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If he were so inclined, Sanders could run third party, and destroy Hillary, but that would effectively hand the white house over to Trump.

I'll believe it when I see it. Don't get me wrong, it's the outcome I'd prefer, but it looks like there's a snowballs chance in hell of it happening. Even if $Hillary "We're looking into it" Clinton gets indicted I don't see it happening.


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I don't know that Sanders could win Vs Hillary as an independent (although there are many that have argued he would have beaten her if independents were allowed to vote in the primaries) but imo, it's a certainty he would take away from her base, and damage her chances beyond repair, if he did run.

He won't though. He dislikes Trump (this is based on what he's said in interviews) more than he dislikes $hitlary.
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This is probably true, but if he does not run in the end then what matters is whether his supporters will reject Hillary in larger numbers than the Never Trump crowd will reject Trump. The "indite Hillary", rally riots and voter fraud are separate, but not inconsequential issues.
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He won't run. That is unless he does a complete 180 from his previous position where he said he would not run. To be fair, at the time he never expected to get anywhere near as far as he as.

There is also the other position from both sides, the Trump is too unpredictable one. Where people absolutely abhor both, but at least know, more or less, that with Shillary things will stay pretty much the same.
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Snowden should have a presidential pardon and award.

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People who speak about voter fraud are the same ones that try to keep minorities from voting because they will not vote republican. In most, if not all, southern states once a person has been convicted of a felony they take their voting rights away and a disproportionate number of the people convicted in the south are black. However there are many states in the east and west that don't do this. Once a felon has completed their probation or parole, their voting rights are restored. This has been a thinly veiled attempt by these states to keep people who should have the right to vote in a permanent situation of having to pay for a crime that they have already paid for once. It used to be "Jim Crow". When Johnson, acting on the agenda of Kennedy, got the voter's rights act into law he said that this would change the demographic of the south from a majority Democratic population to a majority Republican majority for at least a generation. Unfortunately, he was off by a few generations. There are those who still try to mitigate the effect of losing the civil war to this day.
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Our whole criminal justice system is broken, and favors the state actors far too much.

Guy steals car / sells drugs / beats someone. The actual victim rarely if ever experiences restitution.

Meanwhile the state acts to punish the offender, which most people completely agree with, BUT the punishment never truly ends. Background checks are now quick, and cheap, and immediately cause anyone convicted of pretty much anything, to automatically be disqualified.

Once people serve their time, IMO, unless the crime is in direct relation to work (child *** offender applying to work with kids) their slate should be wiped clean.

What also absolutely drives me crazy about our "justice" system is how much it punishes the innocent. Dad goes to jail for selling weed... what happens to the kids? Oh right, mom is left alone to try to care for them. It's the perfect recipe for a never ending cycle, and while I do believe that crimes should be punished, I believe that the well being of the innocent should take precedence. Unfortunately that is not the case.
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And of course, right before the election.
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Who will this favor? Hillary with her anti-gun platform, or Trump with his "keep the muslims out" platform?
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Who will this favor? Hillary with her anti-gun platform, or Trump with his "keep the muslims out" platform?
Probably both except this muslim was born an American.
The FBI F'd up big time here. When a person buys a firearm its the FBI that does the background check. The shooter was on the FBI's terrorist watch list! Not only was he cleared to purchase a firearm, in which the background check is pretty simple, but this man had a concealed lisc to carry in which the background check is much more thorough. How inept is an agency that doesn't even cross reference their own watch list's with their own background checks to grant concealed weapons permits. Pathetic.

I am for the right to bear arms and in this sad incident a couple of concealed handguns in that club may have saved some lives. Maybe not. But I am also for more thorough background checks and stricter standards of the sales of fire arms as this colossal FBI failure shows why.
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Here's an inconvenient truth for you.

The killer using a rifle and a pistol meant 50 dead with the delayed police response, also the Killer died.

As crowded as that dance club was and with chained exit doors, he could easily have killed more with a box truck ANFO bomb, look at this building, he could have killed near everyone there with a truck bomb.

1 man with a rifle was not the worst case scenario, these jihad fools want to die for Allah, if not he could have killed many more and gotten away.

I am glad he did not, I'm just saying his using a gun meant less dead than a truck bomb.

A truck bomb could have killed most everyone there, 90%.

The last 2 pics are where the police used their bearcat to break into the back.

That place was a trap, only the front was unlocked, a box truck bomb out front would have killed more, so stop blaming the guns, the guns likely meant less dead, sorry but it's true.







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...In most, if not all, southern states once a person has been convicted of a felony they take their voting rights away...
Taking away some ones voting rights due to being convicted of a felony crime is taxation without representation, I see no reason to remove voting rights for such. If someone is punished for a crime and pay the penalty, they are considered to have the debt paid, then why continue to take away voting rights? If the law is to make sense this shouldn't be. My perspective is laws aren't always just, far too often unjust.

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@RC - Thanks for sharing those pictures. That place was definitely a deathtrap to begin with. I assume the chained doors leaving only one exit was the result of a management decision which is just retarded. There have been many fire related incidents which resulted in extreme loss of life because all but one exist was left open.

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