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Old 11-06-2015, 10:45 AM #33
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It's about to cost more.
I pay my chiropractor cash, he cuts me a great deal for cash.

He said he has an old man who comes in because he hurts his back lifting his invalid wife out of the tub.
He says he has to fill out a book worth of paperwork to collect a 25 dollar fee from medicare.
Most doctors hate Obamacare, they have had to hire people just to do the paperwork and many have quit, closed up shop and retired.
I wanted to see a neurologist, I waited a month to see a clinic chain neuro who was just a sleep study salesman.
Next I saw an ambulance chaser who was in the business of faking insurance claims, useless for me.

I did find a good doctor at Emory, he had a 1 year waiting list.

I'm in pain right now, no I'm not on disability, I refuse to give up, but I hurt a lot. Actually I'm off to see my chiro as soon as he's open this morning.

I was laying down in the back of a car with my head towards the passenger door about 25 years ago when someone ran the red light going way over the speed limit, the car struck the passenger side where my head was and compressed a vertebra in my back and bounced me off hard enough to break my leg on the other side, and I never break bones, I usually take a hell of a beating and never break anything, they said I should have died. The car was a Camaro and it was totaled, looked like someone tried to drive through it.

I thought it had slowly gotten better, but 25 years later I hurt every morning.

That bs about what doesn't kill you makes you stronger is not always true.



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DC is probably a lost cause anymore, I am looking forward to dumping the feds all together in the future, maybe not in my life time, but they have stolen too much from us and put us into too much debt to survive forever with the current system.
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We place blame in the wrong direction.

The president's power, according to the constitution, is in regard to foreign policy and checks and balances with the legislative branch. Domestic health care is not the president's prerogative.

Ultimately, in a democracy, governance is up to the people. Your representatives in congress are supposed to be representing you.

Here is where the problem lies. There is too much division between regions of the USA. Ever noticed how congress's approval rating is dismal, yet representatives keep getting re-elected? That's because your average Texan hates the policy agenda of the average Californian and vice-versa. So these people love their representatives, but hate the direction congress is going because of all of the other representatives.

When the country's founding fathers were in power, they set up a loose federal government that was compatible with the fact that people in Virginia wanted something vastly different from people in Massachusetts. They understood each other's differences, and while they did not agree on much, they did agree that they did not have to agree about everything in order to have a successful federal government. It was all very libertarian, as in, the states were free to do whatever they wanted as long as it didn't mess with the other states, or stomp all over the Bill of Rights (which was a contentious issue at that time, not all politicians back then wanted a Bill of Rights, not because they didn't like individual rights, but because they didn't like the idea of federal priority over state's rights).

Then the Civil War era put an end to all of that. If you think about it, the US was not really in operation as a federation until the late 1780s (I want to say 1789), so the Civil War era was the time when people who were babies during the framing era were dying of old age. The pattern of thought of what the USA was had shifted at its very roots. The republican mindset took over and now people in Massachusetts could tell people in Virginia what they could and could not do.

The same span of time from George Washington's presidency to the Civil War can take us from the Civil War to the Great Depression, when another upheaval in political thought came about. The nation shifted focus toward social programs. New taxes came to be, to support the now very expensive federal government as it became "big brother," who was there to help you out in time of need. The federal government grew bigger yet.

Now, 1790's to 1860's to 1930's, all 70 years removed from each other. What changed happened in the 2000's? The federal government grew its power again, by proving to us, through the Patriot Act, Obamacare, and other policies, that we do not know how to behave ourselves and need the federal government to watch over us, care for us, feed us, change our diapers, etc. It's really just all following the natural arc that was set into motion long ago, but no candidate is going to do anything but to serve this agenda of the federal government. After all, the federal government is in change of how much power the federal government has, so what do we expect to happen?

Is one candidate going to have a different agenda than any other? Well, maybe the details are all different, but at their core, they are all the same.
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@ bostjan, well said.
@ RedCowboy, sorry to hear about the car crash, chronic pain sucks :P
@ olympus mons, the prison system is a huge black hole that could so easily be shrunk down to 1/10 its size using one very simple thing, see the picture.
Only stipulation is they have to be 100% guilty without a doubt!!
If all the drug dealers, rapists, pedophiles, murderers, DWI/DUI that kill someone and white collar crime that rip off people for a large amount of money were beheaded within 2 or 3 days of being caught and proven guilty. Not 10 or 12 years. That alone would save this country billions of dollars and eliminate a massive amount of suffering for the innocent, law abiding people. Those billions then could be used for housing, rehab, mental health facilities and so on.
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Also @redcowboy, why do you think socialized systems are so bad? Have you been to Germany, Ntherlands, UK, Canada? Their services are incredible. I don't understand why so many people bash these systems that are shown to work well. Seems like too many Fox News believers that believe the lies about these health care systems in other countries. Most people have never seen them or visited these places to know how good they have it and how insane it is we don't. I'm not trying to argue just truly curious why socialism is such a 4 letter word. I think privatization of things like hospitals, prisons, water and electrical companies are not what's best for a country. Just my opinion. Esp epically prisons. Worst idea ever and cause huge amounts of suffering to keep those cells full and costs the gbt billions of dollars. That's a whole another discussion though.
I spent 3 years in Germany. A couple very common complaints included high income and sales taxes and high cost of living. They don't have to "pay" for a lot of healthcare and stuff because of the high taxes. Privatization with a small amount of government oversight should be the way things are run. Keep the companies from way overcharging and doing other shady stuff.

