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I have heard stories locally to me about a teenager that had been falsely arrested for theft, simply because they were running at the time and they fitted the stereotype. A theft had occurred at a local shop round the corner, and when the police arrived they noticed a teenager running in the distance. The police promptly arrested the man, despite him having no possession of the item stolen. The police presumed he had quickly disposed of the item, but later released him as it turns out he was simply late for his bus to get to the job centre. His description was that of a man wearing a hoodie and baggy tracksuit. He was stereotyped simply on his appearance.
This is something that can just happen randomly. Police are doing their work, and if they see someone running from a shopping mall that fits the clothing of a reported thief closely, i don't think it's unreasonable to stop this person for questioning.

Such an arrest would not have to be anything spectacular, most people would stop running if a police officer just asked them to stop.

I'm not sure how the above went down, but it seems he was found innocent in the end.

Something similar happened to me once, though not based on my person but my car: I got pulled over by the Royal marshalls one day. These people are generally involved in border control and national security measures and look different from traffic polices (in terms of uniform, vehicle marking etc).

I was surprised by that, since they normally don't do things like traffic policing writing fines for speeding or running a red light etc (they can, in certain areas, but rarely do).

They asked me for my drivers license which i had on me, and i asked what was going on. They asked if i would mind if they looked under my car for a bit with, well, a mirror on a stick. I didn't mind but asked why as there is nothing interesting on the bottom of my car afaik.

They had intelligence that a bomb might have been planted under a car of similar appearance (silver coloured station wagon that looks like mine, not overly common in the netherlands). Whole thing was finished in 3 minutes, we told eachother to have a nice day and that was it.


But one thing we see now is that -some- people of colour getting pulled over is that they immediately cry racist, even before the police can explain why they have been pulled over. The first thing they say is "you racist cops always have to get me....".

Most people (of any colour) would perhaps asked what they did wrong or something like that. The response to that often is 'you have a broken tail light, please go get that fixed' or something of the sort, or perhaps a speeding ticket (though you have to be speeding badly to get pulled over here, 99% of speeding tickets are sent by automated cameras and traffic cops in cars don't usually stop you for 10 or 20 over the limit when driving otherwise safely).

There are two sides to racism: Actual racism and presumed victimhood.

We should keep that in mind: if a black person does not get a job that could be due to racism, but most certainly also could be because another candidate was simply better suited on basis of education, experience etc.


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This is something that can just happen randomly. Police are doing their work, and if they see someone running from a shopping mall that fits the clothing of a reported thief closely, i don't think it's unreasonable to stop this person for questioning.
The problem with this scenario that occurs far too often is that the descriptions are often very vague, so as to be applicable to anyone, and often literally don't exist at all.

Unidentified black male.

That's literally a running joke now days.

Racial profiling, and discrimination does occur. False victim-hood does occur.

Where policing is concerned though, the biggest issue is a lack of accountability by police officers to the public. Too problem cops remain for years (and whole careers). Too often they only get fired when they should be charged. DA's refuse to prosecute cops, or drop cases on purpose if forced to do it. The cops fired are also very often quickly rehired by neighboring towns, counties, and so on. There are just too many of these incidents to overlook, and that is contributing a great deal to tensions with police.

Compounding the problem even more, idk how it works in europe, but in the US, in most cities, revenue generated by police departments is directly or indirectly tied to the salaries and equipment budgets of the police departments themselves. Giving far greater incentive for cops to write tickets, and make arrests, just for the purpose of filling their own pockets. (Asset forfeiture is the most drastic example of this.)

Bottom line, imo, all cops should be equipped with always on body cams, and at least 2 sensitive backup microphones. The recordings need to be stored off site, and the cops themselves should not have any ability to delete or edit them. Purposely disabling the cameras, and microphones should result in immediate dismissal of charges against the suspect, and severe consequences for the cops, including prosecution for evidence tampering and obstruction.

Cops should also lose their current golden parachute type protection. Where even when fired they often end up receiving full benefits, and pay for life.

