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YAWN. This is something I found interesting. A ballot measure in Arizona this November called Prop 205 would make it legal for adults to possess, buy and grow marijuana. It is being fought hard by Arizonans for Responsible Drug Policy which has taken in donations $2.1 million. The main contributors are self interest groups like Services Group of America who contract to serve meals to inmates in prison (the legalization would cut back on inmates), The Arizona Wine and Spirits Wholesale Association who are concerned about the "share the buzz" issue, and Insys Therapeutics who develop pharmaceutical cannabinoids and would lose market share if laws like Prop 205 were enacted.


Edit: @ RedCowboy. Trump and Clinton are pretty much the same on the issue of marijuana. Trump says he want to leave it up to the states to decide about medical marijuana and Clinton feels the medical side should be lowered from a Schedule I drug, which according to the federal government has no medicinal value, to Schedule II which is the same as prescription meds. Trump isn't in favor of legalized marijuana for recreational use and Clinton wants to see what the states do before she enacts any federal changes. So, it seems that Clinton would change federal law to make it a prescription drug right away and if states continue to legalize it for recreational use, she would be willing to make federal law catch up. I don't have a dog in this fight as i don't use it myself, but feel it should be legal for everyone who wants it. Either way, it will be up to the rest of the states to legalize recreational use first.
Yeah, the conflicts of interest are usually pretty blatant when you look at opponents of cannabis law reform. They're almost always related to big pharma/big prison/big alcohol/big law enforcement etc.
Maker of Deadly Fentanyl Kicks in Half a Million to Defeat Pot Legalization in Arizona

By Phillip Smith / AlterNet September 9, 2016

Marijuana legalization advocates have long argued that pharmaceutical companies, which could lose out if marijuana is legally available, are some of the staunchest supporters of pot prohibition, and now an Arizona company is making their case for them.

According to campaign finance reports posted online by the Arizona secretary of state's office, fentanyl manufacturer Insys Therapuetics has donated $500,000 to foes of the Prop 205 marijuana legalization initiative.

Fentanyl is a synthetic opioid several dozen times more potent than heroin. It has been linked to numerous opioid overdose deaths across the country, especially when mixed with heroin. Marijuana, on the other hand, has no reported overdose deaths, ever.

Insys isn't just any pharmaceutical company. Its sole product is Subsys, a sublingual fentanyl spray, and the company has shown that it's willing to bend the rules to sell that product. In the past month alone, two former company employees pleaded not guilty to federal charges related to an alleged kickback scheme to get doctors to prescribe Subsys, and Illinois Attorney General Lisa Madigan filed a lawsuit against the company charging that Insys hawked the drug to doctors for off-label prescribing.

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Hillary is a criminal. With over 30 years of political "experience".

Trump is trying to throw the election to a life long friend. (Ross Perot did the same thing for Bill to get him a Dem nomination)

The Clintons are just scaling up political tactics that have worked for them in the past. It really is that simple.



What will be interesting is how politicians will continue to react to the fear of "leaks".

Julian Assange outlines endgame 10 years ago.

“Consider what would happen if one of these parties gave up their mobile phones, fax and email correspondence—let alone the computer systems which manage their [subscribers], donors, budgets, polling, call centres and direct mail campaigns. They would immediately fall into an organisational stupor and lose to the other.”

“The more secretive or unjust an organization is, the more leaks induce fear and paranoia in its leadership and planning coterie. This must result in minimization of efficient internal communications mechanisms (an increase in cognitive ‘secrecy tax’) and consequent system-wide cognitive decline resulting in decreased ability to hold onto power as the environment demands adaptation.”



We are coming up on the end of "Big Brother" government. The world is getting ready to shift from ever growing government to a shrinking government and a desire for "Self Governance".

IMHO this was the true reason for the Arab Springs and such, they weren't after "Democracy" like the western media claimed, they were rebelling against strict Sharia law and big government.

People don't want someone to just represent them in government anymore, they want to represent themselves in government.

The people who should be scared right now are the ones who can't live without government aid.

It boils down to 2 types of people. Ones who are productive, and ones who live off the productive. The productive ones are about to tell the others to get bent.
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I understand what you are thinking, but Trump want's to win and he must win or we will have Hillary with the Justice department and the Supreme court in her pocket, she will be able to get away with anything because they will find some creative way to interpret it.

We may well see a mass civil unrest as a result of her overzealousness, I worry that other influences may have a hand in the destruction of our Constitution, and if we don't stop destabilizing every Country around Russia and arming "moderates" then we may find some Iranian suitcase crater makers get smuggled in, and that will be an awful mess.

Trump needs to win and clean house, Barry has loaded many positions with some questionable Islamic Americans who have no political experience. He nominated the 1st Muslim Supreme court judge in our history while we are at war with extremist.

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That's seems like pretty solid proof of foul play to me. Some mention of such tactics in the Podesta e-mails, although not a lot. But we're likely only just seeing the start of those leaks - they'll be saving the worst of it for last.

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That's seems like pretty solid proof of foul play to me. Some mention of such tactics in the Podesta e-mails, although not a lot. But we're likely only just seeing the start of those leaks - they'll be saving the worst of it for last.

