard by the SC. If a majority wants to revisit it, it will happen. It won't happen overnight, but I believe it will happen. If you follow the history of the courts rulings on the 2nd amendment, going back to the 19th century to the past 8 years, there has been no ruling to uphold the ridiculous ruling in 2008 on Heller. The vast majority of precedence on the second amendment is not what we've had for the past eight years, And, it shouldn't be. I've seen enough of these NRA and similar video propaganda to make anyone sick, but it is just their opinions and in reality is meaningless. The court has been off balance since the last Bush appointments. It has been a short time and when revisited may very well be rebalanced again.
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