I noticed you mentioned longer wait times for healthcare. That is one thing I don't want. Just look at what goes on with the VA. I want to be able to pick a doctor and get in within a few hours if needed. 24 hours should be the max I have to wait. There's no need to clog the ER for flu like symptoms unless it's a child or elderly person. I had very sever abdominal pain once. It took over 2 hours to get in because of people there that had a cold or something like that.

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So you mean the exact same things people here in the US complain about?

Fact of the matter is, we, in the US, between state, federal, property, sales, and other taxes, are being taxed A LOT already. We're just not seeing the benefits of that taxation as much.

You also don't need to fear going bankrupt from an ER visit in germany/uk, which you certainly do in the US.

At this point Fox commentator will chime in that if you can afford other things they should damn well be able to afford to get yourself health insurance too!

Well, here's the dirty little secret of medical bankruptcy. Most people that end up dealing with it, did in fact have health insurance.

Here's another thing to consider... what kind of goddamn f*cking machiavellian bastard decided that the mouth, and eyes are not part of one's body, and can't be covered by a general health insurance policy?

The whole system is broken IMO, and too far gone to fix. It will limp on for decades, maybe even centuries, but it is already well and thoroughly broken.
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“My own personal theory is that Joseph built the pyramids to store grain. Now all the archeologists think that they were made for the pharaohs’ graves. But, you know, it would have to be something awfully big if you stop and think about it. And I don’t think it’d just disappear over the course of time to store that much grain.

“And when you look at the way that the pyramids are made, with many chambers that are hermetically sealed, they’d have to be that way for various reasons,”
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Even if you agree with this loon on some subject, would you really want HIM as a president?

And then there's Trump.


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Because now is the time to weed out the weaker candidates and the primaries and caucuses happen soon.
AMEN.. Get active now, and participate, even on a local level. Or suffer the consequences later..

Watch the hour documentary on how Trump's flight crew cares for and operates his 767. I'll say this, he does know how to run an physical asset management operation top down. That bird is maintained to an awesome level, similar to AF1 and he knows how to exploit it. I cant say his financial decisions are all great, but his corporate people seem to jump through hoops for him out of loyalty (and /or a bit of fear). It gives you a better view of him then his sound bites and the scripted reality show.

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LOL ... you really got me.
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Canadian here.

I tore a tricep tendon off by accident a few years ago in my elbow. It was pretty catastrophic.

It tooks 3 weeks to get an ultrasound. It was inconclusive. So another 4 weeks to wait for an MRI, which confirmed 80% tear. I spoke with an orthopedic surgeon, and he scheduled me for surgery. I got a letter 3 weeks later saying I was scheduled for a year from then.

I called his office and explained that by then a surgery would probably not help anymore. I don't know what strings he pulled, but he managed to reduce it to 3 months.

So from injury to operating table was about 5 months.

I pushed all the way thru it. Went to the emergency room, they just gave me painkillers. Next day went to a walk in clinic, and they scheduled the ultrasound.

The next day I searched on google for a sports clinic. Found one, still took 3 weeks to get appointment. When I finally saw the doctor, they had the ultrasound, inconclusive, needed MRI - Scheduled for 1 month afterward. Called every other day in case there was a cancellation. No luck.

Finally orthopedic surgeon saw my MRI, and scheduled me for surgery. Could have been another year, but it was 3 months + 2 months of dicking around waiting for imaging results.


I got out of surgery with approx 10% strength. I didn't improve for a full year, until I started researching alternative treatments, like shockwave and prolotherapy (both work awesome BTW, but neither is covered by our social healthcare plan). I didn't care, I had nothing to lose but money. To my surprise, the treatments were massively powerful, and I now have approx 70% strength, after a couple of years of treatments.

In the US, I would have been in surgery max 2 weeks after the injury, and I would have regained 95% of my strength naturally (the tendon was fresh and would hold on its own with a few stitches. Right now I have a permanent suture that I can feel under my skin)

Now, ask me what I think about socialized health care? I'll just answer now: I am terrified of anything like that ever happening to me again. Something life threatening, and I'd probably die before i get any help.
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Canadian here.

