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Old 11-21-2016, 08:49 AM #2529
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If my facebook feed for the last 8 years has been any indication, the general hatred of Obama that compounded over the years emboldened my friends that were closet-racist in 2008 to become overtly racist by 2016.
Just out of curiosity, what do you define as "racist?"

This question is open to everyone. I'd like to see how different people perceive the term and what it implies.

The term "racist" has become so diluted and foggy that it can mean a wide range of things. And the extreme amount of race-baiting over the past 8 years has just made it more unclear.


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The race card has been exploited politically even in this thread earlier on.
The SJW's who decry intolerance display it themselves to the point of violence.

I have been a victim of so called reverse racism, as has my mother who lost a job she had for nearly 20 years to an incoming diversity hired manager who skipped several steps and took a personal agenda against my mother exploiting the race card to it's limits and costing my mother her job, the GM said they could not take a chance on a racial lawsuit, and my sister who is a hard working pillar of the community, she had to do the work of her receptionist as well as her own job because the lazy useless girl played the race card and drew a salary for nothing while my sister did her job too in total over a year.

It's getting more than old it's becoming instantly scrutinized as dishonest, not because of any intolerance, but because it's been exploited as a tool unfairly for so long.

Racism $exi5m and intolerance often means little more than someone is butthurt for not getting their way or someone wants an unfair advantage.

The concept that requiring ID to vote is racism, while suggesting minorities are too stupid to get a free ID is not, is a transparent exploitation of instigated racial guilt used to gain an unfair advantage.

Some 3 million illegal immigrants in California are said to have voted for Clinton without needing any ID, that wipes out her useless popular vote differential.
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Just out of curiosity, what do you define as "racist?"
I'd define it as a person that believes other races or ethnicities are lesser than and their race is superior to other races. Something like that.

Then you have bigoted which IMO isn't the same thing because it doesn't necessitate a specific ethnicity but rather gender, se-xual preferences, political preferences, financial standings ext.

In a nut shell if you make racial slurs then you hold racists beliefs so you qualify as a racist in my book.
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Slowly getting shocked about most of the comments ... and as a German I know what I'm talking about.
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What is the word for being afraid of being labeled a racist to the point of letting someone quietly get away with far more than anyone else could ever do? What ever I could call it, I believe that is part of the reason Obama was able to do so many outrageous things. In America, we have become afraid of the label of being a racist, especially if that individual is involved in a minority religion, then they get double freedom to do what they want to further their own racial and religious agendas. America has taken the issue of race discrimination and freedom of religion to the point where the issues have become inside out, now they are becoming the new threat.
Don't get me started with some of the crap I've seen in the military. Unless you are white, you could probably get away with almost anything. Mostly when it comes to personal appearance things. Regs are regs. Some examples of the BS.

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Many people are afraid to report or correct them due to the possibility of a complaint being turned in to the MEO office about discrimination. That's just one of the problems Obama caused.

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I did not vote for the new president elect but I'm also not loosing my mind over the outcome. The people of the United States have chosen their new commander in chief and although I remain quite skeptical of the outcome of the next 4 year term I also remain hopeful.
In all honesty I am glad he won over Clinton. At least with Trump the next 4 years is an unknown verses 4 more years of lies, power control, and corruption as would have been the case for Clinton. Also the second amendment will be defended and gun rights possibly expanded upon such as CCW reciprocity and removing suppressors and short barreled rifles from the NFA act.
Trump does IMO has some good ideas to bring manufacturing and industry back to the states as well as bringing the overseas billions of dollars back into the economy but his ignorant position on the environment namely climate change is very disturbing.
I think having all 3 branches of gvt in republican hands is a good thing. Lets see what they got so we can know more quickly if his plans are good for america or not. If yes then that's good for the nation, if not then we can move on in 4 years time rather than 8.
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The term "racist" has become so diluted and foggy that it can mean a wide range of things. And the extreme amount of race-baiting over the past 8 years has just made it more unclear.
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Racism to me is the judgement of another solely on the color of their skin. For example, every black guy is a gangbanger, anyone who looks hispanic is an illegal, and every korean guy manager the dry cleaners. Those assumptions without any support would be racism. Racism is a response based on the features of themselves, that people cannot control.

