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The reason there is so much talk about the popular vote is it the participation trophy that makes them feel better about what happened and something they can blame other than the flawed strategy of not working to try to understand these people in the center of the country instead saying they are deplorable basically calling them names whenever they want to have a debate on n issue which worked to shame them into paralysis for two election cycles so far but you punch someone in the face they may stand there stunned for a bit but if you keep doing it over a period of time eventually they will snap and fight like their life is on the line which is what we saw... This constitutional republic was set up very wisely with great foresight of the different ways humans tend to live either in cities vs spread out in more rural thinly populated communities. The idea on the most extreme example would be the entire country being ruled by some distant mega city with a large chunk of the national population living in their own bubble out of touch with the other different communities of the rest of the country with no need to understand them. This system gives all areas of this country real weight behind their representation so that the representation reflects the country as a whole and not mob rule. Just think of how it is now say one of the states like California or Texas which have a solid percentage of the population but with vastly different views and united on a polarized stance the rest of the states if they have a fair mix then the large state basically becomes the final decider every time and it always goes their way. The electoral college certainly is not perfect but it works a lot better than mob rule.

Or even better example would be say we go with this push for globalization get a one world government and push for a popular vote. Then China always get the last say.

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I'm glad I don't have to worry about finding a way to afford more guns in a short amount of time. I was sweating that pretty hard. I can't afford a few thousand in guns and accessories, but tell me I "can't" have them and I will find a way. I'm still planning on purchasing an AR-15, just now it isn't so much an urgent thing.

I am also hoping he finds a way to reduce my monthly health insurance premium, 800.00 a month just for the premium is outrageous. I don't know if he can/will but it seems like he wants to work on it. I have been on Obamacare and it doesn't work well, that is speaking from experience. I want people to be able to get insurance but I see no reason that I should pay out the nose for it.

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I find it absolutely bizarre that after 8 years a president cannot run for a third term and yet for 3 decades, 20 of those years were Bush or Clinton, only broken by Barack, and it was very nearly made to 24 years with Hillary almost scraping a win. How's that democratic?
I think it would be equally bizarre if there was a law that said you cannot be president if your father, uncle or spouse was president before. Another question would be how distant the relationship would have to be - is an uncle okay, or a grandfather?

The 22nd ammendment is also a fairly unique thing to the US, in most countries a president can be re-elected as many times as it actually happens. These days it doesnt happen very often, but there are some that serve 3 terms or more.

In this case this rule probably cost the democrats the election, i reckon obama would have stood a much better chance against trump.
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Still have the rest of the year for executive orders. I hope he just sits on his hands and watches the world burn from a golf course for the remainder. He has already done so much. I hope Bernie likes his new house he really earned it.
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Then there was this...

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/23/us...ghts.html?_r=0)

More reason not to believe everything the media tells you.

Where's Paul? He's been awful quiet since the results...
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You find it odd because you appear to agree with some of the things Obama was doing, if not all of them. I don't see it that way, I disagreed with most of what he was doing, underhanded lying to the American public, first when running for office about how open and transparent he would be in his administration, then regarding Obama care. I bet if I googled all of the things he lied about and didn't do or was the complete opposite of what he promised us while running for office I would fill several paragraphs. Not that this kind of thing isn't unusual, all of the past presidents I've seen run for office have done it some, but this guy takes the cake away with how much he did it.

I don't find it odd at all, I am glad they fought him at every turn and I am not against anyones race, that is ignorance my friend, I might be flawed in many ways, but being racist isn't one of them and I was against him after I saw how he misrepresented what he was going to do as president, he joined the elite just like a slick CEO banker, forgetting where he came from except for his Muslim connections.
I guess I must be completely looking at the wrong thing.... What did Barak Obama lie to the public about? I hear lots of people saying that he lied about something. I am still mystified about what exactly that something was.

I find some of the comments from FOX and CNN by guest speakers truly perplexing and totally irrational at times. From our Canadian perspective we as a people ( I'm only generalizing here a bit) can't understand why concept of universal health care is so offensive to Republicans? We also can't understand why drug companies in the US gouge your public to the point of bankruptcy and that is seen as being perfectly ok...


Our countries differ vastly in politics. In our system both the Democrats and Republicans are seen as both right of centre parties.

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Just google "Obama lies" and you will find links like this:

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President Barack Obama campaigned on a promise of hope and change — that his would be the most transparent administration in history.

What we’ve come to find out is Mr. Obama’s White House is one that promotes a culture of deceit, one that serially lies to the American public to protect his political legacy.

Mr. Obama will do anything, say anything, to secure his agenda. Hillary Clinton is also well-versed in this Saul Alinksy-type modus operandi, where you pick your target, freeze it, personalize it, then polarize it. Truth be damned.

Let’s review some of the falsehoods dictated to the American people by the White House — starting with the most recent. Then ask yourself — do you want another four years of this duplicity masterminded by Mrs. Clinton?
Drug companies, doctors, lawyers.... they all have the American people by the ballz, so to speak.... they have made laws to protect themselves to keep their cash cows in line to protect their professions or products which are over priced. America has become a corrupt system in many ways, our government now supporting corporations more than the average person. Why, because of greed, simple greed, corporations bribe our so called representatives one way or another, sometimes cash, sometimes promises for the future, or bringing them into their fold later... it is illegal, but when you have power, there are ways and there are ways... i.e. speaking fees of a hundred thousand dollars to come make an hour talk at your business, not a bribe? Yes, it is, payback for past help.

