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I agree IE. No matter how hard you try to change people for better some are just a lost cause....

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It's almost sad really. All the SJW's preaching about tolerance and special (not equal!) rights for women.

They never spent any time in a country that is muslim for any length or time, nor even traveled much outside highly touristy areas.

Islamic nations are extremely intolerant of anyone but themselves. Yet we're supposed to accept that into our society. Hell no.
This depends on what you would call a 'muslim country'. I have been to many countries where muslims are the vast majority of the population, including places like morocco, egypt, jordan, lebanon, malaysa, indonesia and pre-civil-war syria.

One should understand that these countries have a mostly muslim population, but are mostly governed by what is essentially a secular government. They are not 'islamic states' with legislation based on shariah. In all of these countries, for example, alcohol is sold and legal to consume, it is not required by law for women to wear headscarfs or worse, or anything like that. People are also treated equally under the law (except in malaysia which has apartheid of sorts).

Islam is not compatible with the western way of life at all. Countries with a majority muslim population often only function because there is some kind of secular regime in place that, among other things, prevents the muslims from killing any non-muslims, or the wrong kind of muslims etc. If that authority fails, you bascially get current day syria or jemen.

In Europe we have a larger moslim population compared to the US, and they are making enough demands as it is. They sometimes declare their own 'safe space' or 'muslim areas' where they enforce sharia, a problem mostly found in britain but also in france.

These 'safe spaces' make 'deadly spaces' for non-muslims. Please remind yourself that in an islamic society not being a muslim in itself is enough reason to be killed - no need to actually DO anything "wrong" like drink alcohol, wear the wrong clothes or fornicate.

As an experiment i'd suggest setting up a shared 'safe space' for muslims, women and gay men. I'd suggest purchasing the body bags for the latter two groups before starting.
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Well said, it's not bigoted to take steps towards self preservation.

Fact: Letting in tons of Islamic migrants leads to major problems in the host country. They don't assimilate, and their cultural views towards women usually lead to a big increase in rape/***ual assaults.

Fact: Islam is generally a very intolerant religion. SJWs who want to embrace Islam in the name of tolerance have their head in the clouds. How is embracing a fundamentally intolerant religion going to improve the standing of women in society? The left continually bash on Christianity for mistreating women while ignoring the most misogynistic religion in the world.

If we want to preserve our culture, tolerance, and way of life, it's critical that we not open the floodgates letting in huge numbers of people following a very INTOLERANT religion. It's common sense at this point, and only radical SJW types are still in denial about it.

I disagree with some of what is being said here. We are letting in many Syrians into Canada (this year 25,000) and next year more will be on the way. I will have to say they are for the most part adapting well to society here. We are helping them integrate NOT assimilate. Yes, we realize that things are different here for them. Culture shock and severe PTSD will be challenges that will be an ongoing issue. Out of the many Syrian refugees I have taught this year, all have remembered my face and when I am walking around town I always get greeted, hugged and greeted with respect by them. A few have even become good friends.

I donated my gigantic fig crop this past July to a Syrian family and it gave them a taste of home. They were so grateful.

I have learned basic Arabic greetings and use it with them.

On Misogynistic religions, don't forget that fundamentalist & Orthodox Judaism also treats Women in very much the same manner. So I'd be careful about pointing out Islam as the only one here.
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On these demonstrations/riots I don't get why they are not in front of their local DNC office ready to tear the place down. The DNC stole their election from their own voters. Hillary used the same elitist influence to suppress their will which is exactly what they think the party is standing against. I do think Bernie would have won.

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I believe Bernie would have won too, Trump lucked out having Hillary being so manipulative as well as Wikileaks influence, a lot of other factors too from her past.
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My bet is these demonstrations were quickly organized by the DNC to distract their base giving them something to focus on other than burning the corrupt house to the ground while they restructure the party to retain power for the elite while saying they are for the people. Basically look at the monster over there while the leaders stay behind back doors so they can beat each other over the head trying to figure out what happened without scrutiny. And don't get me wrong the Republicans would be doing the same thing if they had lost in this same way.

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On these demonstrations/riots I don't get why they are not in front of their local DNC office ready to tear the place down. The DNC stole their election from their own voters. Hillary used the same elitist influence to suppress their will which is exactly what they think the party is standing against. I do think Bernie would have won.
Yup. Nobody to blame but Hillary and the crooked system that enabled her. They conspired against the will of the people to hand us all an extremely unlikable candidate, and then basically told us "at least she's better than Trump". Turns out 'better than Trump' wasn't enough of a reason to drive the voter turnout she needed to win.