I do judge people based on how they chose to appear though. If you're dressed in clean jeans and a polo that fit you, I will certainly be less cautious than if you're wearing pants 3 size too large for you, sagging to your ankles, with a bunch of bling on your hands and neck, a loose tshirt, and a baseball cap that is turned sideways.
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Dislike someone because of their race and you are wrong, simple as that, but cultures, that is a matter of preference.

Here is the way I see things, I take everyone on a person by person basis, never assume anything because of their ancestral background, but some people are not comfortable with different cultures, even to be willing to broad stroke paint the races which are commonly associated with them to be what they dislike, but when we do that we aren't really thinking about the core problem. The problem comes from being comfortable with your own kind, and uncomfortable with others who aren't... once the attitudes start creeping in that race is somehow to fault, we loose perspective of the real issue and can never come to terms with what is really happening.

What miffs me off in America today is people of a completely different culture from mine insist that I must accept them, must swallow their BS under threat of being labeled a racist if I don't, well I know the difference between culture and race. We have a full spectrum of highly intelligent loving, creative, constructive people as well as low life discontent destructive individuals in every race, it's the behavior I either accept or reject.
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I treat everyone on an individual basis, but when I see anyone playing the race or gender card I dislike them for their action, they are worse than the misguided youth who doesn't understand, these crumbs understand and attempt to exploit at the cost of further division between people for their personal gain.

Often the person today pointing a finger yelling racist is worse than a racist, because people for the most part want to get along, that's what I see every day on the streets and in stores, only on TV do I see people yelling racism to further their own agenda.
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Some folks lives are centered around the wrongs they perceive have been visited upon their race, focusing upon race instead of the dynamics driving it, or the pure ignorance in some cases, but what ever the reason, to focus on that your entire life is a waste, there are better things in life to focus upon. Educate and illuminate where you can, but to have your entire life pivot around that kind of worry and dislike, that has got to be hell.
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As a white guy I cannot discuss racism without invoking a level 4 or 5 white privilege and that would just be wasteful.
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I do judge people based on how they chose to appear though. If you're dressed in clean jeans and a polo that fit you, I will certainly be less cautious than if you're wearing pants 3 size too large for you, sagging to your ankles, with a bunch of bling on your hands and neck, a loose tshirt, and a baseball cap that is turned sideways.
That's actually a fair point.

It's not all about skin colour, but also about what you wear, what you do and how you speak.

People might treat white people differetly depending on that as well. If someone walks in in biker attire, covered with tattoos, and can't produce a sentence without some profanity in it, you'd probably not hire that person as a sales rep for your pharmaceutical company, regardless of skin color.

Personally i have a small amount of asian genetics (1/8th to 1/16th indonesian/chinese, not even exactly sure). This is not immediately apparent, though other people with indonesian backgrounds tend to notice it sometimes.

My father is much more visibly part asian, but i guess for me most of that disappeared from my white-as-can-be mother.

Neither of us have ever been the victim of racism of any kind in europe though. But i feel that is also because we don't act like victims. Sometimes people crack a joke about colonial times and what not - we have a laugh about it if it's a good one.

It helps to fit in though. Speaking the language at above average level, dressing like the rest of the dutch, sharing the same values, humour and general way of life.

Surely I could act all indonesian and go sell bakso balls from a cart along the side of the road, dressed in a sarong and wearing a peci on my head. I bet people would address me as 'yo indo!' if i did, but should i blame them?

Not that i would take offense if someone referred to me as 'indo' (definition: someone of mixed european and indonesian descent) at all, if that is the most definining thing about me they can think of. I think such references are similar like 'that redhead from starbucks', 'the tall guy at the garage' or 'that bald old man at the supermarket' that just clarify which person you mean by their most noticable feature. This is not racism, and if you feel it is, go find a safe space to cry in


And as far as white privilege goes: Although i'm not technically fully white, i might "benefit" from that somehow. I never noticed, but never noticed any different treatment based on my skin colour or genetic background compared to the average white dutchman either.

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It is good to see an clear anti-racism theme running here.

Judging people in general without getting to know them first is something that should be prevented. I personally believe that there are right and wrong people in all races, age brackets etc. And people should only be judged on their actions that effect others. Stereotypes are horrible thing. I have heard stories locally to me about a teenager that had been falsely arrested for theft, simply because they were running at the time and they fitted the stereotype. A theft had occurred at a local shop round the corner, and when the police arrived they noticed a teenager running in the distance. The police promptly arrested the man, despite him having no possession of the item stolen. The police presumed he had quickly disposed of the item, but later released him as it turns out he was simply late for his bus to get to the job centre. His description was that of a man wearing a hoodie and baggy tracksuit. He was stereotyped simply on his appearance. This is a one out of many instances, whether it is race, gender, ***ual orientation, age etc. It all really needs to stop.

