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Little substance, those things happened and continue to happen where Obama is concerned, no spin, that is a great word but it doesn't fit Obama. Yes, Bush did bad things, I am not happy with what happened or many of the things which have happened since 911, a lot of mistakes, wrong doings were done. I don't blame much of the world for seeing the US as the aggressor, we have been, and now I am in Iraq helping push back ISIS which we created in the first place. I have no doubts there will be a very high price for what we did to come.


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Here in Iraq, I sometimes see hate in the eyes of the locals, not often, but sometimes.... towards me, as an American. I don't blame them, what we did to their country under Bush was simply wrong, the first invasion I think was good, but when we came back to finish the business as many saw it, that is where we went too far. Yes, we have destabilized the middle east and I have no doubts that was part of the plan in some government think tank, I heard word years ago what the plan was, to take down the government of several of these countries, including Syria. We have just about done that, I say we, because I am an American, but I don't see the need to do these things, maybe I am ignorant and if I saw the bigger picture I would feel differently, but right now I see a lot of wrong moves, one is the the support of the Saudi's after their involvement with 911, which is now clear.
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Looks like he's been on since then though, so probably just taking it easy.

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Little substance, those things happened and continue to happen where Obama is concerned, no spin, that is a great word but it doesn't fit Obama. Yes, Bush did bad things, I am not happy with what happened or many of the things which have happened since 911, a lot of mistakes, wrong doings were done. I don't blame much of the world for seeing the US as the aggressor, we have been, and now I am in Iraq helping push back ISIS which we created in the first place. I have no doubts there will be a very high price for what we did to come.
I'd disagree about the US creating ISIS.. It most certainly did not create it as it comes from deep within Saudi Arabia and is part of a larger movement within Radicalized Sunni Islam.
The US continues to do business with the Saudis and that is a big part of the problem.

The Free Syrian Army however is backed directly by the US, Qatar, UK, Turkey.etc.. however they are also labeled as a Jihadist organization by the UN and have been accused of committing some pretty heinous war crimes including beheadings. Yet surprisingly they are a mix of different islamic sects and Coptic christian groups. I know... that doesn't fit the stereotype mold for your typical head choppers.
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OK took a small group of people and trained and funded them with millions of dollars, they would have never become a power without our money first. I call that creating the problem, what ever way you look at it, we are directly responsible for their becoming the problem they are now. You can go back further regarding what created them, even to their very birth if you want.
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The US created ISIS by destroying the regime that kept it in check. They had no business removing eastern dictatorship that was nothing to do with them, that in turn allowed the rise of lawlessness.
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Any way you slice it, we caused it, because they have 1500 years of teaching, I call it genetic memory, others call it instinct, such as when baby birds know which way to fly off the cliff where they are born to make it through the narrow pass that they can't see.

This is why people living a seemingly normal life can be radicalized and go off to kill co-wokers while they have children at home, or fly airplanes into buildings.

It's in their deep subconscious and can be triggered through anger.

Think about it, I have felt that want to help people, and feel good when I do, also I get that feeling that I would be a good soldier, my employer's love it because I work hard, but these core " instincts " are in me and if I had 1500 years of religious brainwash in my lineage I could likely be pre disposed to instinct.

This is why letting in throngs of unvetted Syrian refugees is a bad idea, and allowing Islamic communities in America to hold Sharia Law Tribunals to settle minor and marital disputes is the beginning of something bad.

To fix the problem we must understand it, and that means accepting some uncomfortable truths, Islamic immigrants are more prone/susceptible to radicalization.

And as always there is strength in numbers, critical mass is around 10% I have heard, when Islamic immigrants reach 10% the jihad bug spreads like wildfire.

Call me a racist, I don't care, I don't want them in my Country and I voted for Trump, Now we stop the inflow and send the illegals out, it's called self preservation and you cant evolve above it if the potential radicals won't teach their young a new way, take the jihad and hate for infidels out of the brainwash...I mean teaching.

Look, embrace our law, our language and don't teach your kids about hate and killing Christians, or get out.
Too harsh? Ok then we either break our own rules about freedom of speech...NO, or we limit the size of the immigrant population with the propensity to radicalize so several generations can grow up with the new teachings and genetic memory.

Look at the history of terrorist attacks in America by Islamic extremist, there is a direct coloration to the population size and the number of attacks, so we must limit the size of that immigrant community, or accept the carnage as the cost for our evolved non judgmental acceptance.......

