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Old 10-13-2016, 04:29 PM #2049
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Should really stop backing the Saudi's though... US currently caught up in at least two wars it shouldn't be involved in.


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Silkworm albeit they said variants are cruise missiles and I doubt they just ran out of propellant as the originals had 150KM range, but they are not hypersonic or even supersonic, speed is Mach 0.8 or around 600 miles per hour, slow by todays standards.

I bet we lased them right through to the control board, or hit them with a HERF beam, or both, we probably sent divers to recover or photo them at their sunken grave.

I hope we have a HERF gun that can shut them down, we should because the Russians are big on HERF weapons and even faraday type shielding has been defeated in testing, it's a game changer but proximity is the big question, how far can it do the job and how fast.

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Should really stop backing the Saudi's though... US currently caught up in at least two wars it shouldn't be involved in.
We are involved in too many wars as it is. I don't know of any other country that has participated in more wars then the US and frankly, it's becoming (and sorry for my language) f**king annoying that we keep spending our resources toward this kind of stuff and try to act like the world police!

We have idiots running the US diachi and it's become evident to everyone else on the planet.

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There's a reason why those European countries all get such nice things while we have crumbling infrastructure throughout our country. It's because none of them need to spend much on their own military power, thanks to how the USA plays world police. They rely on the USA policing the world and defending them if anything should ever happen. Meanwhile the citizens of the USA end up footing the largest military bill in the world so all the Euro countries can spend less on their own defense. It's a BS system, and now our leaders are AGAIN trying to go play world police in Syria. It sucks what's happening to people over there, but it's NOT OUR PROBLEM. NO MORE GOD DAMN WAR! In Syria there's even a risk of starting WW3 if we goof up and bomb the Russian forces which are actively operating there. Hillary seems totally oblivious to this of course. I mean hey, why not get involved in a situation which could start WW3? Sounds fun!
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Been to Seattle to get some medical work done and have not been posting for a couple days. From what I've been able to ascertain at this point in the election: Clinton up 9% across the board in a four way race, even though Wikileaks continues to dump hacked emails from everyone but Clinton daily. Trump is in a meltdown and is turning out to be the Republican's worst nightmare. He continues to bash any Republicans who have abandoned him and it is leaving the Senate, if not the House, vulnerable to a Democratic take over November 8th. It seems for Republicans in a reelection this year, they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. Trump's base is angry at the ones who have admonished him and everyone else is mad at the ones who haven't.

Edit: To start WW III would take allies on both sides coming together and attacking the allies on the other side. It is so very unlikely that this would happen that it is really hyperbole at this point in time. Election hyperbole, to try to take people's focus off of Trump's crumbling campaign. It doesn't seem to be working.

Just finished reading the Time magazine article on Trump's meltdown. It is long and comprehensive and makes a whole lot of points. There is a small section in the beginning that seemed to sum it up. I'll post it here verbatim.

The candidate himself was consumed by petty grudges. The furvor over the leaked recordings seemed to liberate him. Free from the "shackles"- his own tweeted word-Trump reduced his campaign to a primal grunt. It sounded, at times, like the last gasp of the angry white man. Trump threatened to throw his own opponent in jail, bragged of avoiding income taxes and peddled an empty conspiracy theory about undocumented immigrants being given voter-registration cards. He insisted he was right to stoke the racial tensions in New York City during the Central Park jogger drama in the 1990s, refusing to accept the DNA proof that he had the case wrong. He promoted a fiction that Muslim friends of the San Bernardino, Calif., terrorists knew their plans but failed to alert authorities, and he injected a crude Russian propaganda effort into one of his rallies without a care about its inaccuracy.
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Russia's military has test-fired three intercontinental ballistic missiles amid increasing tensions with the US on a range of issues, particularly the Syrian crisis.

The Russian Defense Ministry said the Russian forces fired a nuclear-capable rocket from a Pacific Fleet submarine in the Sea of Okhotsk north of Japan on Wednesday.

A Topol missile was further shot off from a submarine in the Barents Sea, while a third was launched from an inland site in the country's northwest, Russian news agencies reported.

