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I'm ready to see paper ballots double hand counted by both sides, I still don't think Barry was genuinely re-elected.
They had the republican winning then Barry overtaking at the end by a undisputable margin.
It reeks of a constructed sham, first show the favorite winning, cementing in the peoples minds that the programmed voting machines are accurate, then a late and substantial overtaking by Barry.
All wrapped up psychologically with a ribbon for the masses, never mind the all the admitted voter fraud by polling workers after the fact.

Women voters and abortion rights, yea that's what happened.....partly, that and the mobilization of young easily fooled hope and change voters. Still there was admitted fraud and the Diebold voting machines could have been reflashed in selected areas.
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What is wrong with our system

Why do we fricken vote to give OUR power away to a single man called president? Why? Do we really think he wants the power to do what we want? Hell no, that isn't it.... not usually, but we keep hoping against hope the next guy we vote in will be there for us and do the right thing. How often does that happen? Is it worth the number of failures? OK, lets say we don't have a president, we just have a group of 12 people, call them what you want, and give them the power.... Now you have a bunch of monkeys trying to convince one another to do what they want... OK, give the power to a larger group of people and see how that goes. Congress is a good example of that kind of group, split them into two parties to have balance and what do you get? A bunch of back stabbing back door dealing criminals who derive their power from us, but see us as the problem..

If the vote won't fix the system, revolution can

When things become hopeless is when revolution comes to the rescue, revolution has been part of our history for as long as we have had governments or individuals in power, why? Because, that is what we do to fix systems we can't change. So, we reset them, wipe the board clean and start the cycle over, and over. Sometimes I think we absolutely need a revolution, although in the long term any revolution will only be a temporary fix due to our own natures and all too often the new individuals in power worse than the people thrown out.

The one world new order government will stop revolution and global war, or will it?

Some think a one world government is the answer to stop revolution, that will only create more terrorist fighting the system, it won't give us more peace. The only way to have peace (for awhile, until big government creeps back in) is to decentralize the power, take it away from large organizations such as governments and give it back to the people where it belongs, smaller government is the easiest fix to reduce the potential for misuse of power as well as the need for revolution. But what about other countries who have massive government, aren't they then a threat to the point we need the same just to keep them at bay? Nope, a few nukes to threaten them to keep back and that's all we need. A strong military with protections to keep them from taking over and minimal government is what works. It's sad that we are our own worst enemies, but because of this we need to minimize how much we can get into each others lives, less government is the answer, not more. Some say, socialism is the answer, hell no it isn't, it is just more of the same wearing a sheep skin, don't buy into that.

The permanent fix isn't revolution, it's evolution...

Maybe the future holds a world where we become one people regardless of race, culture or country, but that day won't come through the government, it will come on its own through love of one another, not before we achieve that first. First we must understand one another, and the internet provides that bridge. Through understanding we are on our way, if we can free ourselves from (at least in our country) these self imposed corrupt systems first.
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This problem has been going on a long time, we should have been raising better children, evolving as a people, passing on wisdom and ETHICS!!!

Now everyone is caught up in their day to day and people are conditioned to being told what to do.
Millennials don't know we are supposed to be free because they weren't taught the Constitution in school, quite the opposite, now they vote.

If our Supreme court falls as it's about to, then we may not be allowed to even talk about this in the years to come.

It may be down to a final reset, and that's a big nasty mess, I would like to think the good citizens can push back, the problem is we are the sum total of our people, and we have not been evolving as people, not all of us, not even most of us, that's a big part of this problem.
Yes some/many immigrants are good people, but we have been flooded with not the best and meanwhile we build a huge WELFARE STATE where children grow up in projects with our lousy education system and a DRUG CULTURE.

WE HAVE ONE OF THE WORST PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEMS ON EARTH! We are not even taught how we work, why we are compelled to do what we do, we don't reward academic excellence, we reward sports, physical achievement, not technology.

That and I will admit it....we apparently needed religion, to give us the strength to stand up and say our rights are God given....I always wondered why people who I could tell knew better played the game, and it's as I expected, to guide the masses, protect them from the overreach from the other form of control.

The Church counterbalances the State, hence the separation of Church and State. People are unified in the church and have strength of numbers.
In the old days if the King got out of hand people could run to the church and the church could speak to the King and balance would be restored, because the king knew all the people would fight as one if ordered by the church.

Our Rights are God given, even if you are not religious, and I'm not, you should still understand what that's all about, and shout it from the rooftop shaking your fist.

But when the church won't do right and hold accountable pedophile priests and the State is completely out of control, now the people don't have the unity to stand together, the State will take the reins and the people will fall into bondage, for the good of the children or the global warming, or the whatever load of stuff people will swallow.

Out time to evolve was before now, The Chinese have been evolving, watch what they do if you live another 20- 30 years.
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All of that coupled with the clear fact we have had the worst record in the last 50 years in regard to military force and the funding of proxy wars, I'm surprised the world hasn't ganged up on us and taken our so called leadership out of the equation. We need to stop playing policeman of the world, it just makes us the bad guy.
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Our nuclear deterrent has kept us safe as has our technical edge and we spend the most on military, well Barry has us cut us way back and he actually said he wanted to dismantle our nuclear deterrent, the most cost effective safety we have ever had other than being separated by ocean.

I think he could take a dump on the flag and wipe with the bill or rights and nothing would happen, actually I'm sure nothing would happen.

Someone was talking about shoulder fired weapons and we have some cutting edge stuff, but the direct energy stuff Russia has been working on that induces currents into our micro electronics, even those that are shielded has us worried.

We don't have the manpower redundancy that some others do.

