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Old 11-07-2015, 06:19 PM #49
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Trump is my vote, I don't care if he says stupid things, I think he will make some needed changes.


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I don't think our taxes are that high. It depends on where you live. Most of the vehicle registration taxes go to school systems here. The school systems AND roads suck. Sales tax in Germany is 19%. The highest I've heard of in the US is 10% which is about half of what it is in Germany.
Our SALES tax is not high. Consider how many other ways revenue is being extracted from you though.

Federal income tax, state income tax, property taxes, estate taxes, and fees on EVERYTHING. Look at your cellphone bill lately? On average about 20% of it is "taxes & fees".

@FutureOne - The canadian system is not perfect. Neither is the UK one, or any other I'm familiar with.

The issue as I see it though, is that on the lower end of the income scales, in the US, you wouldn't have ANY option to seek treatment, because you probably wouldn't have been able to afford it. Not without forking over $20,000-$50,000 right away. Most people don't have that kind of disposable income. If even you did it anyway, and figured out how to pay for it later, odds are the debt would also haunt you for years, if not decades.

While hospitals will generally treat everyone that comes in, they will only provide treatment to stabilize the immediate problem, not provide a long term solution unless you have insurance or money to cover it.

For every situation like yours there are hundreds of others where people have no choice but to literally chose to lose their limbs, or forego treatment altogether because it's too expensive.

On the flip side of things, if you're able to afford to pay for healthcare privately, but waited for the state to pick up the tab, and are unhappy with the results because of the delay... you have only yourself to blame. Sorry to be so blunt.

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Let's not forget while this is going on, we have senators that literally stick around for life until retirement, Congress as a whole with approval ratings usually under 10%, and judges on the supreme court, appointed for life, so far out of touch with reality that email is a goshdarnitnewfangledthingmagig.
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It's a shame we have not put more of our efforts and resources into extending the human lifespan and extending the quality of life for everyone as we age.

So much more could have been done with resources that our elected officials have squandered and flat out wasted not to mention stolen.

Pet projects and kickbacks for campaign contributors and just mismanagement.

Arming one rebel group and then the other, my god when I think of the wounded soldiers and the heartbroken families of soldiers who paid in blood for the liberation of Iraq, just to see Obama throw it all away...it boarders on treason, and how do we know that we are not arming the bad guys right now?

We sure are making it easy for Iran to become a nuclear power, and we are not even allowed to read the side deals, and just recently Obama waived the inspections and allows Iran to do their own....is this some kind of twilight zone nightmare.

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Just google Obama voter fraud and read about actual people who have been convicted in proven voter fraud, I watched one woman say on the news she voted twice, she said we all did.

Do our votes even count? Are these electronic voting machines trustworthy?

If Hillary gets elected I won't believe it, people know faces, we see faces everyday in our lives and anyone can look at Hillary and see what a nasty, conniving, narcissistic, villain she is.

She belongs in prison, any of us would be in prison if we admittedly destroyed evidence we were ordered to produce. Hell she lost 6 BILLION dollars in her State Department.

I don't trust government at all, I think we are watching a puppet show while being told what to do and what we must pay.


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It's a shame we have not put more of our efforts and resources into extending the human lifespan and extending the quality of life for everyone as we age.

So much more could have been done with resources that our elected officials have squandered and flat out wasted not to mention stolen.

Pet projects and kickbacks for campaign contributors and just mismanagement.

Arming one rebel group and then the other, my god when I think of the wounded soldiers and the heartbroken families of soldiers who paid in blood for the liberation of Iraq, just to see Obama throw it all away...it boarders on treason, and how do we know that we are not arming the bad guys right now?

We sure are making it easy for Iran to become a nuclear power, and we are not even allowed to read the side deals, and just recently Obama waived the inspections and allows Iran to do their own....is this some kind of twilight zone nightmare.

Iran to Do Their Own Nuclear Inspections, Obama Administration Agrees! - Marine Patriot Blog


Just google Obama voter fraud and read about actual people who have been convicted in proven voter fraud, I watched one woman say on the news she voted twice, she said we all did.

Do our votes even count? Are these electronic voting machines trustworthy?

If Hillary gets elected I won't believe it, people know faces, we see faces everyday in our lives and anyone can look at Hillary and see what a nasty, conniving, narcissistic, villain she is.

She belongs in prison, any of us would be in prison if we admittedly destroyed evidence we were ordered to produce. Hell she lost 6 BILLION dollars in her State Department.

