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Old 05-06-2016, 02:35 AM #577
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Razako,

No significant disagreement here. However, I don't know if the Chinese prison population (the ones not just executed) is reliably known. I also do not dislike the majority of police, but I think the reality "out there" created by the government's interference with our rights of association and speech and border security...etc,etc have lead to a lot of the tension and distrust between law abiding (way, way too many laws as well) and the cops.

But, now the question, what do we ACTUALLY do about it? No whining. No wishful thinking. No silly "lets just nuke the politicians".


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Here's my idea for a movie called What if playing early 2017.

What if this fall our worn out military who's running on spare parts is deployed to the middle east and a homeland security force is assembled to protect us here.

Rigged electronic voting machines confirm a very unpopular woman potus with a carefully hand picked vice.

Early 2017 citizens enraged by sweeping new executive orders take to the streets and that bastard army of homeland defenders must act to protect us from ourselves.

Even Governors and police department must be secured to bring about a cease to the growing civil disobedience.

Prostitute scribes of the state owned media are told to broadcast that the citizens have won but internet uploads fail and much alternative internet media is scrubbed by a dedicated army of Chinese hackers running 24/7 on an industrial scale, also cellphones and utilities fail bringing about the need for temporary curfews and travel restrictions, food and water is distributed at repurposed Walmart centers where all residents are required to register by area on given days while homes are checked for contraband.

Yes the emergency powers and already standing executive orders to control all infrastructure, utilities, distribution of food, water, medicine and even the assembly of manpower and use of roadways are already standing right now today May 13th 2016.

All that's need is a national emergency, and no matter who wins the White House I expect the pot of civil unrest will be stirred.

This is just a concept of a fictitious scenario, a movie concept. But the Emergency powers executive orders are standing right now.

btw Hillary already said that she would be proud to put Barry on the Supreme court, so don't expect our constitution or bill of rights to count for anything in court. No expect that all non complaints will be incrassated and forget about free speech, internet will be like TV and Radio, you can watch and listen but not broadcast without a license and pre approval of all material. Again non complaints will be jailed.

Don't think so, HA this is the first thing that will be taken control of, as a matter of national security.

Did you really think Barry was just going to walk away before the job was finished? The justice dept owns Hillary and her vice will be picked for her, standing ready to step in if needed.

I don't know if 2017 is the year of the zombie apocalypse, but I was thinking maybe we should all play like it is and stand very ready.

Of course legislation will be passed in advance to deter citizens from flying around camera drones and uploading evidence of goings on.

BTW gun and ammo sales have been off the charts and most body armor is on 6 month back order.
Bottled water and potato flakes make a good long term emergency prep and what better time to buy a ham radio, just to listen.

Again this is just a movie concept, one of many possible screen plays, I wonder how ready most people would be if such a movie came to pass in reality?
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@RedCowboy - If it plays in 2018 would this movie be a documentary?
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Most likely things will decline/change against freedom slowly as they do, but an accelerated rate can be expected under Hillary, also I expect to see Chinese factory cities like was planned in upstate New York and they will be factory towns with Chinese residents and schools for their children, their own security, road and rail systems, ect.

In time they will grow in size and own the land, they will be paid to run our infrastructure and we will be dependent until it becomes cheaper to do for ourselves, that's where trouble could start, when we want to have our own self sufficient areas later on, but as even our leaders will sell us out,


There may be divided States where those who are able move to, they will co exist as long as there is mutual benefit, but the rest of the world will be served products and competition for us will not be on an even playing field, our own representatives, just like now, will screw us even when our competitors are among us.

Some rabble will be cleansed from time to time, we will stay out of the way and let the Chinese machines efficiently deal with it.


Face it, they play for the long run, they work harder and are smarter and deserve to win, and they will because they don't let their own howling stray cats riot in the streets and they don't work against themselves for the greed of few controlling individuals, they used to but it is their time to shine now, we can't even police our own criminals, we elect them, if Hillary gets in we are sold out and China is buying.

Trump is our only hope and even then we have work to do, and 4 to 8 years later we will have to stay at it, some hard decisions will have to be made and I don't know that we have the will, not in today's politically correct quagmire of self destructive greed and scandal, we have already created a bad situation, there may not be an easy fix, perhaps an extended co existence but our direction is still as an exporter of wealth, maybe Trump can turn the tide while there's a chance, but Hillary will sell us out and live quite well herself for her days.
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I agree with these thoughts, both the apocalyptic scenarios as well as the slower, but nonetheless similar downward spiral society is on. I also agree that no one here is suggesting any real response other than supporting Trump. But, that is a real response. So, who is going to defend the "I'm not going to vote, so there", or "there is no difference between Hillary and Trump", approach?