The other point though is that current culture isn't truly equalist. There are extremist feminists who want more than equal rights for women. They can play the feminism card. They also have women only events and organisations. There are blacks who also want more than equal rights. They can play the racism card. They also have black only events. Just look at the MOBO awards for example. It turns out the only people who don't have a card to play is white males. Racism and ***ism doesn't apply to white males for some reason. But soon as we mention anything back, we are breaking a moral boundary.

I fully stand up for equalisation. I believe the world would be so much better if everyone considered themselves equal. Unfortunately an example that this is in fact true and is going on is one of my own personal experiences. I once got reported in college to my senior tutor for upsetting a black girl. All throughout her time studying she was arguing for equality of black people and saying their shouldn't be a separation of black and white culture. Fair enough. Everyone agreed. But one day she was ecstatic about an athlete who had won a medal in the Olympics. It turned out to be a black athlete. All of a sudden she declared it a victory for just black people and how it showed that black people are capable of doing what white people can. I just simply stated that she couldn't do that. I explained that she had just separated herself again simply because the result is now positive. If she could do it why couldn't we. She went of crying and then played the race card on me. Luckily my senior tutor understood my point.

Does anyone agree or disagree with this?
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It is good to see an clear anti-racism theme running here.

Judging people in general without getting to know them first is something that should be prevented. I personally believe that there are right and wrong people in all races, age brackets etc. And people should only be judged on their actions that effect others. Stereotypes are horrible thing. I have heard stories locally to me about a teenager that had been falsely arrested for theft, simply because they were running at the time and they fitted the stereotype. A theft had occurred at a local shop round the corner, and when the police arrived they noticed a teenager running in the distance. The police promptly arrested the man, despite him having no possession of the item stolen. The police presumed he had quickly disposed of the item, but later released him as it turns out he was simply late for his bus to get to the job centre. His description was that of a man wearing a hoodie and baggy tracksuit. He was stereotyped simply on his appearance. This is a one out of many instances, whether it is race, gender, ***ual orientation, age etc. It all really needs to stop.

The other point though is that current culture isn't truly equalist. There are extremist feminists who want more than equal rights for women. They can play the feminism card. They also have women only events and organisations. There are blacks who also want more than equal rights. They can play the racism card. They also have black only events. Just look at the MOBO awards for example. It turns out the only people who don't have a card to play is white males. Racism and ***ism doesn't apply to white males for some reason. But soon as we mention anything back, we are breaking a moral boundary.

I fully stand up for equalisation. I believe the world would be so much better if everyone considered themselves equal. Unfortunately an example that this is in fact true and is going on is one of my own personal experiences. I once got reported in college to my senior tutor for upsetting a black girl. All throughout her time studying she was arguing for equality of black people and saying their shouldn't be a separation of black and white culture. Fair enough. Everyone agreed. But one day she was ecstatic about an athlete who had won a medal in the Olympics. It turned out to be a black athlete. All of a sudden she declared it a victory for just black people and how it showed that black people are capable of doing what white people can. I just simply stated that she couldn't do that. I explained that she had just separated herself again simply because the result is now positive. If she could do it why couldn't we. She went of crying and then played the race card on me. Luckily my senior tutor understood my point.

Does anyone agree or disagree with this?
I agree with you 100%. As for that last part about the black girl, that is sadly the liberal/snowflake common thought process in the world(esp the US) That is basically the foundation of the KKK, BLM, and all the whiny babies that are throwing temper tantrums over this election. its really getting old and I hope something happens that makes the majority of them wake up. But alas, that is probably wishful thinking. Thankfully over 50% woke up enough to elect Trump. So we are starting to head in the right direction.

My hope is that by the government swinging to the right that over time it starts to balance out. There are so many people in this country that are so far out in left field right now its scary. 8 years of division from a traitorous radical president sure didnt help. I hope Trump gets a 2nd term because I don't know if 4 years will be enough time for him to do enough positive to right all the crazy.
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