I tore a tricep tendon off by accident a few years ago in my elbow. It was pretty catastrophic.

It tooks 3 weeks to get an ultrasound. It was inconclusive. So another 4 weeks to wait for an MRI, which confirmed 80% tear. I spoke with an orthopedic surgeon, and he scheduled me for surgery. I got a letter 3 weeks later saying I was scheduled for a year from then.

I called his office and explained that by then a surgery would probably not help anymore. I don't know what strings he pulled, but he managed to reduce it to 3 months.

So from injury to operating table was about 5 months.

I pushed all the way thru it. Went to the emergency room, they just gave me painkillers. Next day went to a walk in clinic, and they scheduled the ultrasound.

The next day I searched on google for a sports clinic. Found one, still took 3 weeks to get appointment. When I finally saw the doctor, they had the ultrasound, inconclusive, needed MRI - Scheduled for 1 month afterward. Called every other day in case there was a cancellation. No luck.

Finally orthopedic surgeon saw my MRI, and scheduled me for surgery. Could have been another year, but it was 3 months + 2 months of dicking around waiting for imaging results.


I got out of surgery with approx 10% strength. I didn't improve for a full year, until I started researching alternative treatments, like shockwave and prolotherapy (both work awesome BTW, but neither is covered by our social healthcare plan). I didn't care, I had nothing to lose but money. To my surprise, the treatments were massively powerful, and I now have approx 70% strength, after a couple of years of treatments.

In the US, I would have been in surgery max 2 weeks after the injury, and I would have regained 95% of my strength naturally (the tendon was fresh and would hold on its own with a few stitches. Right now I have a permanent suture that I can feel under my skin)

Now, ask me what I think about socialized health care? I'll just answer now: I am terrified of anything like that ever happening to me again. Something life threatening, and I'd probably die before i get any help.
Same sort of thing happened to my grandmother (who lives in Canada). She fell down the stairs and broke her shoulder.

On the way to the ER she did not receive a shot of Heparin (or another blood thinner), which I believe eventually resulted in a stroke. She also had to wait 2 weeks to be operated on, in which time they sent her home and put her on pain-meds.

This is why I'm scared of socialized medicine. Whenever the government sticks it's foot into something the quality of the service gets reduced drastically. Understandably too, I mean if you just had to do a mediocre job to get your government paycheck, why would you go the extra mile? This is evident in the case with my grandmother; the EMT should have known to administer Heparin, but it didn't happen. When it comes to healthcare, top quality service is a must, and the government just can't provide that.

Similar to natural selection, Private industry will always provide superior quality to socialized industry, because there will always be a competitor, and if you don't provide better quality than them then you're going out of business.

If the EMT had worked for a private company, he would have been fired and the company might have been sued. My family is not the suing type, but if it had been someone else...
He didn't get fired though, and he still got his paycheck.

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We need to kick everybody out of Washington and replace every single one of them with trusted members from our communities, and we need to be ready to hit the streets and throw them all out again the moment they start feathering their nest with our funds.

It's amazing how fast a community activist who has the good of the community at heart forgets all that crap when they get a taste of the good life.

I have seen it first hand, a man named Ken Williams was very outspoken about the corruption of the city of Stone Mountain about 15 years ago, he had the dirt on the officials and the support of the people. We were all starting to make noise and we were ready to vote him in and clean up the crooks.

Well they gave him a nice do nothing job title and a fat paycheck and he packed up his modest house and moved out, driving away in his shiny new car.

I don't think any one President can fix all our problems, but a monster like Hillary could dam sure hasten our demise.

We need a constitutionalist who believes strongly in values.
We do not want any career politician, they are all dirty lying rats, we need a honest good hearted citizen, and if we cant have that we at least need someone who does not take their marching orders from their party.
We need an independent, and although Trump scares the hell out of me, maybe he is at that point in his life where he is not looking to get rich, he has already done that, maybe he is ready to do something really great, he could be dangerous, but so could they all.

We need some Real change. Think about it, Trump has an ego, I could see him giving us a state of the union and spilling the beans on all the scumbags, how wonderful would that be, I can hear him now telling us we need to clean house and why.

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So you mean the exact same things people here in the US complain about?

Fact of the matter is, we, in the US, between state, federal, property, sales, and other taxes, are being taxed A LOT already. We're just not seeing the benefits of that taxation as much.

You also don't need to fear going bankrupt from an ER visit in germany/uk, which you certainly do in the US.

At this point Fox commentator will chime in that if you can afford other things they should damn well be able to afford to get yourself health insurance too!

Well, here's the dirty little secret of medical bankruptcy. Most people that end up dealing with it, did in fact have health insurance.