The counter argument against this is that OH NO, too many cops will quit, not enough new people will want to be cops! To that I say bullshit. There may be issues yes, but they would be 100% worth it to purge the so called bad apples.

Edit: My brother was pulled over and treated very roughly once by local cops. He was pulled over, practically dragged from the car, patted down, cuffed, and showed in the back of a cruiser. They went through his car completely including the trunk, without consent or any excuse, or even the pretense of drug dogs. After they searched the car for half an hour or so they let him out, uncuffed him and let him go. Said they pulled him over because a cop was shot one town over, by a caucasian man driving a white sedan. IMO, all of those cops should have been severely reprimanded. This was also prior to the patriot act so they had no right at all to detain him without cause.

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We should keep that in mind: if a black person does not get a job that could be due to racism, but most certainly also could be because another candidate was simply better suited on basis of education, experience etc.
In the industry I work in, if you are black you are more likely to be hired over someone equally qualified who is white, what is happening to cause that?

What do you guys think of a city which has a phone book which is for white businesses only? That the book is to help support the white community and if black you can't be in it? Sounds very racial doesn't it? Well, I fibbed, I know of a phone book just like that but for blacks, if white you can't be in it. Yes, it exists in Atlanta Georgia.

This racial crap needs to stop, stop treating one another different due to fricken small differences in our genetic code, it is stupidity to do so. White and black men do not exist, only human beings make that distinction due to the way light reflects, or doesn't reflect from our skin from genetic differences which we call racial differences, damn.... Of course there is more to it than that, different "races" have unique differences common to each race, but really, stupid to call one human being this or that due to them. Our cultures are the real differences and those have nothing to do with race as anyone from any race can adopt one.
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I don't know what industry you're in, but i'll take your word for it.

Having white and black business directories and such seems insane to me. I think people have a right to compile whatever listing they desire, but i don't see the use of it. What about business that have employees from different races, should those be in both or in neither? And shouldn't there be an asian one as well, in case you need someone level 9000?

As far as police goes: i don't think there should be any incentive to make more arrests, write more tickets and what not. If you want one, make it such that arrests are only credited if someone is actually convicted by a court of law, and also such that anyone arrested but not convicted has a negative impact.

Racial profiling is a bit hard when it comes to finding people that have just fled a crimescene: all you usually get is testimony from people and they will mention whatever stood out ot them most about a person.

In a mostly white area being black could be something that stands out, but it also could be the other way around (like a white man robbing a restaurant in chinatown etc).

If you only get a brief look at a person you will notice a very limited number of properties. Those would generally be things like gender, race, unusual body type/height/weight, and clothing, hair colour, visibl tattoos and such if distinctive.

Race is something that will come up very quickly in that case: If the suspect is a man, dressed in casual clothes, about 6 foot tall and not especially fat or skinny, the first parameter a witness will probably mention is skin colour.

This is just how people see things. If you ask someone to describe a car, they will go through a similar process. If it was bright orange they'd probably mention that first, but if it was a usual colour they would mention things like the type of car, size, age, brand or whatever they noticed beyond that inital impression. If it was a rare type of car that would stand out a more (like a ferrari or a classic car).

I understand how this can turn into a racial thing though. The average suspect of a crime here would be described as a 'man of nothern-african descent', like Morroccan, rather than fully black in the US.

Here the sad conclusion from conviction statistics is that such stereotype is actually correct, but that by no means demonstrates that all or the majority of people that look like that are criminals.

The latter is important to always keep in mind. The majority of any race are -not- criminals, and should be presumed as innocent as anyone else unless there is proof of guilt.
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After seeing multiple news articls such as this, it doesn't seem like it really matters who got elected, if this next generation is going to need to "de-stress" like this over the results of the election, we're toast anyway.
How would you like these people running your company, or more importantly, the military!

The following is regarding the University of Michigan, but there seems to be college campuses across the country doing similar things.