Sometimes our leaders do things which they know will create a problem they must come to the rescue for, then give the contracts to fix the problem to either their friends, or to individuals who will give some kind of reward for choosing them later. That is how Washington DC works and why we hope an outsider such as Trump might push some of it back in their laps. Clinton is and remains as one of those who are quite comfortable raking in cash for favors, she has been bribed with hundreds of millions of dollars doing so through their "Clinton Foundation", much of the money from foreign sources. What a laugh, she has been a security risk, no not risk, violator, of our national security for awhile now and yet she wanted to hold office in our countries highest position and the democrat party supported her? If that doesn't tell your how corrupt Washington DC has become, what else does anyone need?

OK, give me a million dollars and I will shut the hell up about all of this, maybe even for 100K, probably much less as I need the money. See how human nature is? Trump doesn't need the money, not so easy to get him to jump through hoops or shut up. Only thing they can do now is kill him, or cause him to get some fast acting cancer or perhaps a heart attack. Few of us have any doubts today what the establishment did to stop Kennedy, hold on to your seats folks, this might turn the other way.

Used to be such views would be seen as conspiracy, but today this view is becoming so common it can't be called that, only the truth. Labels like that don't work anymore and push has come to shove. Short of an alien invasion or killer meteor headed our way to detract us, I don't think this movement can be stopped now.

diachi, thanks for the post, that is great to see. Let them eat crow, lots of them. Paul just emailed me, he was out for awhile unable to get online but will be back.
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Obama lies constantly.

I watch Obama speak and often I know what he says is more than a mistake, it's a flat out lie, many times I have heard Obama tell a bold faced lie, not a small lie or a mistake, but a lie meant to deceive people who don't know better, he has done it often.
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Just google "Obama lies" and you will find links like this:

Obama's lies kill public's trust - Washington Times

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Drug companies, doctors, lawyers.... they all have the American people by the ballz, so to speak.... they have made laws to protect themselves to keep their cash cows in line to protect their professions or products which are over priced. America has become a corrupt system in many ways, our government now supporting corporations more than the average person. Why, because of greed, simple greed, corporations bribe our so called representatives one way or another, sometimes cash, sometimes promises for the future, or bringing them into their fold later... it is illegal, but when you have power, there are ways and there are ways... i.e. speaking fees at hundreds of thousands of dollars to come make an hour talk at your business, not a bribe? Yes, it is, payback for past help.
Yeh I looked at the Article from the WT... It's a lot of spin with strikingly little substance. None of these are really huge and compared to your last President who knowingly used falsified intelligence to invade Iraq to secure it's assets (oil) starting the largest (Sunni backed) insurgencies in modern day history. GW Bush should have been tried as an International war criminal for abusing his power of office.
I say Barack Obama is doing pretty well thanks. He still had to tow the line of the Democratic party. I DO like the fact that he attempted to normalize relations with Iran. Iran is NOT the enemy many Americans think it is. In Fact they absolutely want to see the Saud family gone and the ceasing of the Saudi Government funding ISIS. Yes, the Iranians dabble in Nuclear technology both for domestic energy and as an active deterrent.. so who doesn't? Israel has Nukes, Saudi Arabia has them, Jordan has them...



btw, You'll still be paying for that invasion for years to come. The middle east will NEVER forgive the invasion because of the instability it brought to the surrounding nations and deaths of 100,000s innocent civilians that it caused.

Speaking of hypocrisy. Your country still continues to back The Kingdom of Saudi-Arabi with small arms shipments and heavy weaponry, yet it's Government turns around and actively gives financial support and hardware to support ISIS to spread Wahibibi style sunni sect "Islam". (Sharia)
I think this would summed up nicely as "causing your own problem"?


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Name a politician that hasn't lied? A politician lies because that is what they do, they have to tow to a party agenda even if that means breaking a few promises. That is reality.
Do you think a president will come out and share classified information with the press?
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So when Obama gives weapons to " moderates " who blow up Russian tanks, is he lying about the " moderates " being freedom fighters, or are we secretly destabilizing a government through a proxy for political gain?

I like the concept of extreme vetting, or building a safe zone in Syria for the refugees, why put Americans at risk of radicalized or persons susceptible to radicalization?

Sorry but I am on our side and although we want to help I think we would do better to stay out of most of it because too often we back one side and then the other and the American citizen never knows if we are being lied to or not.

In the end everyone hates us.


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QUOTE: Speaking of hypocrisy. Your country still continues to back The Kingdom of Saudi-Arabi with small arms shipments and heavy weaponry, yet it's Government turns around and actively gives financial support and hardware to support ISIS to spread Wahibibi style sunni sect "Islam". (Sharia)
I think this would summed up nicely as "causing your own problem"? : QUOTE


Exactly the problem and why we should stay out of it unless we want to take control and run the place, half measures always fail in time.
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