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Old 02-26-2016, 04:58 AM #433
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You want to give this government more power, so they can take care of us? ......If we like it or not, under threat of force, as always.
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They have a vote, they have a brain, they can decide. I see a lot of people do very stupid things everyday, it's their choice. To me, Trump is one of those stupid choices.
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But, is it the less stupid choice in the long run? I don't think Bernie should get in there with his free stuff lies, nothing is free. Hillary, that would be hell, forget her. There are others I could mention but except for Ron Paul or his son, I wouldn't consider them either.
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Bernie can't make money out of thin air, nor he can he unilaterally pass legislation regarding taxes, etc,.

What makes him an appealing candidate to me, is he is capable of working with the rest of the shitty government we have in place, to some degree, and he can force greater accountability through transparency.
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What concerns me the most is the current strength of the imperial federal government and our government getting stronger, ruling us as a serfdom, I want to strengthen state rights, reducing federal powers to 20% or less of what they are now, except for military defense and only military defense which should never be used internally against us to solve conflicts. The way it is, the feds are worming their tentacles into local and state governments in an effort to increase their power over us. Is this radical "terrorist" thinking?
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I do believe a better balance needs to exists between the federal government and the states, but don't think state governments are any better, and in fact, they are often times worse. Commerce and laws have simply gotten to a point of complexity where the current structure is imo unsustainable, and in many ways state governments are completely redundant.

For example where out criminal justice system is concerned, I think it's absurd that you can break the law simply by passing from one state to another, or one county to another, or even city to city within the same state and county.

Varying drug and gun laws are a perfect example of this... legal in colorado, illegal in nevada, guns, mostly legal in pennsylvanian, practically illegal in NJ, and so on.

I certainly don't want the government at any level to grow larger, but given how things have typically turned out with de-funding, what I want first and foremost, is greater transparency and accountability, which simply does not exist currently. That would require some greater centralization.
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Complete transparency is what we deserve and when an organization has power over us, because we put them in that position, I don't think complete transparency will ever happen. With the level abuses and corruption we have right now, I think we might be better off having people rule who are not voted into office, this voting system causes our leaders to lie about their intentions to get into office, and then hide what they do once there.

If you want more of the same, vote for Hillary, that is certain:

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Complete transparency on all levels is of course not possible, but greater transparency is, and greater internal oversight.

Completely disagree with you that we would be better off with having people not voted into office. Voting people into office is the check on power that came about after thousands of years. In fact it's the non-elected, but appointed members of our government that I think represent the greatest threat.

That, career politicians, positions without term limits, and the horrible revolving door between the public and private sector.
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I said we might be better off, but of course that depends on whether the individuals have ethics, nothing guaranteed there and if they were kings and queens, you can't vote them out, only kill them.
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Well, that's the problem, ideally the world would function a whole lot better under a benevolent dictatorship. Never works out well in the long run though.

For all griping here, things are not so bad, could be a lot worse. Lots of room for improvement too though.
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Maybe instead of a human dictator we could have a digital dictator.



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Can't see the video... eventually we probably will... for a time anyway.
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We already have States passing law in contrast to federal law, and Barry telling the feds not to enforce the law, the pot laws.
This may seem trivial but if he can do it with 1 law he can do it with any law, it's the start of anarchy.
Our United States works on a chain of command, and we have the right to appeal to the next higher court.
Barry has done a good job of wrecking the hell out of things, treason is not a word that I would toss around lightly, but this smiling sack of lies has worked to undermine us at every turn.

The supreme Commander of The United States of America does have some power and we have a lot of damage to fix.

I like Cruise, I like him a lot, but if the choice is Bad or Worse then I have to take the lesser of 2 evils, and Hillary is evil embodied.

Sanders would rob us of our freedom and bankrupt the country with impossible social programs, we would collapse finically and fall into a long recession. Nobody would win, but the truly wealthy would weather the storm, the common man however would be much worse off after the honeymoon's over and the bill comes due.

We could do worse than a businessman. A socialist would be worse, especially right now when we can ill afford it.
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Cruz is just as bad, if not worse than Hillary IMO. While he presents a very conservative portrait, his record shows him to be completely and utterly for sale. Much as I dislike Trump, I'd prefer him over Cruz. I think the former can do less harm.

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It is a sad state of affairs.
I do hear Trump calling people out on a lot of things, and he is right about the media.
We get lied to so much it's nice to hear someone say what they are not supposed to, even if it's for their own reasons, I love hearing Rubio talk about all the down right treasonous crap Barry has done, everyone want's to forget and say oh well, that's just how it is.
I'm glad to at least hear people talking about it, it's a start.
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