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Old 01-23-2016, 11:38 PM #289
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Once they destroy private wealth it will be easier for our government to control everything and the big question is will it be any better?

Their track record says NO!

If the VA hospital was a model for the country.

If public housing was a haven fostering inspired youth.

If any government run anything next to a private or corporate run one of the same was better then there would be room to discuss why.

Before we put the government in control of everything we need a new government, of the people, by the people and for the people sounds nice, but that's not what we have.

So if rich people control the government and you want to give the government more control to fix the problems......can you see the hole in this concept.


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When ever someone comes to you and says; I'm from the government and have come to help you, run!

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I think most of us here get it. It isn't about the fineness of the argument or a cute example, most kindergartners would understand the concept. The reasons against socialism are basic. They involve survival strategy. Giving the warriors better food or keeping an effective leader alive benefits the pack. Helping a pregnant mother to survive to give birth and raise a healthy tribe member makes sense. But supporting the lazy or, let's not dress it up, a decrepit and completely dependent elder alive at a cost to the group probably does not make sense.

If some of us are able to provide for others and choose to do so then we should be able to and our reward may be gratitude, love or a feeling of self satisfaction. But when this support is imposed, then again it is theft and the aforementioned motivations are irrelevant and often replaced with resentment.

We are sort of going around and around about this. Either you get it or you don't.

We don't have limitless choices for our next president. At this point, I strongly support Trump. I oppose Sanders just as strongly. If Hillery is indited or the weight of the investigation simply crushes her campaign as even higher security correspondence has been recently found on her hard drive, then maybe a more reasonable Democrat candidate will be quickly deployed. I'll look at them and who knows...
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Larken makes a lot of good points, I try to argue with him in my mind, but it's not easy when he's right.
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Your thinking of communism. Social ism works very well, and it what most European countries have, and even canada. Now tell me that Canadians aren't happy with cheap private schooling and free healthcare. Who cares how high taxes might be, you hardly have to pay for anything yourself and it makes using your own money for fun much easier, it litterally gives you more spending money.
Stop it stop it stop it!!!!!!

As a Canadian I can tell you our health care SUCKS SUCKS SUCKS!!!!

You can easily wait 9hr in an emergency room waiting for a doctor to see you. Hospitals have no choice but to deal with life threatening emergencies up to the point that the person will not die. Once the person is not at a high risk for death anymore? go home, we don't have time for anything else.

Having been thru the wringer a couple of times, and being naive at the time, I wish that I had been living in the US and had been treated in a US hospital.

I now have a disability that I will have to live with for the rest of my life. I wasn't at risk of death, see. Now that I know the truth, I am seriously afraid to ever have to deal with any injuries, since it's unlikely I'll get the help I would need in time.
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Larken makes a lot of good points, I try to argue with him in my mind, but it's not easy when he's right.
He's absolutely correct, but what hope do we really have of being completely free of the entanglements (slavery) to any government in the future, mankinds history is full of governments and rulers, what hope do we really have not to continue in this way?

It's very sad that we call the USA a free country, but just try not paying your taxes to see how free it really is (not to mention controlling laws), for that matter, in any country where governments or some system rules.
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Alaskan, if we speak up loudly and in great numbers they will do what's right, or at least make some changes for now.

The American people should not be afraid of their government, their government should be afraid of violation any of the citizens rights and avoid getting the great masses up in arms.

We are 300,000,000 they are but a few, a very few yet we let them divide us and control us violating our sacred rights that are supposed to be untouchable.

It's time we stand together and make some noise, or learn to bend over even further.
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I don't disagree, just that these people are already out of our control, challenge them to where their power is threatened and they will react even worse, I have no doubts many Americans will be mowed down if push comes to shove in any real uprising where they can justify killing us... so better we speak up now and tell them how quickly we will remove them from office if they cross the line too far. However, these politicians watch each others backs, they aren't in power for us, they pretend to be there for us, but are there for themselves, that's what these people do... well, there are a few exceptions, I hope my trust isn't poorly placed with a few of them, but for the most part, I think we are overdue for a complete oil change, should dump 95 percent of Congress. Only thing is, each state doesn't see their representative as the problem. Individually, these people aren't a problem, but put them together in the corrupt system Washington DC politics has become, and as a group they have become a threat to our futures, them and the so called Federal Reserve.
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I saw police officers tried in double jeopardy after the Rodney King riots.

We saw the BLM back down off of Bundy after people stood up and it hit the internet garnering public support.

When Barry tried to block access to our war memorial, veterans and their families numbering in the thousands used bolt cutters on the chains and took down the barricades, carried them by hand to the White House and threw them into heaps in front of the White House fence and the federal police stood down because they knew much of the nation would have reacted had they tried to get rough, not to mention they would have gotten their asses handed to them by far superior numbers who were peaceful but willing to use as much force as necessary.

