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Old 06-28-2016, 04:42 PM #705
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I bet Bill cant wait to get back in the white house and reminisce. And maybe one for old times sake.
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In fiscal year 2011, the United States handed out about $49 billion in military and economic aid all told. Egypt got about $1.5 billion — the fourth-largest recipient after Israel ($3 billion), Iraq ($2.1 billion), and Pakistan ($1.7 billion).Jul 9, 2013
It isn't AS bad as that, but it's still pretty bad.
Thank you for the correction. I googled us aid to Egypt and just read the first link. Im glad to hear I was wrong. Im not against aid to other nations but we have serious problems at home that could use that money more. I did see that in 2007 GW gave israel 30 billion. Thats a lot of money.
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Thank you for the correction. I googled us aid to Egypt and just read the first link. Im glad to hear I was wrong. Im not against aid to other nations but we have serious problems at home that could use that money more. I did see that in 2007 GW gave israel 30 billion. Thats a lot of money.
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That being said I don't think I'll be voting this election cycle, which sucks as it's my first time I'd be allowed to vote! I certainly won't be voting for Trump and if need be would rather vote for Hillary to avoid a Trump presidency as that would ruin us IMHO. I don't know what I'll do yet but it sucks what we have to pick from

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California always votes democrat, but Hillary, I would like to think even California voters can see she is pure evil and will backstab everyone on everything.

Hillary is the rich status quo political access broker who cares about nobody but herself, you can't believe anything she says at all.

My god, her smug above the law elitist demeanor knowing Barry is complicit and controls the justice dept. is sickening.

Did you see how Barry held his nose when he endorsed Hillary, he knows she will not keep any promise to even him.

Just how do you think that Trump is worse? Did he say something politically incorrect? Did his tv show where he said YOUR FIRED to people make you uncomfortable?

If you had to be stuck on a desert island with either Trump or Hillary who do you think would kill you in your sleep and roast you over the fire for dinner?

Do you seriously think that Hillary won't erode our freedom and Trump will?
That is quite the opposite I hope you know, Hillary is going to hurt everyone and hurt America for her own greed and control, much more than Trump ever would. She has a history of lying and hurting people, what did Trump do? Did he say something insensitive?
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That being said I don't think I'll be voting this election cycle, which sucks as it's my first time I'd be allowed to vote! I certainly won't be voting for Trump and if need be would rather vote for Hillary to avoid a Trump presidency as that would ruin us IMHO. I don't know what I'll do yet but it sucks what we have to pick from

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Hap, you are not alone in your opinions. I. too, would vote for Hilary to make sure Trump was not elected and that is a very honest place to find yourself in. Razako is right in that there are other factors besides the presidential election to be concerned about. California sometimes has strange local politics. Governors Reagan and Arnold Swartz come to mind. Also, your local representatives and senators are also important as they have more effect on local politics than the president has.
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That being said I don't think I'll be voting this election cycle, which sucks as it's my first time I'd be allowed to vote! I certainly won't be voting for Trump and if need be would rather vote for Hillary to avoid a Trump presidency as that would ruin us IMHO. I don't know what I'll do yet but it sucks what we have to pick from

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I would have to agree with you, Hillary rather than Trump, even though id rather have someone else. I think a lot of this hate for Hillary is just manufactured to get more votes to others. In the past there was never a single thing people could say they hated her for, but nowadays they pick apart everything she does, just like they did (and still do) with Obama. Politicians, especially the higher up ones, always get shit from people who dont support them, and i dont think they deserve it most of the time. Im not just talking about democratic politicians, this happens to republican politicians too. im very moderate, i dont want anyone here thinking of me as "a damn liberal" or a "republican wingnut" becuase i am neither. I support Hillary simply because shes the best option available. I would take any republican in the past two elections over her. In fact i WISH John McCain would run again and become president but its too late (as long as he didnt pick sarah palin again... i think we can all agree that we dont like her right?).
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I have yet to see any actual evidence of Trump being racist. Every time I ask the question I either get something along the lines of "Are you kidding me?!" or get linked to MTV.