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Yea, he is right, this is more complex than I indicated earlier, but I still think the training and money we poured into their organization is what gave it the push to gain momentum. That and of course, your point too, good point.
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Oh YES, we poked the hornets nest in our preemptive bla de bla, we fixed it real good LMFAO
Actually it's not funny, but I have to laugh because it's so screwed up, our brave young men in wheelchairs and dead for what? Following orders I know, and right now American weapons are blowing up Russian tanks and helicopters.

Go Trump, fix some of this mess, keep a base everywhere and an ear to the ground, but get away from the old arming one side and then the other, unless we want them to kill each other for us...... yes, there's our evolved humanity, actually I like helping them to kill each other too keep them busy better than putting our boots on the ground, but we are still poking the hornets nets.

What's the answer? I destroy completely hornets if they are a problem, otherwise I live and let live.

Or we can do what the liberals want and break in half all our sharp sticks, mix together in one big pot, and see what happens........It won't work. Not everyone is ready to be part of the SINGULARITY. Some of us appreciate our individuality and our freedom.
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I'd kind of scared and happy about the next 4 years.

I wasn't a fan of the 2 primary candidates. Hillary for obvious reasons. It's hard to tell what Trump will really be like. I doubt he will build a rediculous wall. Something does need to be done about immigration though. With all the FB posts about the crazy Hollywood people moving to Canada, it seems like Canada actually enforces their laws and makes it hard to enter. I don't mind immigrates as long as they come here legally, contribute to society, follow the laws, and don't mooch off of taxpayers.

I'm happy because Hillary didn't win and Obama will be gone.
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Any way you slice it, we caused it, because they have 1500 years of teaching, I call it genetic memory, others call it instinct, such as when baby birds know which way to fly off the cliff where they are born to make it through the narrow pass that they can't see.

This is why people living a seemingly normal life can be radicalized and go off to kill co-wokers while they have children at home, or fly airplanes into buildings.

It's in their deep subconscious and can be triggered through anger.

Think about it, I have felt that want to help people, and feel good when I do, also I get that feeling that I would be a good soldier, my employer's love it because I work hard, but these core " instincts " are in me and if I had 1500 years of religious brainwash in my lineage I could likely be pre disposed to instinct.

This is why letting in throngs of unvetted Syrian refugees is a bad idea, and allowing Islamic communities in America to hold Sharia Law Tribunals to settle minor and marital disputes is the beginning of something bad.

To fix the problem we must understand it, and that means accepting some uncomfortable truths, Islamic immigrants are more prone/susceptible to radicalization.

And as always there is strength in numbers, critical mass is around 10% I have heard, when Islamic immigrants reach 10% the jihad bug spreads like wildfire.

Call me a racist, I don't care, I don't want them in my Country and I voted for Trump, Now we stop the inflow and send the illegals out, it's called self preservation and you cant evolve above it if the potential radicals won't teach their young a new way, take the jihad and hate for infidels out of the brainwash...I mean teaching.

Look, embrace our law, our language and don't teach your kids about hate and killing Christians, or get out.
Too harsh? Ok then we either break our own rules about freedom of speech...NO, or we limit the size of the immigrant population with the propensity to radicalize so several generations can grow up with the new teachings and genetic memory.

Look at the history of terrorist attacks in America by Islamic extremist, there is a direct coloration to the population size and the number of attacks, so we must limit the size of that immigrant community, or accept the carnage as the cost for our evolved non judgmental acceptance.......

p.s. This is my opinion, not hate speech and I will say what I want, don't like it, OK, want to debate it, OK, but I will say what I think as I like, it's my right and I'm not giving it up while there is a breath left in my body.
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Any way you slice it, we caused it, because they have 1500 years of teaching, I call it genetic memory, others call it instinct, such as when baby birds know which way to fly off the cliff where they are born to make it through the narrow pass that they can't see.

This is why people living a seemingly normal life can be radicalized and go off to kill co-wokers while they have children at home, or fly airplanes into buildings.

It's in their deep subconscious and can be triggered through anger.

Think about it, I have felt that want to help people, and feel good when I do, also I get that feeling that I would be a good soldier, my employer's love it because I work hard, but these core " instincts " are in me and if I had 1500 years of religious brainwash in my lineage I could likely be pre disposed to instinct.

