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No matter who wins the other is going to sue and raise hell about voter fraud, this won't be over after the election.

With new revelations of Clintons treason and pay for play through her foundation other people around her can be charged, but remember we have a corrupt justice department.
So maybe, hopefully, GOD PLEASE, we get Trump and any unrest is settled down in short order, a few days maybe, but if we get Hillary it will go on and on, it has too, she's a tyrannical criminal and will wipe her fat a$$ with our Bill of Rights, animosity will build and an internal struggle could be dependent on her pace, maybe people accept it if she backs off the gas and only builds Chinese factory Cities and sell us out slowly without trampling our rights as her 1st priority, or she may grab too much too fast and set the country on fire.

I pray we get Trump and it can be over after Hillary cries Russian this and that and some mush heads riot for a few days, but if we get Hillary I fear lasting troubles that could change our daily way of life significantly for a long time.

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I am still suspecting some kind of fast business which will change all of this before the election.
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I am waiting to hear something any time now, Barry is on his way out of office, but his true motivations and those of Huma are something we are not supposed to even speculate about, however the information is out there, the moderates we have been arming, the many appointments Barry has made, we got some change alright.

I love our Country and don't want to see people hurt, but our Constitution must be defended, our boarders must be secured, and our future protected from those who wish to destroy us.

I am amazed that so many people are mostly concerned about soap opera stupidity when we are facing a collapsing system, the corruption is in everyone's face, yet I hear people talking about who said something mean 20 years ago, it boggles the mind how many Americans have no clue how things work and why, they know nothing of history or the true horrors people face without the protections of our Constitution.

I expect anything at this point because we are and have been under attack.

Financial debt is a weapon and we have been hit hard, it's a ticking clock that we must take control of or we will face the inevitable collapse, the problem is it snowballs fast near the end and so many people just don't understand the basic concept.
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Chiming in from europe: you can lose all of that and still live a relatively normal live. This is -not- a desireable situation to be in by any means though, and if you can prevent it, do so.

9/11 gave you an enemy of sorts. There is no politically correct way to go around this issue. In euope we tried, and got numerous terroist attacks as a favour. Individually these attacks are small compared to 9/11, but they keep happening and eventually their death toll will rise above the loss on that single day in the US. We have no practical way of dealing with this so far, and that is unlikely to be different in the US.
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Am I depressed if when I see the direction America is going with our impending financial crash to think, well, at least I am 60 years old and if things to to hell, I won't have to live through a lot of it? But my children, they can't escape it.
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I think about the timeline but there are many variables, our quality of life may be a lot different over the next decade. A Clinton tax increase that keeps on increasing each year and the middle class becomes just slightly less poor people.

When the dollar eventually implodes Uncle Sam inherits everything as lifetime savings accounts evaporate and everyone will be forced to live hand to mouth.
Gold ownership will be a hording felony except for a small allowance of wedding jewelry.

Under someone like Hillary we could see Chinese factory cities in America, they could run our electric and water infrastructure, even our police and in time a large part of our military, unthinkable but under someone like Hillary it could happen. She is not going to live forever and I doubt she gives a dam about her offspring. Land could pay off debt.

We could be living a very different life in 10 years, if we get a Hillary and her SCOTUS rubber stamps her every royal decree as Constitutional as per their interpretation we will not be the same.

Tax increases each year could destroy the middle class, everyone will need food stamps if you make 5000 a year or 500,000 a year after the "Fair play for everyone." taxes we will all live the same and we won't dare talk about it online.

But hopefully the American people won't allow it, we are being tested now.


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At this point it is beyond clear to all that the currently political system is out of control. While we keep focusing on the executive branch here, the reality is all three are broken, and one is essentially running on inertia. Congressmen and Senators have no time limits, and at time sit for decades, and due to their statuses, accumulated favors, and backroom deals can practically get away with murder. Others take the short route, sell out for a specific vote, and get out with the equivalent of a golden parachute.

Most people have no idea who their congressmen are, what their positions are, what their records are. Not even worth touching city, and county politics. I'd bet fewer than 1 in 20 people in general know much at all about their more local (and arguably more important) politics.

The reason for that I believe, is that people have mostly lost hope, and become apathetic. When the head of the so called justice department pleads the fifth, which you are only allowed to do if you risk incriminating yourself, you know something's rotten to the core. On a day to day basis, people have also list faith in the most direct way they typically interact with government officials. Specifically cops. Seeing case after case, after case of local, state, fbi, dea cbp, and others, where there is clear misconduct but nothing happens. There are to many cases where cops have literally gotten away with murder, on camera, and faced no criminal repercussions. Even when cops are forced out from one department, they are still able to apply at another, and usually get hired. It's no longer a case of a single bad apple, but rather of a completely rotten and spoiled barrel, with maybe one or two good apples.

Bottom line, is things are getting worse, and the current political process has failed. The US will either experience another revolution, or become more or less a dictatorship. Either way, things will only get worse in the short term, and by than I mean 10-20 years.

Neither shillary nor frump will make all that much of a difference in that near long term. They are just cogs in a machine, and can only do so much. One can cause the machine to have some hiccups, the other will keep things running creaking along pretty much as they are.

In the meantime, the average life expectancy of americans, across all age brackets, is dropping for the first time in decades.
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This is correct but I don't see a single one of these you could not superimpose Hillarys picture under. Like looking in a mirror.


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Here's a partial list of crimes that Hillary likely faces, not counting accessory to murder and treason for Benghazi.

18USC§201 Bribery

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•18USC§371 Conspiracy

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•18USC§1519 Destruction (Alteration Or Falsification) Of Records In Federal Investigation

•18USC§1621 Perjury (Including Documents Signed Under Penalties Of Perjury)

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Would not hurt my feelings to see everyone in congress thrown out of off, along with the president and vice president for a complete reset, then start it back up with new, yet to be corrupted people, I would hope.
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Would not hurt my feelings to see everyone in congress thrown out of off, along with the president and vice president for a complete reset, then start it back up with new, yet to be corrupted people, I would hope.
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Didn't Australia do something like this?
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Oh well, din't all europeans countries do that at some point in history?

More interesting question if it helps things in the long term, and the answer seems to be 'not really'. Surely the french made good work of beheading royalty a bit over 200 years ago. The country is a still a republic, but also one with carreer politicians that aren't trusted by the population and such.

Even if you forcibly remove those in power it will not take long for a new elite to established.

You would think these things could be different in the current information age that allows more transparancy, but this does not seem to hold true. One prima example of this would be the 'arab spring' which failed to deliver positive change in numerous countries, and sent a couple of them into the bad kind of anarchy.
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