Hillary still probably could've won if she had just dropped gun control from her platform. The polls all showed it wasn't popular and would only cost her votes. I mean who would vote for Hillary purely because they wanted gun control? Nobody! They'd all be voting for her anyway. It DID drive a lot of people away from her though, and for absolutely no benefit.

Her VP pick was also rather bewildering to me. The top complaint from the left about Hillary was that she wasn't progressive enough. What does she do? She picks the safest, blandest, most establishment oriented VP around. She basically gave a big middle finger to the progressives of the democratic party like she didn't care the slightest about their concerns.
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I think they need to reorganize/regroup and go after who really elected Trump. The DNC. Take their party away from these people that don't represent them.

Also I keep hearing this "popular vote" thing being beat to death by people who have been soo misinformed about it. Calling it some outdated system designed to disenfranchise when it is the only thing that protect minorities in a society.

I go back to a relevant example to one of the end progressive goals of globalization. If we get to a one world government and we accept a popular vote just about every countries voice becomes irrelevant China will decide the vote as they have the most people. This is mob rule. That is why popular vote is no good. No mob rule the hallmark of a republic.
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I've heard the complaint about mob rule for the last 40 plus years, after becoming more aware of what is really happening with our vote and when most people hear "mob rule" they shake their heads in agreement we shouldn't have that, but they are part of the mob themselves, just don't see it that way.

I am not happy with the popular vote issue, that systems means our votes won't always correlate to who gets into office, why do we have a "popular" vote anyway? I have never voted anyone into the electoral college to make decisions for me.
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One of the reasons I say the electoral college is not perfect but you don't want popular vote. If there is change for me it would be the winner take all of electors(which means the state popular makes all electors vote the same) but let the electors cast each of the votes based on the areas in the state they are assigned to. As the populations increased they should have changed that which would make it more like it was in the first 50 years of the country.
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Well said, it's not bigoted to take steps towards self preservation.

Fact: Letting in tons of Islamic migrants leads to major problems in the host country. They don't assimilate, and their cultural views towards women usually lead to a big increase in rape/***ual assaults.

Fact: Islam is generally a very intolerant religion. SJWs who want to embrace Islam in the name of tolerance have their head in the clouds. How is embracing a fundamentally intolerant religion going to improve the standing of women in society? The left continually bash on Christianity for mistreating women while ignoring the most misogynistic religion in the world.

If we want to preserve our culture, tolerance, and way of life, it's critical that we not open the floodgates letting in huge numbers of people following a very INTOLERANT religion. It's common sense at this point, and only radical SJW types are still in denial about it.
The best example I always hear is "it's only the radicals" until you realise those "radicals" are just practicing the fundamentals. I've seen a video where a huge hall of "regular" Sunni Muslims had to answer questions about people around them, rights etc and there's nothing radical about it, they're just savages. It took me a long long time to come round to this way of thinking but there's only so long you can keep your head in the clouds for.
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I disagree with some of what is being said here. We are letting in many Syrians into Canada (this year 25,000) and next year more will be on the way. I will have to say they are for the most part adapting well to society here. We are helping them integrate NOT assimilate. Yes, we realize that things are different here for them. Culture shock and severe PTSD will be challenges that will be an ongoing issue. Out of the many Syrian refugees I have taught this year, all have remembered my face and when I am walking around town I always get greeted, hugged and greeted with respect by them. A few have even become good friends.

I donated my gigantic fig crop this past July to a Syrian family and it gave them a taste of home. They were so grateful.

I have learned basic Arabic greetings and use it with them.

On Misogynistic religions, don't forget that fundamentalist & Orthodox Judaism also treats Women in very much the same manner. So I'd be careful about pointing out Islam as the only one here.
Taking in 25.000 syrians in canada will not likely create a big problem. It is a very small number compared to the population, and they may not even all be muslim (christians have a better reason to run).

Having been to syria twice i can say that the people there were very welcoming, friendly and tolerant to westeners. This was still under assad control though, and you would find a jewish liquor store right next to an arab bakery with no problems at all since there also was a police force firmly controlling the lot.

In europe the problems are quite visible. Countries that have about 5% of muslims or more see that they start demanding things. Prayer rooms in public buildings, construction of mosques, but also harass local population when they seem them eating in public during ramadan. In number they feel confident calling local women whores on the streets, cat call at them, even assault them and such.

Now back in syria they would have been punished for such behaviour since it was not negal there and police enforcement was strong. When police even approach them here they scream 'racist'.