I don't trust government at all, I think we are watching a puppet show while being told what to do and what we must pay.


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I agree with almost all of that. One thing stands out though. Extending the human life. Unless we find a way to slow down aging, there is no point. The brain is the biggest hurdle. Almost everything in the body can be replaced except for that. Even then, we have problems with social security. Food supply is another problem. I have no desire to live over 100 or even 90. I wouldn't want to live that long even if I'm fully mobile and able to live alone and do things by myself. If a survey was done, most people would probably feel the same way.
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s an independent contractor I pay self emolument tax which is the worst tax bracket you can be in. Added all up, fed income, state, FICA, and SOCIAL security, I owe 44% on my hard earned income to taxes. It sucks beyond measure. The only saving grace from having to loose close to half my income is I deductions. If I wasn't able to write as much as I can I doubt I would still an a tattooist. I work way to hard, the job is too stressful at times and wreck your body. No way I would do this career for 35K a year take home.

This is why I feel so strongly about not having free healthcare. I pay so micunmore than even entire major corporations do. One year our electric company PGE, PROFITTED IN RHE HUNDREDS OF MILLIONS and little ole me payed more taxes than they did. Taxes in this country massive favor big buisness and treat every self employed person the same. Talk to 44% of say my 80K a year is very different from a self employed individual making a half million. Nobody likes paying taxes but I need that money to feed and cloth my family much more than a person warning 5 X what I Mae but we're all treated the same.

I do feel the insanity wealthy top 3 % should pay more taxes than a person barely making a living wage.

about socialized health care. That's pretty disappointing to know how long you had to wait for surgery. I don't think private medical care is necessary signifantky better just that socialized health care is understaffed and in greater demand. But.... It's still better than no health coverage IMO
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I agree with almost all of that. One thing stands out though. Extending the human life. Unless we find a way to slow down aging, there is no point. The brain is the biggest hurdle. Almost everything in the body can be replaced except for that. Even then, we have problems with social security. Food supply is another problem. I have no desire to live over 100 or even 90. I wouldn't want to live that long even if I'm fully mobile and able to live alone and do things by myself. If a survey was done, most people would probably feel the same way.
If they could transfer my brain or my consciousness into a fully artificial body I might be willing to give it a try. Am not sure I would want to look like an 800lb Cylon or even like a Star Trek Borg, but I think the technology will come sooner or later. At first this will only be available for the most important of the global elite and then for the military, yes we may one day have Cylons and Terminators fighting our wars, we may have big problems when that happens. We may need Sarah Connor for president in 2040.

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jesus, i really think that they're all idiots, there are some republicans who aren't bad (i'm a democrat BTW) but the democrats are idiots, the republicans are idiots. and fuck donald... are you guys serious? he sounds just like hitler: blaming the country's problems on one group of people, and saying he will make america great again.
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Said it before, will say it again.

Trump is only running to divide up the republicans, and make sure Hillary wins.

I mean I'm sure there is also quite a bit of egomania on his part involved as well, but for practical purposes, that's the only reason he's running.
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I doubt Trump would ever volunteer to fail in order for someone else to succeed.
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He isn't failing... becoming president is not his goal.
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I don't think he would fail on the face of it for someone else to win the election, maybe I should have worded it differently. I don't believe he could possibly have a goal like that, that he would entertain it for a microsecond. Trump has too much ego and too much money to need to do that, why support someone who is corrupt several layers down, possibly to her core? Speaking of Killery, I had a very bad dream last night, I dreamed she was talking to me and I was loving every moment of it! Damn! Her and Obama are more than just symbols of what is wrong in America and I have a dream like that! Pfft! She and he must have made a deal with the devil to have gotten where they are today.
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Said it before, will say it again.

Trump is only running to divide up the republicans, and make sure Hillary wins.

I mean I'm sure there is also quite a bit of egomania on his part involved as well, but for practical purposes, that's the only reason he's running.
And what makes you say that?
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He is woefully under qualified, and has a lousy business track record. He is extremely polarizing as well.

He knows that were he to be elected he would get nothing done. He also knows that his stance is too extreme, just as Palin was too far off.

The reason he is running is to take away votes from any other republican contender. Should by some miracle he actually become the republican front runner, he also definitely does not have enough mainstream support. What he does do, is effectively sideline the republican party, so his good friend the Clintons are back in the white house.
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