"Donald Trump’s substantial victory, when most progressives expected a Hillary Clinton landslide, came as a shock to many. That shock seems to have been multiplied in academe, where few people seem to know any Trump supporters — or, at least, any Trump supporters who’ll admit to it.

The response to the shock has been to turn campuses into kindergarten. The University of Michigan Law School announced a ”post-election self-care” event with “food" and "play,” including “coloring sheets, play dough (sic), positive card-making, Legos and bubbles with your fellow law students.” (Embarrassed by the attention, UM Law scrubbed the announcement from its website, perhaps concerned that people would wonder whether its graduates would require Legos and bubbles in the event of stressful litigation.)"
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I always liked the definition of racism as " giving someone a pass because the color of their skin " think everyone should be held to the same bar of judgment. ( my thoughts, for what their worth)
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Ha, few will admit to voting for Trump, you know what kind of voter that comment came from.
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I honestly only knew maybe 1 or 2 people voting for Trump even though I knew most don't vote Democrat. Same can be said for Hillary. I would say the majority didn't want either of them but still voted for the party they normally side with just to keep the other out of office. I'm glad I'm old enough to not worry too much about these young idiots being my boss. I think the worst thing I might worry about is one of them getting a HR position and saying everyone needs to have a day off for some form of BS. I'd sit there and laugh as management rips him a new one. Crap like that won't fly in a factory.
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Factories often have unions, which means there's a specific procedure for taking time off, or causes that are valid to be absent. The thing that a lot of people older people who worked stable jobs for decades at a time is that now work often never quite ends. In the 80's and 90's even you left work, and you were done with it until the next day. Or you went on vacation and you were for the most part literally cut off from any work related contact. Not so anymore, where when it comes to "emergencies" few of which are actual emergencies, you're always on the clock.

So while I find it equally hilarious, and in a way to be an admission of failure in education that universities gave students time off to de-stress, and recover () when it comes to work, employees do deserve a measure of respect, accommodation, and fair compensation.

I do know quite a few people who voted for Trump, and also some diehard Hillary supporters, which to me came as more of a surprise, because while more people I know for her, I was surprised to see that some actually liked her.
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After seeing multiple news articls such as this, it doesn't seem like it really matters who got elected, if this next generation is going to need to "de-stress" like this over the results of the election, we're toast anyway.
How would you like these people running your company, or more importantly, the military!
Oh well, every generation said the one after them would be incapable of keeping things running, but so far all of them have been to some extent.

One thing to keep in mind is that people actually do grow up, and that process does not end at 16/18/21/30.

All those sjw's crying out now will have to cope with life eventually, and i reckon most of them simply will face reality. By the time the reach an age suitable for executive positions little of the ideals and ideas will be left.

You see that the people that once were hippies back in the 60s and 70s are now of executive age, and act pretty much like any generation before them, despite preaching peace and pot in their youth.

Back then you could have worried about how these peace-preaching hippies would dismantle the military in the future and such, but reality is they have not.

Also, the ones you see on the news are not the majority of a generation. On the news you see loads of 20-something sjw crybabies that demand safe spaces for whatever group, but the majority of 20-sominthing people have nothing to do with that and are just working hard on their education and carreers.

Oh, and these people tend to vote as well. If the entire generation was like that, you would expect 100% of people under 30 to have voted from clinton. While they did so in majority, it was nowhere near 100% - so even if you have no faith in the ones you see in the news, have faith in the other 40% of them that are too busy building their lives to bother with protests and such.
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Trump was my choice, but if things go like they usually do, he will be a disappointment too.... I want to be so wrong about that. However, I am encouraged by how he managed to keep 1000 jobs in the USA by threatening to give push back to the parent company of Carrier if they moved their manufacturing plant to Mexico.

I just couldn't stomach the idea of Hillary becoming president, uh! No way...
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Hillary spent 1,500,000,000.00 on her campaign, that's 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS, just imagine all the favors she that owes, favors that would have traded a great number of peoples futures for a very few peoples fatter pockets.