Here's another thing to consider... what kind of goddamn f*cking machiavellian bastard decided that the mouth, and eyes are not part of one's body, and can't be covered by a general health insurance policy?

The whole system is broken IMO, and too far gone to fix. It will limp on for decades, maybe even centuries, but it is already well and thoroughly broken.
I don't think our taxes are that high. It depends on where you live. Most of the vehicle registration taxes go to school systems here. The school systems AND roads suck. Sales tax in Germany is 19%. The highest I've heard of in the US is 10% which is about half of what it is in Germany.
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Those two problems above that the Canadians had, if they happened here they would have probably each cost at least $50,000. If you didn't have good insurance then it would be the end of your life as you know it. So I am not opposed to socialized medicine, I am opposed to Obama Care because it has nothing to do with socialized medicine, here most people pay $500 - $800 a month for their insurance unless you are old enough for Medicare and then you still need a supplemental insurance.

I have serious health problems that I will not be getting treatment for (heart and liver) that began in 1990 and will end my life within several years. I have a friend who now checks on me daily by phone, if he doesn't get a reply he will drive over here. I have instructed him and everyone I know that I am not to go to a hospital and not to call 911 until I am dead.

My mother had a stroke in March of 2012, she turned 91 last month, she thinks she can make it to 101, I have doubts about this, but that is also beyond my life expectancy. 2 or 3 years before she had a stroke I moved in with her because it was unsafe for her to live alone, when she had a stroke I gave up what life I had to take care of her full time, now my health is so bad that I wouldn't be able to work anymore anyway.

In 1991 I was at work and had bad chest pain and trouble breathing and against my wishes they called 911. I was taken to the ER and went home the same day, something similar happened exactly one year later and again a trip to the ER. This cost me several thousand dollars that I could not pay, I was harassed at home and work by collection agencies and got sued and my wages were garnished and it ruined my life.

Another thing happened during that second trip to the ER. I was diagnosed with inflammation of tissue in the chest cavity, and the doctor told me I could control that with ibuprofen and that would reduce my problem with chest pain and trouble breathing. Well guess what? It worked, it worked so well that I took ibuprofen about three times a day for about the next 8 years. During this time I was a beer drinker, I drank 6 - 8 beers a day. Well one day I come home and turn on the news and they say that new warning labels are now required on ibuprofen, Tylenol, and something else because they cause liver damage if you take too much, especially if you drink. I immediately stopped taking it. At the time I had purchased an old run down sailboat for $5000 at a local marina and I lived on it full time for 3 years, it was cheaper than renting an apartment. I became friends with this guy on another boat and we would get together and have dinner sometimes on his boat or mine, he didn't drink beer he drank wine, I discovered by accident that a couple of glasses of wine would make my symptoms go away, I gave up beer and started drinking wine. If anyone else has chest pains and trouble breathing, try some Chardonnay or Merlot, most others don't help much. Today I have a pain in my side that seldome goes away along with several other problems I won't bother to explain right now.

Over about the last 5 years my mother had to go to the hospital 5 times, 2 times I got someone to drive us, 2 times I had to call 911, one time my idiot neighbors called 911 when I was gone shopping, my mother had been sitting outside and they came over to talk to her and thought she was having another stroke. 3 of those times required a hospital stay. If you call 911, just the bill from the fire department is astronomical, the first time I called 911 the bill from the fire department was $700, the second time it was $911, the third time it was over $1900, a couple near us recently called 911, the woman has heart problems, just the bill from the fire department was over $3800. And your insurance doesn't pay for it. I will never call 911 again for any medical emergency no matter what.

Her first two hospital stays cost over $5000 a day, the third one was $10,000 a day for three days. Her insurance payed for almost all of it. I don't have insurance, we can't afford it, and we can barely afford her medical bills and prescriptions. So I am not opposed to a U.K. style socialized healthcare. It may not provide as good of care but it is the lesser of two evils.

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Many hard life lessons and events are posted here. I do not know any of you face to face but I am very sorry to see that you have had these tragic events happen to you and/or loved ones!! Smiles and a big hug to you O
I have had several accidents (2 were from idiots hitting me with their cars) and now I am in chronic pain for the rest of my life. I am right on the edge of needing to take meds for the pain but I just push through each and every day as I know it could be so much worse. I work outside so the weather really kicks in and makes the constant ache rise to pain but I just grunt when I move and it hurts. My friends, family and co-workers bust my chops about the noises I make but I ask them if they rather I get grumpy and b!tchy and they say no, make all the noise you want!
Bottom line, here in the USA medical rates are very high and can crush you financially but at least, most of the time, you get the help you need right away. Not 5 months later. Sorry that I went off topic but this concerns people lives and is important in IMHO.
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