I don't follow these things too closely, but right now the whole "Trump's a racist" claim seems like media-fabricated BS.
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It's just an easy excuse for people who think Hillary will support more social programs than Trump, the truth is she is going to use it all to seize more control and barter the citizens freedom for perceived security.

Trump will support the needy with social programs just as well as Hillary if not better but without insisting they switch to all electronic currency, chip implants and invasion of every aspect of daily life, can't people see that Hillary is a self serving liar who wants to control everything, can't people see they will be worse off in the first 4 years and have less freedom?

If jobs keep moving overseas as well as business then we will have socialism and that's not going to be a better standard of living for anyone, it will be worse, but some people can't see that far ahead and will use the easy excuse that Trump is a meanie, what about that evil witch, do people really think she gives a dam about anyone but herself, this election will decide if we have a fighting chance or if we descend into a socialist state run everything and that means a lesser quality of life for everyone.

Hillary voters hate the wrong rich people, it's the power brokers in Washington who are the bad rich people and Hillary will be the queen, people will be better off with a strong America, everyone will have a better quality of life, but under socialism we live like people in Russia did.....BTW they are moving away from socialism.....why do you think that is?

p.s. I am a poor person myself, but before you bite at the carrot the woman is waiving in front of your face you should look at what's in her other hand.....it's a whip and it's for you.......and the carrot gets pulled away too.

Rebuild America and we all live better or bite at the easy carrot and become slaves in a declining economy that can't sustain it's self, so who is going to get less after the government cleans out the wealthy business men?
It's like asking who is going to go hungry after we chop down the apple trees and divide up the apples, only the masses won't get the apples anyway and once the trees are gone we all work for the in debt government, Hillary is short sighted slavery for us all.

Don't bother with the pie chart that shows the top few percent owning half of the wealth because that's where the jobs come from, government is not creating jobs unless they enable big business, chop down those apple trees now and suffer for a long time once there gone.

Did you Hillary voters not see the ism cartoon from long ago? This idea is not new and it's not good for a free people, it's out demise.

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RedCowboy: I could not agree with you more. This is exactly how I feel. I have a very good friend who wants to vote for Hillary simply because Bernie isn't in it anymore. He thinks Trump is some horrible person. He thinks because Trump donated money to Hillary in the past that somehow that is worse than being manipulated by money that he IS the manipulator. NO he used a broken system to his advantage. He isn't the corrupt one, SHE TOOK THE MONEY. That is his ONLY argument. I've repeatedly asked him to link video of Trump doing all these things he is accused of or has supposedly said. He couldn't find one that wasn't clearly edited or taken out of context. To the contrary I linked to many videos where Clinton has lied, double backed, or contradicted herself. I've linked to the clear racist Hillary is by pointing out her Goldwater affiliation. I've pointed out how she has NOT helped Women. I've pointed out her feelings on abortion (no rights until it pops out). I've pointed out how she is against homo***uality with video proof of words out of her own mouth. Yet I still cannot seem to convince him. The problem is how "They" have brainwashed the sheeple. They "think" because the media tells them something that it is gold, then without doing any self research the supporters repeat the garbage information over and over and over and over untill it is taken as fact. They are making their own reality and living in it. It makes me sick.


Let me add that I am not "Right Wing" I'm not a Liberal. I am Con-Hillary. I would have supported Bernie... I'm not a liberal though either... He just had halfway decent plans and wasn't batshart crazy (except the whole minimum wage issue).

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Hillary is the rich status quo political access broker who cares about nobody but herself, you can't believe anything she says at all.

My god, her smug above the law elitist demeanor knowing Barry is complicit and controls the justice dept. is sickening.

Did you see how Barry held his nose when he endorsed Hillary, he knows she will not keep any promise to even him.