As China and other Countries have more of their genius students who excel in scientific advancement stay there rather than move to the USA we will see our technical edge slip in the near future and as our debt comes due our elite leaders will have to make us all hand to mouth debt payers as they sell off our country in little foreign owned cities plots that will be used to further milk what's left of our wealth and establish a firm foothold.

Our future is uncertain, we have lost precious ground and we are hated by many, some of which are enriching uranium.

There are many variables in the future but one thing is for sure, we had dam well better get it together and stop working against ourselves and soon.
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I do not think we will. I would not waste my time trying to fight this slide. As the US and much of Western Europe fades, we need to shift our alliances. Poland is a nice country. There are good counties within many states in the US and the Scottish people have a reputation for fierce independence.

When you see someone who weighs 500 pounds and you think he has to do something about his weight, remember when he was 400 pounds it was clear, then, that he needed to do something and didn't. This decay of the West has been obvious for at least 30 years and people didn't wake up anywhere along here and exclaim" we have to or I have to do something...NOW". It is not likely to happen.
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I do not think we will. I would not waste my time trying to fight this slide. As the US and much of Western Europe fades, we need to shift our alliances. Poland is a nice country. There are good counties within many states in the US and the Scottish people have a reputation for fierce independence.

When you see someone who weighs 500 pounds and you think he has to do something about his weight, remember when he was 400 pounds it was clear, then, that he needed to do something and didn't. This decay of the West has been obvious for at least 30 years and people didn't wake up anywhere along here and exclaim" we have to or I have to do something...NOW". It is not likely to happen.
I have to agree, it's already too late!



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I fear we all will become subjects, a little at a time until it just is the way things are, freedom will become a dirty word, a selfish boouseswa concept thought to be greedy and wrong.
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I think the "we" is what is going to change. Where are your loyalties and where does expending your effort and resources yield the most good? Each individual has to choose their affiliations without being sold on the ideas of race or nationality, party or borders.

I am not Jewish, but the concept of the diaspora is one that many of us will become familiar with. The Ashkenazi Jews are the most intelligent group/race/collection of individuals in the world. They were forced to live wherever they could with their wits being the means of survival in often hostile communities. The most intelligent survived and had the most children.

I dream of living on Mars and sending ships to other stars as well as finding other intelligence, but I hold no hope for resurrecting America. The only realistic path for creating the nearly limitless potential of the original American Dream is "out there".
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Not until things get bad enough for enough people that we can all get pointed in the same direction, the fact Barry got re elected is proof that we are past the tipping point.

Many people don't know they were meant to be free, they expect to be told what to do, and they want a hand out, too be taken care of, they can't understand it won't be worth a dam until they learn the hard way.

We may get a short reprieve and I hope we do, but things are going to get worse before the masses learn and we can get a majority pointed in the same direction.
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I think you're right on the reprieve if Trump is elected. The reprieve may be extended if there is open conflict in parts of Europe beginning with Greece and including potentially Sweden as well. Also, if brexit goes the way of independence this would be good too. But, when you are disproportionately encouraging the reproduction of people that prefer complacency (welfare state) and who do not value freedom and then educate them to enhance these behaviors then they will never get pointed in the right direction. They are lost and irredeemable.

Your hope is akin to the character of Eddi in Atlas Shrugged. He struggled valiantly, but hopelessly to keep the "trains running" as the tide of state-ism destroyed everything.

I read an interesting book , HOW THE IRISH SAVED CIVILIZATION. It describes how the remote island became the repository of ancient culture, literature and art after the fall of Rome and until the rise of Medieval Europe.

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I fear we all will become subjects, a little at a time until it just is the way things are, freedom will become a dirty word, a selfish boouseswa concept thought to be greedy and wrong.
In the words on Janis Joplin: "Freedom is just another word for nothing left to lose".
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A generation which ignores history has no past and no future.
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Right. We need to move on.

There is a common theme in may time travel stories where the hero travels back with knowledge of the future. If this were to happen to anyone here you would probably realize how imperfect or spotty your knowledge of the time interval between the present and your destination in the past. You would also be frustrated by your limited ability to effect many events, not all and maybe not some spectacular events, but many. Try to actually prevent the bombing of Pearl Harbor. Did the US government even know it was coming? Would you have been arrested or worse? Anyway, your greatest leverage would be over those events that affected you directly. You would probably not be able to preempt the patent on Polaroid film, but would have known to invest in Kodak or bet on Secretariat.

Those of us that study history and understand technology rather then follow football scores are a little like the time traveler with his imperfect vision/memory of the future. We can position ourselves to weather the storms and benefit from the trends. I don't want to b**ch about it, I want to doooo something.
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The Tea party people get ruined in a " Phony Scandal " that still goes on today and there is no justice, red handed and no justice for the citizens.

Yes I'm more that bothered by it I'm angry and ready to march, I will get out front and carry the flag, but when I turn around I need to see 100,000 strong behind me, not empty street, because without the strength of numbers nothing is going to get done.
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There are good counties within many states in the US and the Scottish people have a reputation for fierce independence.
Clearly not fierce enough Full disclosure, I'm an avid supporter of independence. Unfortunately I didn't get a vote because I didn't register to vote in the previous election and am now unable to because I live overseas.

I probably won't get a vote in the EU referendum either, even though as a citizen of the EU the outcome will directly affect me.

Anyway ... back to US politics. The outcome of your election could have a global impact. I'm not a fan of Trump but I'd rather have him over Clinton, wouldn't trust her as far as I can throw her. At least Trump seems honest about his position, even if I don't agree with it.
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