That war memorial belongs to the people, not our government, and veterans don't let each other get picked off 1 at a time, they fight for each other.

When they want to tax every mile we drive at tag renewal and a few million people start marching on their state capitals and making noise about recall elections watch how fast they decide to abandon that program.

The tyrants will bring out the armored trucks and tear gas to quell a race riot as long as most of the nation supports it, but when a lot of the nation is incensed then they are afraid to get too rough, because if 5% of the population decided to make a stand they could not deal with it and if they were to over react then much more of the nation could get involved and their true weakness would be exposed, they could lose everything and they know it.

The government is very powerful when they are stomping on a hand full of people, but the bigger the crowd gets the harder it will be to use force, and anything that had 5% of the nation marching that another 20% supported would be pacified with compromise, not force, because the families of 5% of the nation with another 20% in support are 25% of the police and 25% of the active military and that could go very bad very fast.

There is great strength in unified numbers, especially when they have the public support. That kind of protest will not be met with force, the tyrants know they would lose a lot more than just that one fight, they will capitulate if enough people stand up. Until there are perfected robotic terminator type mechanical soldiers the mob rules.

I can't find the videos I watched before, but the capital police were very outnumbered and did not dare to get physical with a protest of people who understood unity, unlike the pot head rallies where they can pick people off around the edges while protesters look on like gazelle, veterans will get in there and fight all for one and one for all, they can not intimidate a unified protest of any significant size who are willing to lock arms and stand together.

As for a blood bath that will not happen, the government is a small number of elite lawmakers, their force is people in uniforms, if they order their bastard army of DHS elitist to start gunning down the family members of protesting military and police personnel they have signed their own death warrant.

It's all a fašade, the government can not take on 20% of the population, they have to condition people to being told what to do and mostly DIVIDE by race, socio economics, religion, gender, age, party affiliation, ect.

This is why they can't do all out gun confiscation, too many people will fight, it has to be done slowly, more and more people are excluded/prohibited and more restrictions are slowly implemented, it can't be done all at once, too many would fight.


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You are right about most everything, the government should be afraid of the people, instead of the other way around as things are going in the United States and many places, they derive ALL of their power from us, we derive none from the federal government, in fact, are weakened by their spending.

The way I see the governments of the world is they are bass akward from what their official facades are. I see the individual as more important than the system, but this is also how companies are run, you will always see individuals being less important than our companies, churches, colleges. For any organization this is how it is.... Sadly, but where does the real power come from? From us individually en masse, of course.

To borrow a religious phrase; the beast is what we are subject to when the power of government sees itself as more important than any one individual, more than a thousand, more than a million, because it never stops with one. This is the ego of men, the problem is in our own natures and why we must be vigilant to prevent our darker sides from gaining dominance to the point of murder, if need be. We've already seen what our government is willing to do to other countries, in Iraq the estimate is about 500,000 people died due to what Bush allowed to happen and he isn't seen as the murderer he is, at least, not by many but history won't forget. What I am afraid of for our own sakes is the repercussions which will eventually come to our country and its people due to their arrogance and lack of respect for human life.

And.... all of these words from me, as the truth they are, puts me in league with being a potential terrorist in the eyes of my own government, sadly, today if you speak the stark truth, you very well may have to pay the price, liberty my ass, freedom my ass... They are watching and recording everything to decide who needs to be controlled.

On a lighter note, if you can call it that, my wife sure didn't like the 7.1 magnitude earth quake we had in Alaska tonight, that's why I'm up at this hour. I was trying to tell her just to stay in bed with me, but she ran downstairs screaming and had the front door open. I am so used to these things up here I just wait for them to stop without getting all hysterical about them
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Alaskan I was sleeping and just a short time ago heard about the earthquake, I hope you didn't have any damage or broken things. With all the talk about global warming these days maybe those of us on the west coast should also demand the government do something about the earthquakes.

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I agree, the government should protect us, they didn't prevent this from happening. If anyone knows about this stuff, the NSA should. I expect someones gold fish bowl rolled off their table to the floor, but no damage to my apartment.

Lets lighten this thread up some:

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I am not wanting to inspire a revolution or disrupt anyone's life, I just want people to think and not be so eager to pull the cart when the carrot gets waved.

Think before you vote and don't be fooled by the bs, you can't trade freedom for security and if the thieves are going to rob us make them steal it, don't vote in everything they need to plunder and rape in the name of global warming or what ever false flag is being waved.
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I am so discouraged by the individuals who have recently found their way to power, I next expect Hillary to be elected to continue the downward spiral.
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