Just how do you think that Trump is worse? Did he say something politically incorrect? Did his tv show where he said YOUR FIRED to people make you uncomfortable?

If you had to be stuck on a desert island with either Trump or Hillary who do you think would kill you in your sleep and roast you over the fire for dinner?

Do you seriously think that Hillary won't erode our freedom and Trump will?
That is quite the opposite I hope you know, Hillary is going to hurt everyone and hurt America for her own greed and control, much more than Trump ever would. She has a history of lying and hurting people, what did Trump do? Did he say something insensitive?
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Yes, ignorant people who want the government to steal from the rich and give to them also want to believe they are safe from the government thieves, it's very short sighted and any lie they can cling to will do rather than taking the time to learn the facts and why it won't work.

When very young Americans educate themselves with the facts rather than blindly and ignorantly regurgitating the lies of the prostitute scribes at cnn, they understand.

Hillary will lie and the media will spin lies that the simple people who say they want to love but really they hate, they hate those who work hard, they hate those who have more, they hate what their 2 minute attention span can't grasp.

People need to look at all the facts, don't just accept the lies, because when questioned if your answer is " because they said so " is your answer then you are ignorant, and stupid for remaining ignorant.

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I certainly understand where you guys are coming from, but it is naive to think that Trump is not a manipulative lying bastard too.

Further if you can't find anything bad about him, you also have blinders on, because a few things have even been brought up in this very thread.

No one wants either of them, but it is a gamble to say who would be worse, and keep in mind they are actually friends. As are most of the elite.
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When you tax and regulate big business so much that it runs to an offshore home you kill American jobs and export American economic power, this also empowers big government as people become dependent on an in debt system.

At least Trump understands economics and can make America profitable and that means jobs and people with a future, not just a slow decline into slavery.

What was our national debt when Barry was sworn in almost 8 years ago? What is it now? Do you see a pattern?
We did not even have a budget for years, something required by law.
Hillary has watched Barry push the limits and if you love Freedom you should NOT love Hillary because she will make herself the winner first and we all come 2nd, Trump has a better chance to help us all and not by scraping and selling off all we have left but by investing in the future.



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Who said anything here, on a single post about loving Hillary? Seriously, you're letting your hate of her cloud your judgement.

And Obama did come to office after EIGHT years of Bush, who himself took office with a surplus, and a healthy economy. An argument could well be made that what was done under Obama allowed the economy to limp along, as opposed to crash completely, as it would have under Bush.

Trump... his record is far from stellar. What he does he does for himself and his ego. Same as Hillary. In fact, though it will never be possible to confirm, it is likely he ran to hand her the presidency. Only thing is, no one expected him to go as far as he has.
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Further if you can't find anything bad about him, you also have blinders on, because a few things have even been brought up in this very thread.
Again, I haven't been following this discussion too closely, so I'm not sure what exactly you're referring to.

I wasn't saying I couldn't find anything bad about Trump though. I'd either have to be incapable of using a computer or be living under a rock to not hear any anti-Trump rhetoric these days. Half of the internet is against the guy - and is very vocal about it. Hell, there's even evidence that Google has been manipulating search results to be more "pro-Hillary" and "anti-Trump"[1]. However, the reason I brought this up is because the vast majority of "anti-Trump" arguments don't seem to hold any merit; especially the "racist" claim. They are either opinionated [2], irrelevant [3], or unsourced [4]. Now of course I may be subconsciously cherry-picking articles here, but I jumped back into the discussion because I wanted examples, specifically of Trump being "racist". I would like to keep an open mind about this.

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[1] - http://thefederalist.com/2016/06/10/is-google-manipulating-search-results-to-help-hillary-clinton
[2] - Reasons Donald Trump Should Not Be President
[3] - http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/04/us...americans.html
[4] - A President Trump would be dangerous, but not for the reason you think | Washington Examiner
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