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Hummmm..... I wonder if the ups are tied to the downs..


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As far as the liberal opinion, if Trump fails then it's all his fault, but if he does fantastic, then it's the economy that Barry built that carried him through, ...
This is the probem for any politician: If things go worse it's their fault, if things go better they are due to some external circumstance - perhaps something created in the past, or just the world economy rising.

In all honesty i thing the influence of politics on economic growth are vastly over-estimated. Most growth and depression periods just happen, and would also happen if politicians did nothing at all about them.

The only time where politics has a huge influence on economic development is when there are major fuckups. These would be situations where the economy in the world grows but in a specific country tanks.

You could look at north korea and several african and south american countries for examples of this. But beyond crazy totalitarian regimes, you just get what economy deals you.
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Oh, governments can stifle business or empower it, just look at airbus, airbus has the backing of several governments who work together and empower the business while Lockheed and Boeing have tons of red tape curtsey of uncle Sam that makes it hard for them to compete.

American business moving overseas is more to escape government regulation than cheap labor, they can use the foreign labor and keep a US home base, except the red tape makes it advantageous to totally leave the country, it's stupidity at it's finest and likely back door political deals, we pay while the swamp rats in Washington play, our representatives sell us out for personal gain through lobbyist all the time and that's counterproductive to our long term success.

Trump will have much resistance and I hope he can resist the huge carrot they wave in front of his face, because we are just the worker ants who pay the bills "taxes" and if we don't keep a close eye on the dealings then we only hear about them when Harry Reed is running off the last cattle ranchers to build Chinese solar farms, otherwise we would not even know or sadly care.

Just like all the foreign car factories here in America with American workers, it's the red tape and union legacy costs that make that un profitable for US companies and drive them overseas, in the long run we just export more wealth, America needs to get back on top as technology leaders, something that adds value, but if we fail to invest in our future and sell out for a quick buck now, then the future will belong to the not so short sighted foreigners, such as the Chinese who are investing all around the Globe.

Other Countries protect their business, we tax and regulate ours to death, it's very short sighted.
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I had not thought about the red tape aspect as one of the reasons corporations move their manufacturing outside, another reason they can under cut us so much.
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Though I don't really like the idea of the guy as president, I hope Trump really can encourage manufacturing companies back to the US.

I just wish that instead of publicly saying he's going to hit them with huge taxes if they don't, he'd say something more along the line of incentivizing them.

The stock market takes hits every time he makes threats like that.
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Threathening import duties is a method to prevent companies from leaving, not to get ones to start production in the US.

It may help to conserve some jobs in the automotive industry but the effect is limited.

If you want to bring industry to a country, make it attractive to have industry: Low environmental regulations, no minimum wages, low power cost, cheap land, decent infrastructure, no overly cautious worker safety standards and all that.

Note that the wages thing is only 1 factor in that, and often not THE factor since it will be offset to some degree by cost for shipping products back to the states. It's not exactly free to ship a car from japan or korea back to the US mainland.

The main reason we have fewer and fewer factories in the US and western europe are restrictions and taxes on energy and such. Even if a factory had zero workers in the production process, it's often still more attractive to locate it elsewhere due to lower operating cost on all fronts apart from shipping products.

I think Trump understands this pretty well, and given the chance could actually return some industry to america.
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I'd laugh if it wasn't so serious

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He empties out gitmo in his last few days. He knew that the consequences of doing this would deeply conflict with his agenda. I will always remember his greatest achievement was cash for clunkers. What a guy. I voted for Barry once. I had buyers remorse within the first few months. And my last vote fulfilled the Simpsons prophecy. We are in for a rough ride fellas. And the media will only make it worse.
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I never voted for him, even so I had great hope with what he was saying, later disappointed. Here's a link about the recent Russia issue, I know, it's InfoWars which is first and foremost a business and radical right, but I think worth a watch:

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We'll have to see. I think it would be a good thing if Trump succeeds in bringing some industry back to the US. If this works out it can be a good example for western europe where a lot of industry has been lost as well.

We have a very odd situation in the netherlands, with a very strange gap when it comes to industry. Agriculture is doing very well (second exporter of produce after the US), but the rest of the economy is more and more services-industry only.

Perhaps this is somewhat comparable to the US situation where you have good crops, a huge financial and services industry, but a lack of "factories that make stuff" over the whole product range.

For example it's really odd that we produce so few semiconductors here anymore (we used to make lots at philips/nxp). Sure, we have the world leading company in machines to make semiconductors here (ASML), but are shipping those machines to asia, and buying back the chips from there, either as components or as part of completed systems.

Perhaps we can have a proper computer factory here once again, but not if we have to compete against asia with extremely strict regulations here and virtually none there.
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