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Old 10-12-2016, 10:41 PM #2033
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I think its time we eased our relationship with Russia and I think only Trump can do that. Clinton will only make things worse with them.


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I think its time we eased our relationship with Russia and I think only Trump can do that. Clinton will only make things worse with them.

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In a utopia with no government and voluntary contribution to programs formerly run by said defunct government, who would pay for state roads in very rural states?

People in cities won't pay because they don't use them, and people that use them are too few and widely scattered to be able to fund building or maintaining them. At that point, people in small towns have two choices: be isolated or move to a population center. Freedom of movement is a large part of self-determination, and limiting self-determination is not something libertarianism is all about.

In your world, how would rural-state infrastructure work? How would the problem I outline be avoided, or better yet how does the problem I outlined not exist at all?

EDIT: Here's a map I just made of Montana to illustrate. I summed the length of roads in each county (in kilometers) and divided by population in that county. Urban counties would have no issues maintaining infrastructure, but more rural areas have between 4km and 8km of road per person.

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Dude, I grew up on gravel roads, I miss them, they were fun.

That's why people don't know how to understeer when we get ice anymore, there's no more gravel roads to teach the kids how to drive.

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"Victory for Trump would be a gift to humanity. But if Hillary Clinton wins it will be the last U.S. president ever."

This is what I heard people talking about today, people are worried that Clinton will kill us all.

Putin and Iran are not going along with the NWO, but failing health Clinton will push her Globalist goals hard and attack our Constitution, we could see a revolution, or something smuggled in that leaves a big smoking crater, the world has become a much more dangerous place these last years, Iran and N. Korea will make us pay big for Clintons open boarders.

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Dude, I grew up on gravel roads, I miss them, they were fun.

That's why people don't know how to understeer when we get ice anymore, there's no more gravel roads to teach the kids how to drive.

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...the question wasn't really if you missed gravel roads, I asked if it's a good idea to trust people to voluntarily pay to maintain 4-8km of road themselves, instead of spreading the burden over the entire population of a state.

Also for record, understeer is when a vehicle does not turn as sharply as you intend due to loss of traction in slick conditions (or tire deformation, but that's mostly in racing context). It is not the solution to oversteer, which is when the vehicle turns too much via rotation. Understeer is solved by easing off speed. Oversteer is solved by countersteering. Teaching young drivers to understeer would be a poor idea.

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Before you get annoyed at me for correcting you, remember that you brought it up...

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You are mixing up racing terminology with driving.

When the back end starts coming around you steer into it but with less steering input, in layman's terms this is understeering.

Setting your car up for the track, understeer is when the front end pushes when too much steering input is given, oversteer is when the back end breaks loose when too much steering input is given.

Young drivers like oversteer, veterans like understeer, but understeering is correcting a rear yaw induced slide by steering into it with a light steering input.

That is a layman's term and not technically correct, but it's how it's used.

On a bike you countersteer from the outside of the curve and shoot through the apex, but in a car you stay inside and if the back end slips you correct by understeering, that may not be the correct terminology, but it's how it's used.
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You are mixing up racing terminology with driving.

When the back in starts coming around you steer into it but with less steering input, in layman's terms this is understeering.

Setting your car up for the track, understeer is when the front end pushes when too mush steering input is given, oversteer is when the back end breaks loose when too much steering input is given.

Young drivers like oversteer, veterans like understeer, but understeering is correcting a rear yaw induced slide by steering into it with a light steering input.
You're wrong, sorry. I'm not arguing facts. Understeer and oversteer are both loss of control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understeer_and_oversteer

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You're wrong, sorry. I'm not arguing facts. Understeer and oversteer are both loss of control.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Understeer_and_oversteer

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Maybe the rednecks I grew up with were saying understeer when they meant countersteer.

I was late breaking before I ever knew what it was, maybe I heard understeer when they meant counter steer, again I learned how before I was ever told about it.

I'm probably saying understeer when I mean counter steer.

I know on a track understeer is front end push and over steer is back end slide, it's how you set the car up, never mind 3 wheel breaking.
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Maybe the rednecks I grew up with were saying understeer when they meant countersteer.

I was late breaking before I ever knew what it was, maybe I heard understeer when they meant counter steer, again I learned how before I was ever told about it.