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I just finished reading several articles that were backed by the latest polls saying that Clinton is ahead of Trump by 48% among likely voters and the email d.u.m.p.s have dissuaded few except for millennials who are still voting in larger blocks for Clinton than for Trump. This expose' video you have posted as proof of illegal activity is not tied to the Clinton campaign itself, but is a partisan vehicle to try to muddy the waters. In past elections, the Koch brothers have coordinated with the RNC to try to push Republican agendas that further their business interests and it is no surprise, nor was anyone prosecuted. If these email d.u.m.p.s from everyone except for the Clinton campaign itself are going to do some harm, they better start doing it now. Early voting has already begun. I still haven't figured out why in the world you, who has no dog in this fight, would be pushing for Trump. He is despicable and everyone in this country besides the 30% that are sticking with Trump know it.
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I'd say it's arguable that everyone on this planet has a dog in this fight.

Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't vote for either of them. But one of them is at least pointing out the corruption, the lies and the propaganda from the establishment, the corporate media and the political elite. The other one is doing the same old, taking what are essentially bribes from her friends (Some of whom are the biggest sponsors of terrorism on the planet [behind the good old US of A of course]), maintaining the status quo and ensuring more power for herself, her family and her other elite cronies while f***ing everyone else in the country dry.

The global situation is only going to get worse. Probably will no matter who wins, but it'll be even worse with Clinton. At least Trump wants to have a friendly dialog with the Russians and focus on issues at home first - the US and the Russians could achieve great things together but as usual the US has to be the world police, has to try and change the balance of power so that they are always on top. Meanwhile making Russia out to be the big bad guys that are trying to hurt America and peace/freedom/democracy. Usual BS.

You want more of what we've seen over the last 15 years? More wars in the middle east (Guess who's turn it is after Syria! Might want to visit Iran while it's still there...)? More corruption? More lies? More division? Less freedom? Vote Clinton.

Give it 5 years, if it turns out I'm wrong about Clinton I'll gladly eat my words and apologize. You can quote me on that.

Honestly, I'm amazed that Trump and Clinton are the best you guys could manage. The rest of the world is laughing ... in an also somewhat scared way.

For me this isn't about Republicans or Democrats, both sides are guilty of the same things. This is about peace, freedom and prosperity.
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You want a real poll? Here it is! - Arizona Freedom Alliance

We've been telling you the difference between a media poll and an internal poll. Media polls are driven by the desire to achieve a certain outcome. That is why you think Hillary is leading Trump by 10 points. If you were paying attention, one of these polls had Hillary up by 15 points before the GOP convention. After the convention, Trump was up 15 points, a 30 point jump! Statistically impossible. After the democrat convention, Hillary was up 10 points, a 25 point swing. Again, can't happen. The media is jerking our chain. DO NOT believe them. The only polls that can be believed are internal polls that are rarely made public. While the poll below is not an internal poll, it was done in a most interesting manner - with no perceived bias. And it is YUGE!

And by the way, it nearly mirrors what internal polls are showing. By any accurate measure, Hillary is NOT leading Trump in the minds of the voters.

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A Total of 50,000 people Polled in 50 States….


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We have just completed our own poll since we cannot get factual information from the mainstream media!! We called 1000 homes in each of the 50 states and asked basic questions on the economy, terrorism, immigration and presidential pick.


Economy was the number one factor that Americans are concerned about and terrorism was number two.
Presidential pick was Trump by a large percentage.
Trump 33478 votes 67%
Clinton 9788 Votes 19%
Undecided or other 6739 votes 13%


My friends and I are all Graduate students from all walks of life. We meet to discuss stuff... 13 people who like and have served in the Military. It took us most of two weeks to be sure our calls were to all people and not just one party or another. We called Americans.. our poll is by taking registered voter lists and we accumulated 33% repub, 33% dems and 34% ind.. our poll consisted of 1000 calls per state. all 50 states. 50,000 people are in this poll not the 100 like other polls.
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@diachi. You say this transcends parties, but we will have either a Republican or a Democratic president. The wars of the past 15 years were ushered in by a Republican president, who mostly by lying and misinformation got us into two massive wars that everyone now agrees were a bad idea. But, they were still a Republican idea and I have not forgotten that. I know for a fact that Democrats and Republicans have very different agendas and that has not changed either. Only one can be the next president, and you want to put your hopes behind the one who is a braggard and a failed businessman who believes his own worth is whatever his celebrity says it is. He failed in a massive way in his real estate ventures, only to be held up as a success because of a silly TV show. He is a factchecked liar about most everything, even when it makes no difference he prefers to lie. He is a miserable excuse for a human being, but would be dangerous if he were elected. You say you wouldn't vote for either of them, but you continue to progress the idea that he is the better choice. Fortunately for the people who live here, he has little if any chance of being elected, and though I may have to hold my nose when i vote, it will be a vote for Clinton as Trump would be the worst thing that could happen to this country.
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We've been telling you the difference between a media poll and an internal poll. Media polls are driven by the desire to achieve a certain outcome. That is why you think Hillary is leading Trump by 10 points. If you were paying attention, one of these polls had Hillary up by 15 points before the GOP convention. After the convention, Trump was up 15 points, a 30 point jump! Statistically impossible. After the democrat convention, Hillary was up 10 points, a 25 point swing. Again, can't happen. The media is jerking our chain. DO NOT believe them. The only polls that can be believed are internal polls that are rarely made public. While the poll below is not an internal poll, it was done in a most interesting manner - with no perceived bias. And it is YUGE!