Sanders is not in the race unless she is indicted or the convention gets bloody. I would love that and then we can discuss Sanders, but unless that happens, It's Trump or Hillary, period. So, let's hear it, why should anyone that is not a ***ist or a crook or a looser support Hillary?

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Court Orders Man to Forfeit Nearly $20,000, Despite No Criminal Charges...

... and Prosecutors’ Attempt to Dismiss Case

The Arkansas Court of Appeals on Wednesday upheld the civil forfeiture of almost $20,000 taken from a man during a traffic stop, even though he was never charged with a crime and prosecutors had previously attempted to dismiss the case.

Back in July 2013, Guillermo Espinoza was travelling with his girlfriend to Texas, when they were pulled over by the Arkansas State Police. During the stop, a drug dog alerted to a computer bag. Inside, police found $19,894 in cash, which they promptly seized. No contraband was found during the stop.

Court Orders Man to Forfeit Nearly $20,000, Despite No Criminal Charges and Prosecutors? Attempt to Dismiss Case - Institute for Justice

http://opinions.aoc.arkansas.gov/Web...lectronic.aspx



Apparently it's now illegal to travel with cash in this free country. The police will have a dog look at it, and then take it without charging you with a crime.
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It's funny that the most vocal are the farthest right wing conservatives around. The civil forfeiture laws have been around for years and are nothing new. It was republican governments that brought us this fine way around criminal laws where the property is the criminal and people are forced to prove that this property is theirs through a legal defense at their own cost and the outcome is always at odds with the government's need for ready cash.
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It's no secret asset forfeiture, the war on drugs and the prison industry were the children of Republican policies. Nixon in particular is responsible for much in the way of the erosion of liberties, and it was bush that happily signed the patriot act.
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I read through this case and it is interesting. This is pretty clearly a bad decision that is based on the jurisdiction of the various courts and the timing of the appeal. There is a telling statement where the money is called "illicit cash" without any proof. The defendant's shoes could be called elicit with the same level of proof.

It is less a matter of left or right than a matter of an unanswerable, bloated bureaucracy. DO NOT TRUST YOUR GOVERNMENT. They are not here to hep you.

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Nixon started the war on drugs because it was the easiest way to criminalize the actions of his "enemies", the counterculture at the time. It has also become a way to lock up minorities with the crack vs. powder cocaine laws. Republicans have always been the "law and order" party even when the statistics were showing that crime was decreasing. States Rights has been the mantra for the people who wanted to mitigate the civil war and reconstruction.

Edit: These governments are all local and state, not federal, concerning the civil forfeiture laws.
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bernie sanders! its not free stuff, it's putting taxes where you need them, and i'd rather have 10000 lazy bums live off my taxes than let a single child go starving on the streets
Then why don't you donate money to support that child? It's as simple as that. Why force others to pay for the laziness of people that don't want to work?
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I know that everyone has their own pet peeve that taxes pay for that they don't want to see their tax money going for. That doesn't mean that anyone's idea of how their taxes should be used is any less legitimate than someone else's. Saying, " if you don't like it then you pay for it, or you can leave" is tantamount to saying " your ideas are spurious, or ridiculous because I disagree".
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Then why don't you donate money to support that child? It's as simple as that. Why force others to pay for the laziness of people that don't want to work?
Because some people take advantage of these services does not mean you are justified painting the entirety of those on welfare as lazy. Some people have absolutely zero empathy for others and would rather see children go hungry just so some don't get a handout. I will never understand the cold hearts of this society that judge everyone and everything from their vantage point. As if every persons upbringing, opportunities, and advantages are equal across the board.
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Because some people take advantage of these services does not mean you are justified painting the entirety of those on welfare as lazy. Some people have absolutely zero empathy for others and would rather see children go hungry just so some don't get a handout. I will never understand the cold hearts of this society that judge everyone and everything from their vantage point. As if every persons upbringing, opportunities, and advantages are equal across the board.
Most recent example of this was the ridiculous drive to have any aid recipients drugs tested.

In some states and counties this effort was undertaken.

The result? Millions spent to discover less than 2% tested positive, saving just thousands.

Another "funny" thing, the cities with the highest percentage of aid recipients are both white, and staunch republicans.
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