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Old 12-03-2016, 12:55 AM #2561
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Failures in education are one thing indeed, i've literally seen people that somehow graduated from high school, but were unable to answer things like:

- calculate 17x25 (half points if you need paper, fail if you need your phone)
- give a value for the diameter of earth (full points unless further than 60% off)
- calculate within 10% how long it takes to drive 100 km back and forth at a constant speed of 80 km/h (or in emperial equivalent).

For bonus points: change a lighbulb without getting injured or destroying extra bulbs in the process.

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If Trump does nothing at all we will be better off...
This is a fair point: What if politicians simply just did nothing at all. No change in legislation, regulations, policy, just nothing at all, apart for compensating rates for inflation and such.

I think that might actually be a very good thing, especially if they could promise to change nothing in the long run, say 50 years.

If they did, you could build a factory/etc that complies to todays standards in all respects, and be ensured you could still operate that facility in 2066, only increasing wages and taxes by inflation.

The change in politics is a great problem for any long term investmens, and we see that those investments are not made due to fear of just that. No new nuclear power stations are built in the netherlands. They could be operated profitably IF there was some guarantee that in 4, 8, 12 or 30 years no government could be elected that simply bans their use.

The same goes for fairly CO2 intensive industrial things like steelworks, base chemical processing plants, refineries, and a whole lot more. There is little certainty in building a state of the art petrol refinery if there is a decent chance that some leftist government is elected in 10 years that simply bans all petrol cars outright.

Politicians doing absolutely nothing at all yet collecting their salaries happily are about the best thing that could happen in many western nations. The 'bar' for a good government has basically been reduced to 'not fscking things up any further' instead of 'improving things'.


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Failures in education are one thing indeed, i've literally seen people that somehow graduated from high school, but were unable to answer things like:

- calculate 17x25 (half points if you need paper, fail if you need your phone)
- give a value for the diameter of earth (full points unless further than 60% off)
- calculate within 10% how long it takes to drive 100 km back and forth at a constant speed of 80 km/h (or in emperial equivalent).

For bonus points: change a lighbulb without getting injured or destroying extra bulbs in the process.
Woah there, hold your horses!

I know plenty of college grads, and even Phd's that won't be able to that!

To be fair, also have no idea what the diameter of the earth is off hand. Ten thousand miles if I had to guess.
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Back in the 90s I used to use one question from the WAIS fund of knowledge sub-set, "how many US Senators are there" as a quick and dirty handle on an individual 's intelligence.

In 94 I was working near Nashville and encountered 35 year old female attorney who did not know the answer.

HS kids cannot find Russia on a map let alone Moscow.
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Easier one... just name the three parts of the federal government, and the two parts of one of those branches? 80% will leave something out in my experience.
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Woah there, hold your horses!

I know plenty of college grads, and even Phd's that won't be able to that!

To be fair, also have no idea what the diameter of the earth is off hand. Ten thousand miles if I had to guess.
You guess well then. The actual figure is about 8 thousand, but given the margin of acceptible error of 60% you passed that perfectly without knowing the actual number upfront.

Things like the number of senators aren't really fair questions as they are quite cultural. My guess to the number of US senators is probably about as good or bad as your guess to the number of people in the dutch senate or parliament without googling it. But to make a wild guess without looking anything up: i'd say 250, +/- 50%.

As for parts of government, i'd guess they are the same in most countries: legislative, executive and jucidiary.
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I should clarify, it is a fair question to ask an American. In the US, there is the house of representatives, with congressmen, of whom there are currently 435, and the senate, with 100 senators, with 2 senators per state. The two together are congress.

Easily the most dysfunctional of the three branches, as there are no term limits, really no entry requirements aside from getting votes, and no laws to prevent making backdoor deals with business, permitting employees to leave for cushy private jobs, after selling their votes, and influence. If anything the opposite is true, congress has voted time and again to shield itself from scrutiny. For example in 2011 it quietly passed a rider bill, exempting congressmen from being in essence, required to report insider trading.
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"For bonus points: change a lighbulb without getting injured or destroying extra bulbs in the process. "

Smash lightbulb in socket. I changed it from easy to difficult. (or just grab a potato to extract the broken bulb).
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Hehe, if it's screwed in thightly you'll be grating potatoes all day long, and if you cannot tell if there is still power to the lamp you may electrocute yourself in the process as well Upside is that this can result in ready made warm mashed potato...

The proper way to do it: Use insulated pliers, break of glass to the point where you can get hold of the metal base with those pliers, and just unscrew it.

As for the number of congessmen: that is surprisingly large to me, especially for a country that effectively only has 2 parties. Something like the 100 senators sounds much more reasonable, but i guess being european i don't fully grasp how the US works with it's unusual variation of legislation by state and such.
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Well now the media and the US are claiming Russian hackers conspired to boost opinion of Trump by disclosing embarrassing documents that could discredit Hillary's campaign.

So basically, Espionage leads to people learning the Truth and that's an issue. Not, of course, that there is any proof of such espionage being presented to us.
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Our corrupt behemoth government want's to hold on to power and seize more, but now we have elected Trump who want's to give the power back to the people and build a prosperous America for Americans, not continue to fill the pockets of the control mongering, power brokering, blood suckers who lost this time and they just can't stand it.

The losers can cry all they want, Trump is our new President and the masses will accept nothing less.

It's a disgusting sad transparency that the corrupt power brokers would rather tear our Nation apart than lose their grip on control, but the people have spoken and we are sick or our behemoth fat cat servant masters living like royalty while they break our backs and trample our rights.

They can make up whatever they want, we know they are liars, we have been lied to so often, even Obama spoke recently and lied about things we know to be other than he said, our current government has no creditability around the world and not much creditability left at home.

It's time for our champion Trump to kick some much needed ass and I as most others are sick of the lies of the status quo, so please losers, just STFU and GO!
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Question remains if Trump will speak the truth after is he actually is installed as the president. I have no reason to believe that or not, really.

As for the rest of the world: not everyone is surprised trump won. Many of the european media were very openly pro-clinton before the elections and reported trump had little to no chance, not unlike mainstream us media reported.

Recently it's becoming more clear that 'mainstream media' are manipulative, and to a degree where they are now so far removed from the truth that they get every election outcome wrong.

Brexit? all media predicted a vote against it, yet the people chose for it.

Italian government reform by Renzi: Same deal

Half a year ago: referendum in holland to block an association agreement with ukraine - 60% voted to block that while all media called that unlikely to happen.

There are a lot of elections coming in europe in 2017, and i think we'll see more and more results that "suprise" the mainstream media.
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Just like mom and dad told us as kids, if you lie people will learn to not believe anything you say.
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Sure is, doesn't matter what country you are from.
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Anyone else bothered by Trump's cabinet picks?
1-We have a fast food ceo who doesn't believe in the minimum wage heading the labor department.
2-We have a racist dinosaur of a senator from Alabama heading the DOJ.
3-We have a SoS who was the CEO of exxon and he has strong ties to Russia and Putin.
4-We have a head of the EPA who made a life of trying to obstruct the EPA, and who claims climate change is a hoax.

It's like Trump is literally appointing people who are contrary to what the agency is supposed to do.

Our whole government is getting filled up with CEOs, old southerners, and science deniers.
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I've noticed that. With any luck they'll fuck the economy up so bad my investments in cryptocurrency will make me rich it's not like it's already fucked so much that normal people just need a miracle to get on the property ladder
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