And by the way, it nearly mirrors what internal polls are showing. By any accurate measure, Hillary is NOT leading Trump in the minds of the voters.

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Here is what a Real Poll looks like in America. Please take the Time to Read.

A Total of 50,000 people Polled in 50 States….


PG Farnsworth:

We have just completed our own poll since we cannot get factual information from the mainstream media!! We called 1000 homes in each of the 50 states and asked basic questions on the economy, terrorism, immigration and presidential pick.


Economy was the number one factor that Americans are concerned about and terrorism was number two.
Presidential pick was Trump by a large percentage.
Trump 33478 votes 67%
Clinton 9788 Votes 19%
Undecided or other 6739 votes 13%


My friends and I are all Graduate students from all walks of life. We meet to discuss stuff... 13 people who like and have served in the Military. It took us most of two weeks to be sure our calls were to all people and not just one party or another. We called Americans.. our poll is by taking registered voter lists and we accumulated 33% repub, 33% dems and 34% ind.. our poll consisted of 1000 calls per state. all 50 states. 50,000 people are in this poll not the 100 like other polls.
Good job on the real poll numbers.
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You've got to be kidding. Internet polls aren't even given margins of error as they are self-administered. Also, there is a big difference between an opinion poll and a likely voter poll, which does have a margin of error. A person might give an answer about their opinion on a certain subject, but you can't use the results as a vote for the candidate. You are looking for something that might show Trump in a more favorable light, but some opinion poll means nothing at all. Trump is so far behind that he is asking his supporters to go into areas where more Democrats vote to "watch for election fraud" which is another way of saying to try to pressure people not to vote. He is also ratcheting up the claim that this election is rigged against him, but he wasn't complaining when he was winning in the Republican primaries. It seems the rigging depends on his poll numbers.
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From the site:

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Trump 33478 votes 67%
Clinton 9788 Votes 19%
Undecided or other 6739 votes 13%
That's 50,005. After all the trouble they went to to explain how many people were in their poll (1,000 PER STATE GUYS LOL), they can't even add up to 50,000 in their fake poll.

EDIT: And the percentages don't even add up to 100. You can't make this stuff up!

Why do polls matter though? The Democrats will cheat and win anyway!

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I see a lot of but hurt and confused Hillary supporters either a (Claiming it is invalid as it is an internet poll) * it isn't by the way it was a call poll.

Or B claiming it is invalid because like many call polls they called more than the baseline just in case a few turned up to have been double polled.

I can't wait to see the butthurt here on election day.
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I see a lot of but hurt and confused Hillary supporters either a (Claiming it is invalid as it is an internet poll) * it isn't by the way it was a call poll.

Or B claiming it is invalid because like many call polls they called more than the baseline just in case a few turned up to have been double polled.

I can't wait to see the butthurt here on election day.
So how do you explain the hilarious badness of their math?

50,005 = 50,000
99% = 100%

If they have more than 50,000 responses (which is fine), they still should actually give the total right. It just makes them look like they don't have credibility. And can't do arithmetic.

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Standard practice. Poll more people than you need to so you can remove any who have been polled twice.

You know because Democrats like to try to vote more than once because they are special.

It really isn't hard to understand if you have any idea how actually polling people works. I helped with several call polls for collage friends over the years. Generally the hard part is convincing people your not a telemarketer.
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Standard practice. Poll more people than you need to so you can remove any who have been polled twice.

You know because Democrats like to try to vote more than once because they are special.

It really isn't hard to understand if you have any idea how actually polling people works. I helped with several call polls for collage friends over the years. Generally the hard part is convincing people your not a telemarketer.
Okay, let's ignore the 50,000 issue.

So you don't think them not being able to add to 100, despite the three response categories encompassing all possible answers, does not throw any doubt on the poll whatsoever? Fair enough... your opinion.

...I thought you liked Rasmussen polls?

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I don't like your new poll sniff sniff, they can't count sniff sniff, they are off by five that puts everything into question sniff sniff.

Why dony you go back to the old polls you liked WWWAaaaaaa WWAaaaaa I like those better WWWaaa Waaaaaa!!!



Yup, typical Hillary supporters.

Here is why you can't trust ANY media run poll.

http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/20...clinton-trump/

Of nearly $400,000 given to the Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump campaigns from journalists or people identified as working in the media, a staggering 96 percent has gone to benefit Mrs. Clinton, according to a Center for Public Integrity analysis published Monday.

About 430 people identified in federal campaign finance filings as journalists, reporters, news editors or television news anchors — as well as other donors known to be working in journalism — combined to give about $382,000 to Mrs. Clinton through August, the analysis showed.
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