To avoid problems like in europe i would advise to limit the number of muslim immigrants so that they make up no more than 1% of the population. At low numbers they pose little threat and should be treated like any other human. At low numbers they will also integrate better as they have to interact with the local population more. In europe they mostly concentrate in certain neighbourhoods and take control of them. This is were the big problems start.

In europe we made the mistake of letting this happen. We did so because we had good experiences with such concentrations of chinese, indonesian, thai, indian etc people that kept to themselves somewhat. This is similar to chinatowns in the US and usually not problematic - you can safely walk around one and may at worst have some language problems. Middle eastern populated areas are very different, and i hope you will not have to find out the hard way.
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Taking in 25.000 syrians in canada will not likely create a big problem. It is a very small number compared to the population, and they may not even all be muslim (christians have a better reason to run).

Having been to syria twice i can say that the people there were very welcoming, friendly and tolerant to westeners. This was still under assad control though, and you would find a jewish liquor store right next to an arab bakery with no problems at all since there also was a police force firmly controlling the lot.

In europe the problems are quite visible. Countries that have about 5% of muslims or more see that they start demanding things. Prayer rooms in public buildings, construction of mosques, but also harass local population when they seem them eating in public during ramadan. In number they feel confident calling local women whores on the streets, cat call at them, even assault them and such.

Now back in syria they would have been punished for such behaviour since it was not negal there and police enforcement was strong. When police even approach them here they scream 'racist'.

To avoid problems like in europe i would advise to limit the number of muslim immigrants so that they make up no more than 1% of the population. At low numbers they pose little threat and should be treated like any other human. At low numbers they will also integrate better as they have to interact with the local population more. In europe they mostly concentrate in certain neighbourhoods and take control of them. This is were the big problems start.

In europe we made the mistake of letting this happen. We did so because we had good experiences with such concentrations of chinese, indonesian, thai, indian etc people that kept to themselves somewhat. This is similar to chinatowns in the US and usually not problematic - you can safely walk around one and may at worst have some language problems. Middle eastern populated areas are very different, and i hope you will not have to find out the hard way.
We have pledged to take in much more than 25,000 Syrians.. More like closer to 50,000 will arrive by next year (so another 25000-35000). We already have Muslim areas in around Vancouver and Victoria with populations from islamic nations nearing 30,000 (Delta area) and it is though that the total population in BC is closer to 150,000 - 170,000. We have not had a single problem. Islam in Canada is as old as Canada (going back to the 1860s.)

I beileve the problems in Europe stem from how migrants and immigrants are treated in general. They aren't integrated well at all.
Also from what I saw in France back in 1996 (now is far worse situation) visible minorites are routinely descriminated against. Europe clearly makes it known that Europe is for Europeans only and anyone else is a 2nd class citizen.

If society pushes refugees into a corner, how are refugees expected to survive and be able to come to understand the cultural norms of society?

I experienced how bad the situation was in France in 1996 towards Rwandan / other African refugees. The situation now is far worse than it was when I was in France. Many african migrants live in Ghettos outside of major cities all pushed together.

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" We should not be forced to tolerate intolerance. "

Exactly right Infinitus Equitas, you are exactly right.

Some of these progressives need to point their judgmental finger at a mirror.
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The situation as Ben alludes to in Europe is exactly right, and it's getting scary real in the U.K. Sharia law is even being talked about in government and you don't have to look far to find examples of immigrants openly saying that they own the place and that soon we will be under their rule. "Hate crimes" here towards Muslims in particular are taken very seriously but when the shoe is on the other foot the consequences are often less severe.

People here need to wake up. If we were more American in our ways when it comes to home defence, thefts like car crime to order, where perps will break into your house and steal your keys, wouldn't be nearly as prevalent. Here, if someone breaks into your house you are only allowed to use "reasonable force" and that's IF they attack you. So if someone breaks in, goes straight for your keys and runs out, without even making an advance towards you, by law you can't touch them. I understand that insurance exists for this reason but the premise is still mind boggling - it's my understanding that in the US if someone breaks into your property you are more or less at will to kill them if that's the extent it takes to remove them, a strong deterrent that just doesn't exist this side of the ocean.
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Yikes, problem is, if some countries adopt such a position it can spread, I don't want that spreading here. However, there have been some Americans put in jail for shooting an intruder because the court ruled the killing was unreasonable. Much depends upon where you live in the US, about 30 years ago my brother shot and killed an intruder in his apartment and he went through a huge court ordeal and expenses to get out of being charged with manslaughter, which he did.
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