The launches come at a time when relations between Russia and the US have hit their lowest point in years following the collapse of a ceasefire in Syria.
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There's a reason why those European countries all get such nice things while we have crumbling infrastructure throughout our country. It's because none of them need to spend much on their own military power, thanks to how the USA plays world police. They rely on the USA policing the world and defending them if anything should ever happen.
It's not that simple though. Europe simply has no intention of policing the world. We have had the colonial times and that ended, for better or for wose, it is no more.

The US seems to like its role as world police, while european countries do not have such desires any longer, and military spending is limit mostly to defend the homeland.

This does not mean that european countries are weak when it comes to brutal force though. France and the UK have their own nuclear weapons programmes and developed such systems. Many other european countries have the technology to produce a nuclear weapon if required, but chose not to do so. This choice is not to be underestimated though, even a country like the netherlands has the means to build a domestic nuke in a few months (especially since we have the urenco enrichment facility).

It's not hypothetical either, spying on dutch nuclear research gave pakistan nuclear weapons. I guess we should apologize to india for that chain of events, but it does show we have the technology to build nuclear weapons here very quickly if need be.

If you wonder if we are going to do that: no. Currently we have a decent number of nuclear weapons produced in the US sitting on our soil and available at our disposal if it ever came to that, and no reason to build additional ones.
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After watching the PBS Newshour tonight, I was taken by a segment on Seth Meyer's new show. He was showing a video of Donald Trump saying, " President Obama was born in this country. Period." to which he said, "F&ck you. Exclamation point." I don't know, but Seth Meyers has always been funny imo, and that got me laughing out loud. In light of everything else that has been going on this week, I thought I would share that.
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I guess that's something europeans will not understand either.

To be elected president in most european countries it is a requirement to be legal citizen of that country, but where you were born does not matter. All citizens are equal to the law, including any requirements to hold public offices.

In theory we could have a dutch prime minister born in belgium, germany, the uk, or even morocco if the majority of people vote for that person.

Then again we still have royalty here and the formal head of state is our king. Not that he has any practical authority any longer, but for formalities he still is the head of state when in comes to diplomatic visits and such.

Oddly the king is not the supreme commander of the army either, that formally is the department of military affairs. Oddly military personel do pledge loyalty to the king though, so if they even have opposing views that would lead to a very interesting situation.
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To be elected president in most european countries it is a requirement to be legal citizen of that country, but where you were born does not matter. All citizens are equal to the law, including any requirements to hold public offices.

In theory we could have a dutch prime minister born in belgium, germany, the uk, or even morocco if the majority of people vote for that person.

Then again we still have royalty here and the formal head of state is our king. Not that he has any practical authority any longer, but for formalities he still is the head of state when in comes to diplomatic visits and such.

Oddly the king is not the supreme commander of the army either, that formally is the department of military affairs. Oddly military personel do pledge loyalty to the king though, so if they even have opposing views that would lead to a very interesting situation.
It's only that way for the president. You can hold other offices in government as long as you are a citizen and old enough. I suppose you would also need to be a native born citizen to be nominated for vice president as well, since you would be next in line to be president if the current one became ineligible for any reason.
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It still is a demonstration of how citizens born in other countries are considered 'second class' for the law. They are good enough to do most things, but not be president. This would also apply to those under the age of 35, which a very odd number. I'm not saying it's realistic that someone under 35 could win the elections if allowed to run, but what would be the logic behind this law?

I have no idea how far these demands go as it goes to people that were to replace the president in case he was incapacitated. First of all you'd have the vice president, but after that you get whole hoist of people that could effectively become acting president of the ones 'above' them were taken out. Should such limitation be imposed on the speaker of the house, or perhaps all the way to all secretaries? I think the effective policy is that someone not meeting those demands is bypassed for the position and the next in line becomes effective president, though nothing like that has ever happened.
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It may seem a bit odd now, but at the beginning of this country persons who were in their middle age were considered to be fully developed into the person they would be. By contrast, a Senator must be 30 years old and a Representative must be 25 years old. Now, when the country was new, people only needed to be citizens at the time the revolution started in addition to the other requirements, but since that time they need to be at least 35 and have been in the country for at least 14 years and born here. It is in Article II, Section 1, Clause 5 of The Constitution.
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Why does Hillary disappear before debate?