This is why letting in throngs of unvetted Syrian refugees is a bad idea, and allowing Islamic communities in America to hold Sharia Law Tribunals to settle minor and marital disputes is the beginning of something bad.

To fix the problem we must understand it, and that means accepting some uncomfortable truths, Islamic immigrants are more prone/susceptible to radicalization.

And as always there is strength in numbers, critical mass is around 10% I have heard, when Islamic immigrants reach 10% the jihad bug spreads like wildfire.

Call me a racist, I don't care, I don't want them in my Country and I voted for Trump, Now we stop the inflow and send the illegals out, it's called self preservation and you cant evolve above it if the potential radicals won't teach their young a new way, take the jihad and hate for infidels out of the brainwash...I mean teaching.

Look, embrace our law, our language and don't teach your kids about hate and killing Christians, or get out.
Too harsh? Ok then we either break our own rules about freedom of speech...NO, or we limit the size of the immigrant population with the propensity to radicalize so several generations can grow up with the new teachings and genetic memory.

Look at the history of terrorist attacks in America by Islamic extremist, there is a direct coloration to the population size and the number of attacks, so we must limit the size of that immigrant community, or accept the carnage as the cost for our evolved non judgmental acceptance.......

p.s. This is my opinion, not hate speech and I will say what I want, don't like it, OK, want to debate it, OK, but I will say what I think as I like, it's my right and I'm not giving it up while there is a breath left in my body.
Well said, it's not bigoted to take steps towards self preservation.

Fact: Letting in tons of Islamic migrants leads to major problems in the host country. They don't assimilate, and their cultural views towards women usually lead to a big increase in rape/***ual assaults.

Fact: Islam is generally a very intolerant religion. SJWs who want to embrace Islam in the name of tolerance have their head in the clouds. How is embracing a fundamentally intolerant religion going to improve the standing of women in society? The left continually bash on Christianity for mistreating women while ignoring the most misogynistic religion in the world.

If we want to preserve our culture, tolerance, and way of life, it's critical that we not open the floodgates letting in huge numbers of people following a very INTOLERANT religion. It's common sense at this point, and only radical SJW types are still in denial about it.
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Fact: Islam is generally a very intolerant religion. SJWs who want to embrace Islam in the name of tolerance have their head in the clouds. How is embracing a fundamentally intolerant religion going to improve the standing of women in society? The left continually bash on Christianity for mistreating women while ignoring the most misogynistic religion in the world.


It's almost sad really. All the SJW's preaching about tolerance and special (not equal!) rights for women.

They never spent any time in a country that is muslim for any length or time, nor even traveled much outside highly touristy areas.

Islamic nations are extremely intolerant of anyone but themselves. Yet we're supposed to accept that into our society. Hell no. One of the areas where I very strongly agree with Trump. We need secure borders. We need background checks, in so much as possible, for immigrants. Illegal immigration needs to be curtailed.

Now in terms of what happens with the people living here who are illegal aliens (how that's an offensive term rather then a legal one now, is beyond me) there I'm of a different view. I think where people are already here, can prove that they have a place to live, have a history of, or are employed, and don't have a criminal record, aside from crimes related to not being legal residents, I think those people should be given a clear path to citizenship. We are a country of immigrants, and that should not be overlooked.

That said, enough with the tolerance BS. Not all people are good, not all people are tolerant, and we should not be forced to tolerate intolerance.
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It's almost sad really. All the SJW's preaching about tolerance and special (not equal!) rights for women.

They never spent any time in a country that is muslim for any length or time, nor even traveled much outside highly touristy areas.

Islamic nations are extremely intolerant of anyone but themselves. Yet we're supposed to accept that into our society. Hell no. One of the areas where I very strongly agree with Trump. We need secure borders. We need background checks, in so much as possible, for immigrants. Illegal immigration needs to be curtailed.

Now in terms of what happens with the people living here who are illegal aliens (how that's an offensive term rather then a legal one now, is beyond me) there I'm of a different view. I think where people are already here, can prove that they have a place to live, have a history of, or are employed, and don't have a criminal record, aside from crimes related to not being legal residents, I think those people should be given a clear path to citizenship. We are a country of immigrants, and that should not be overlooked.

That said, enough with the tolerance BS. Not all people are good, not all people are tolerant, and we should not be forced to tolerate intolerance.
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