If Trump does nothing at all we will be better off, but Trump will help to restore the American Dream, restore individual Freedom, cut taxes and stimulate business, push us towards energy independence and maybe even further.

We were headed for socialism and loss of independence, but now that Trump is going to be President, before he has even been sworn in, we are already seeing a turn around and people are finally talking about our problems without fear of being labeled, we now have a fighting chance, Thank God and America's citizens that enough of us woke up to put the brakes on at the edge of the cliff.

Yes our cry baby students have had their minds poisoned by liberal teachers who give them false easy answers and participation awards, they can't even answer basic questions, rather they get mad and lash out when facing a debate with a single knowledgeable person with some actual facts, the truth is most of our genius students are foreign born here on genius visas, our youth were headed for a life of jobless socialism as we spiral the drain, but now we have a chance to invest in our nations future, rather than becoming third world subjects of a failing nation we have the chance to once again be citizens of the worlds greatest nation, and NO, I do NOT feel guilty for my pride in America, now that we have a chance to work for our own best interests first, there is nothing wrong with taking care of our selves first, I don't want to be a member of the world cesspool, I want to be a proud American showing the rest of the world the way, leading with shining accomplishments and lending a hand to the less fortunate from a position of economic strength, not borrowing money at the price of our accelerating demise to compensate for some liberal dictated contrived sense of guilt for once being successful, all while our government robs us blind.

The mush heads SJW's will learn fast when the true American grit of patriots lead the way through success and prosperity, an empowered citizen able to be self sufficient will feel the pride of accomplishment and that will stoke the fire of freedom in the American heart, the coloring book crybabies will embrace patriotism once they get off the dole and taste freedom, they will fight for it once they feel it, but there will need to be jobs for graduates or we will have a sub class with a different outlook.

Stopping the bleeding of illegal immigrants and exportation of wealth and jobs will empower self sufficiency and the pride of freedom. But first we need to drain the swamp and install representatives who will work for us, not steal for themselves.

We would be energy independent if not for special interest blocking the pipeline and the construction of new refineries, and as for environmental impact I bet America will be more conscious of the cleanliness of our process, more so than the foreigner's we will buy from otherwise. Really it's been a convent excuse for screwing over of the many for the profits of a very few.
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Hillary spent 1,500,000,000.00 on her campaign, that's 1.5 BILLION DOLLARS, just imagine all the favors she that owes, favors that would have traded a great number of peoples futures for a very few peoples fatter pockets.

If Trump does nothing at all we will be better off, but Trump will help to restore the American Dream, restore individual Freedom, cut taxes and stimulate business, push us towards energy independence and maybe even further.

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Yes our cry baby students have had their minds poisoned by liberal teachers who give them false easy answers and participation awards, they can't even answer basic questions, rather they get mad and lash out when facing a debate with a single knowledgeable person with some actual facts, the truth is most of our genius students are foreign born here on genius visas, our youth were headed for a life of jobless socialism as we spiral the drain, but now we have a chance to invest in our nations future, rather than becoming third world subjects of a failing nation we have the chance to once again be citizens of the worlds greatest nation, and NO, I do NOT feel guilty for my pride in America, now that we have a chance to work for our own best interests first, there is nothing wrong with taking care of our selves first, I don't want to be a member of the world cesspool, I want to be a proud American showing the rest of the world the way, leading with shining accomplishments and lending a hand to the less fortunate from a position of economic strength, not borrowing money at the price of our accelerating demise to compensate for some liberal dictated contrived sense of guilt for once being successful, all while our government robs us blind.

The mush heads SJW's will learn fast when the true American grit of patriots lead the way through success and prosperity, an empowered citizen able to be self sufficient will feel the pride of accomplishment and that will stoke the fire of freedom in the American heart, the coloring book crybabies will embrace patriotism once they get off the dole and taste freedom, they will fight for it once they feel it, but there will need to be jobs for graduates or we will have a sub class with a different outlook.

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