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Old 06-06-2016, 02:23 AM #641
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I would rather see Sanders as the Democratic nominee, but it probably isn't going to happen. I voted for him in the Washington Primary that Hilary won. Trump has the worst case of foot in mouth disease I've ever seen from a presidential hopeful, and I remember when Eisenhower was president. He has literally alienated everyone except for less educated white males. That maybe enough to get him the Republican nod, but it won't get him elected. But, everyone deserves to dream. Enjoy it while it lasts.


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Here's the thing. I have yet to find ONE person among friends and acquaintances that actually wants Hillary as the democratic nominee. Mind you in my personal and professional life I may be somewhat isolated, but from literally ~300-500 if I had to guess people, no one actually likes her.

The 2 reasons I have heard repeatedly, and far more the latter, are that she is a woman, end of story, and the second, that she is a well known factor. For the most part she will continue things as they have been under Obama. That's it.

The #1 argument I've heard against Sanders is that he will raise taxes. That may well be true, but he has been extremely vocal, and consistent on what he wants to do, and that is going after BIG businesses, and really the top .1% and higher that do take advantage of our current tax laws.

This election is most certainly going to be a shit show, with literally the most disliked candidates ever with Shillary, and Trump facing each other. The absolutely scary thing is, Trump is far more personally likeable.
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I think you might be right in you are isolated in the people you know. There are plenty of women who like Hilary and there are all the minorities that Trump has alienated. I believe that there are a lot of people who don't necessarily care for Hilary, but will vote for her before they allow Trump to be the next president. I count myself as one of those. She still has a huge following, don't kid yourself. I agree that this election will be one of the shittiest ones I have even seen. And I've seen many.
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That's just it, people will vote for her to keep Trump out of the white house, but not because they like her. I did mention the "because she is a woman" segment. Definitely not dismissing it, though I do dislike it.
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I heard you when you said "because she's a woman", and is why I said I thought you were isolated in the people you know. If I had my dream person to run for president it would be, without a doubt, Elizabeth Warren. But, she said she wouldn't run a long time ago, so that is out. This is going to be the election of the lesser of two evils. By that I mean, whatever the majority of the voting public believes is the lesser, not just the people who you and I know.
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So, what? Where is your sense of proportion? She is an incompetent crook. He has a loud mouth.

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But, the result is they will get her in the White House (again). You might not like Trump and you might feel good that you did not vote for him, but the result is... She is in the White House.

I'm sure some people who read this will disagree with me, but I think much of the rhetoric, and I am talking about in this thread as well, is dishonest. The real reason a candidate is supported or opposed is for basic interests that the voter/writer/reporter/poster is unwilling to admit. For example, many women will be voting for Hillary ONLY because she is a woman. This bigoted position comes across as shallow, even juvenile and so these women report they find Trump's "tone" disturbing.

You know what I'm talking about. When the reasoning seems lame or the justification sounds like an excuse then looking a little deeper for the motivation will probably pay off.
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$6 Billion Went Missing From Hillary Clinton's State Department...Where Did The Money Go?

The State Department misplaced and lost some $6 billion due to the improper filing of contracts, mainly during the tenure of former Secretary of State Hilary Clinton.

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You make a lot of assumptions in your arguments. That women will only vote for Hilary out of a "bigoted" sense of feminine loyalty and that they are "juvenile" in that they couldn't support her for reasons that escape you. The name calling is getting ridiculous. I haven't stooped to say we will have a Donald Dump on our country, but it is catchy and short derogatory phrases feel good and make the author feel somehow superior, while he only pisses off the people who have genuine reasons for their support.
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You have misquoted me. The word "many" is very important and you leave it out. Those who vote for her "ONLY" because she is a woman are bigoted and juvenile. If they have other reasons that "escape me" then they are not voting for her "ONLY" because she is a woman.

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You think so? It sounds kinda "juvanile" to me. Good thing you didn't say it.

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True, so like I said, good thing you didn't say it.

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This is so true. We know what she is and even those that support her for president can't feel comfortable about her. So, what does she really represent?
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You think so? It sounds kinda "juvanile" (sic) to me. Good thing you didn't say it.



True, so like I said, good thing you didn't say it.



It was tongue in cheek sarcasm. I'm pleased you got it. Twice.
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She talks out both sides of her mouth, but some people hear only what they want to, or they want the biggest handout, but most don't like her, they like Bernie because they don't trust Hillary to make good on the handouts.

Trump should not drive away the Bernie voters, he should focus on how to attract them, and that's as simple as tearing Hillary down for her record and not acting too petty about the personal things that bother him.
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Ya, we all got it. You were just trying to make a point and it came out wrong. Don't worry about it.

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This too, is so true. Both these outsiders have one huge thing in common...they're outsiders. They each attract a lot of support that can go either way. I wish Trump had not, in the end, declined to debate Sanders. I believe Sanders would have won (maybe why Trump declined, who knows), but the result would have cut Hillary out of the spotlight and made her seem irrelevant. It would have destroyed her momentum, because the media would have been unable to stay away from that event and all of the process that lead up to it and the fall out.
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So we've come down to an impulsive megalomaniac billionaire Vs a thoroughly corrupt career politician. Two of the most hated candidates in recent memory running against each other. Is this seriously the best America has to offer? If there was ever a time for a legit 3rd party run, this is it.
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This election has shown, beyond any doubt that the system is very very broken. I would say more so on the democrats side vs republicans at this point, as at least there, the nominee, is at least the will of the people.

If he were so inclined, Sanders could run third party, and destroy Hillary, but that would effectively hand the white house over to Trump.
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