I'm probably saying understeer when I mean counter steer.
Whatever the case, sliding a vehicle when you know what you're doing is damn fun.

...back to politics, sorry for the derailment folks!

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Whatever the case, sliding a vehicle when you know what you're doing is damn fun.

...back to politics, sorry for the derailment folks!

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No, I appreciate the correction, if I am saying it wrong I should stop, they no doubt meant counter steer but say understeer, it's just how I heard it long after I learned how to do it.
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Whatever the case, sliding a vehicle when you know what you're doing is damn fun.

...back to politics, sorry for the derailment folks!

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Yellowknife is sliding heaven come winter ... and lots of gravel roads in the summer. Specially with rear wheel drive!

Saying that, I'm blaming all of last winters sliding around for my brake and axle seal and T-case issues earlier in the year...

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Before anyone decides to vote for the Libertarian Party you should at least know what you are voting for. They are against all forms of regulation, taxation, and any benefits you cannot provide for yourself during the entire period of your life, to include health care, and many others. These are not the only things there are against.
I guess that just sums up what libertarianism actually is. There are various degrees of it, but basically it boils down to not paying taxes, but not getting any government aid with anyhting either.

Many variants do include a government that enforces a law enforcing body that prevents outright theft, robbery and such, which makes it a different from anarchy.

While i like libertarians personally this may not be the system for you. If you depend on the government, or expect it to be there to take care of you when you can no longer provide for yourself, this is not for you.

In its core it is a very 'cold' system where people have no obligation to care for another. It does not by any means prohibit people from doing so though, in a libertarian society you may help those in need if you want to. Charity is voluntary but by no means prohibited or even discouraged.
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Apparently this election boils down to what pedophile you find the least distasteful... Enough is enough, I'm voting Gary Johnson.

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Both Trump And Clinton Went To Jeffrey Epstein's *** Slave Island.

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One Twitter user once asked me, “Is it too much to hope that *one* of our parties would pick someone with no links to a pedophile ***-slave island?”

Apparently, it is too much to ask for.

Both presumptive Republican presidential nominee Donald Trump and former President Bill Clinton have ties to convicted pedophile and Democratic donor, billionaire Jeffery Epstein and "*** Slave Island."


Note: President Bill Clinton is not merely the husband of Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton, either. Bill is currently campaigning for his wife, plus Hillary recently unveiled that Bill with be in charge of “revitalizing the economy” if she were to take office.

It has been uncovered that Clinton, known for his trouble-making libido, has even stronger ties to Epstein than previously reported. As noted by The Free Beacon, “Clinton was aboard the infamous Lolita Express owned by a billionaire pedophile at least 26 times," not the initially reported 11 times.

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Clinton’s presence aboard Jeffrey Epstein’s Boeing 727 on 11 occasions has been reported, but flight logs show the number is more than double that, and trips between 2001 and 2003 included extended junkets around the world with Epstein and fellow passengers identified on manifests by their initials or first names, including “Tatiana.” The tricked-out jet earned its Nabakov-inspired nickname because it was reportedly outfitted with a bed where passengers had group *** with young girls…Official flight logs filed with the Federal Aviation Administration show Clinton traveled on some of the trips with as many as 10 U.S. Secret Service agents. However, on a five-leg Asia trip between May 22 and May 25, 2002, not a single Secret Service agent is listed.

The Republican presumptive nominee apparently got in on the action, too. Trump’s ties to Epstein — a man Trump once called a “terrific guy” — and *** Slave Island have been chronicled by The Daily Wire here.

Per The Political Insider, Trump is accused of threatening and raping a 13-year-old girl on the private island. Epstein is also named in the suit for ***ual misconduct. The lawsuit accusations have been vehemently denied by the Trump camp, alleging that the filing is a “hoax” and that there is “no evidence” that the plaintiff in question “actually exists.”

*** Slave Island, sometimes referred to as “Orgy Island,” (both lovely names), is one deranged place, allegedly rife with solicited ***, often from minors “groomed” by Epstein.
“Terrific guy” Epstein, of course, was convicted for soliciting *** from a minor in 2008; the billionaire served 13 months in prison.

Election 2016: Where both candidates have ties to a convicted pedophile, the Lolita Express and *** Slave Island.

Both Trump And Clinton Went To Jeffrey Epstein's *** Slave Island. Daily Wire
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