I thought I knew why and I see others are saying the same exact thing.

As always with the Clintons it's lies and deception.

The story that Hillary spends her time preparing for the debate and resting is too obvious to me, the reality is that she is taking what is called a drug holiday.

Doctors describe how this works. The anti-seizure drugs she is taking reduce the body's ability to respond to the dugs, such as with Parkinson's patients and Alzheimer's sufferers and their temporary patch medication.

We have seen her having seizures and falling down, so to make it through the debate she has to stay off of the meds for a day or two so the drug can regain it's effectiveness.

Every start of a debate she looks medicated, I can see it, just look at her eyes, they tell on her.

Hillary is mentally, physically, morally and in all other ways unfit to serve as President.



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This is pure nonsense. If you can't beat her any other way, claim she has a debilitating neurological disorder. Parkinson's is never diagnosed by someone watching short clips on TV and it's main symptom is the jerking movements that one sees in Michael J Fox. You aren't going to disqualify her with YouTube videos. Trump has melted down to a pathetic loser, something he finds disgusting. He is now making excuses of why he isn't a loser, but has had the election stolen from him by others. It's pathetic.
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I can disqualify her several other ways, her criminality is obvious, her destruction of evidence she was ordered to preserve and produce, her collusion and corruption of our Justice department, the how can we have an above the law insider as our chief law enforcer? How can we have any chance at a fair system if there are no rules for Hillary and no way to hold her accountable?

Hillary is dangerous to freedom and dangerous to our security, add to that failing health and it's a disaster.

Huma Aberdeen and others would likely be appointed to help destroy our Constitution and radically change our country, we are under attack from within, all we have known of freedom can change, and as we are still sending more troops to Iraq and destabilizing every land around Russia we are forcing a very dangerous situation.

Who will order our young men to war while Hillary is kept warm in the White House basement?

Hillary is dangerous for many reasons, this is just another lie in the face of the American citizen that we should all weigh out and ask who has what to gain from getting her into the White House?

Our system has been broken and we are looking at the last chance to try and save it, Hillary would usher in a decade of change via SCOTUS appointments that would leave the American citizen helpless and losing their voice, without our freedom of speech we will become slaves.

Hillary already owns the Justice department, once she owns the Supreme court it won't matter if what she does is legal or Constitutional or not, there will be nothing to stop her from ruling as dictator.
Her health further increases the danger as there are forces already appointed by Barry who could fill her vacuum, who knows if the latest decree will be signed by Hillary or her helper Huma.

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Trump is more 420 Friendly than Clinton. Clinton would tax and regulate it down to urine assays to see if you are taking your permitted dose only, they both talk the same about it medically, but Trump would be more in favor of freedom and Clinton like everything else would make it all about control.
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YAWN. This is something I found interesting. A ballot measure in Arizona this November called Prop 205 would make it legal for adults to possess, buy and grow marijuana. It is being fought hard by Arizonans for Responsible Drug Policy which has taken in donations $2.1 million. The main contributors are self interest groups like Services Group of America who contract to serve meals to inmates in prison (the legalization would cut back on inmates), The Arizona Wine and Spirits Wholesale Association who are concerned about the "share the buzz" issue, and Insys Therapeutics who develop pharmaceutical cannabinoids and would lose market share if laws like Prop 205 were enacted.


Edit: @ RedCowboy. Trump and Clinton are pretty much the same on the issue of marijuana. Trump says he want to leave it up to the states to decide about medical marijuana and Clinton feels the medical side should be lowered from a Schedule I drug, which according to the federal government has no medicinal value, to Schedule II which is the same as prescription meds. Trump isn't in favor of legalized marijuana for recreational use and Clinton wants to see what the states do before she enacts any federal changes. So, it seems that Clinton would change federal law to make it a prescription drug right away and if states continue to legalize it for recreational use, she would be willing to make federal law catch up. I don't have a dog in this fight as i don't use it myself, but feel it should be legal for everyone who wants it. Either way, it will be up to the rest of the states to legalize recreational use first.
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