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Old 10-11-2016, 11:30 PM #2017
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Nice sentiment, but nobody believes it will be the end result of this election. It still seems to be the choice between two unpopular people. I'm not happy about it, but I cannot leave to chance the possibility that Trump will be the next president. That seems to me to be the worst of all possible outcomes.
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Another thing that's so terrible about either one is I can only see things getting worse either way and if no one is impeached it is VERY difficult to roll back what will have happened in those 4 years. One thing for sure is if you ever wanted to be president you should go for it when their term is over although who is going to have enough energy to want to try to follow and fix.
That being said some independent needs to jump in right now if it's possible and take the votes from them. It's really amazing that either candidate would want to be president at this point. Such is the pull of power and greed. Whoever it is is going to get razzed mercilessly.
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Sure because you have so many people falsely being told voting their conscience will be a wasted vote or a vote in the wrong direction when it is such an important step to get the ball rolling. Yes we will end up with one of these utterly deplorable individuals as the next president but the future starts with doing what you really believe not voting against your beliefs out of fear. One reason it is so important is say the Green or Libertarian party can get just 5% of the popular vote they then become eligible for matching federal funding next go round which will be a huge kick and it will show they are viable. I am not so much caught up in the politics of each party we just need more choices to be able to have any sort of accountability.
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How would it actually work if neither party managed to get a >50% score in electors, for example when one or more states choose an independent candidate and the rest would not be a majority for either?

Afaik this has not happened in at least several decades, but if it does, does the party with the largest number of represented electors win, or is it required to form a coalition of sorts with the independent party before a president is elected?

So far no idependent candidate has won a state, but with more and more people wanting the 'none of the above' option this could in theory happen.

Most democratic countries in the world (and especially in europe) have a system where a government must be formed by multiple parties as no single party actually gets a >50% vote allowing it to rule alone.
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Before anyone decides to vote for the Libertarian Party you should at least know what you are voting for. They are against all forms of regulation, taxation, and any benefits you cannot provide for yourself during the entire period of your life, to include health care, and many others. These are not the only things there are against.
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Yeah, people who believe in personal freedom scare the hell out of liberals.

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I mean, how dare people think they can manage their own lives, without some elitist hundreds or thousands of miles away making decisions for them...



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Actually, the Libertarian Party was founded by David Nolan and had its first presidential candidates in 1972. They usually don't get much attention, except for this unusual election year. Mostly Young people are their fertile hunting ground. If you believe that clean air and water and soil are best left up to the landowner, then they may be a perfect fit for you.
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Actually, the Libertarian Party was founded by David Nolan and had its first presidential candidates in 1972. They usually don't get much attention, except for this unusual election year. Mostly Young people are their fertile hunting ground. If you believe that clean air and water and soil are best left up to the landowner, then they may be a perfect fit for you.
Sniffle sniffle... But weee NEEEED government!

Who will build the roads?

Who will pass regulations to save the earth from imagined monsters!!!





The ONLY people afraid of Agorisim are ones who think they can't survive without government.

Literally enslaved by their own minds and propaganda, they will vote to grow an org that takes more and more while providing less and less.
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Like I just said, if government seems like a bad idea to you, these people might be a good fit tor you.
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Name one service the government "provides" that wouldn't be cheaper if people paid for that service directly...
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Again using "regulation" so vaguely is a common tactic and means nothing without specifics. It is literally not possible to be against regulation(standards or rules). They are against specific standards/rules but that in itself is a standard/rule meaning they are for others just like every party. What specific regulations are they against and what ones do they support. Specifically.

it seems they are for ending income tax which would move the burden to sales tax and other forms of tax. Sales tax does better ensure that money is actually taxed. Don't like loop holes or undeclared income well sales tax can help with that but there would have to be better collection like on internet sales before that kind of step could be considered.

They do want to move health care back to private which would be a contentious point for a lot of people if they can not provide rules like equal cost, no discrimination with preexisting conditions and other wanted reform it would be hard to do. I don't see them stating they want to end medicare but I am not sure on that one but if kept that is a safety net.

They do advocate moving people out of social security into other personal retirement investments. Social security just ended up a piggy bank that gets raided and the expenses levied on the next generation to pay off. I would prefer to have that money going into a personal retirement plans.

Anyway there are a lot of give and take between the current D/R party and as their base grows their platform will have to adjust to their base just like the current parties have.


If you don't like them vote for the green party or whoever is on the ticket that is not a candidate of the demopublican party.






The way I see it you are either voting for Trillery of the Demopublican party in this election and you want to keep the status quo of the governance we have had for decadas or you are voting against the establishment whoever you choose. Really does not matter who.

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I stopped in this small market in the hood this morning, one of those oversized convenience store neighborhood markets for people without cars and the back folks in there were telling me that Hillary was an evil B1&%H and talking about what Trump said, the black folks I talk to hate Hillary, they know about the super predators statement she made and they are afraid of her, the only people I see who support Hillary are millennials with liberal teachers on tv and middle age jaded white women who are mad at men, most all the black women I talk to hate Hillary, I tell you they have young people in front of Walmart with clipboards trying to register people and they are not interested, they say that they often do sign a petition but don't trust Hillary.

Hillary does have the LBGT vote from the window treatment decorators I do work for and the customers are not happy about their views, it's causing my work to slow down.

These polls are not representative of the people I talk to and I live in the hood, and work on the nicer north side often.
We are being sold a lie by these polls from what I see.
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Name one service the government "provides" that wouldn't be cheaper if people paid for that service directly...
In a utopia with no government and voluntary contribution to programs formerly run by said defunct government, who would pay for state roads in very rural states?

People in cities won't pay because they don't use them, and people that use them are too few and widely scattered to be able to fund building or maintaining them. At that point, people in small towns have two choices: be isolated or move to a population center. Freedom of movement is a large part of self-determination, and limiting self-determination is not something libertarianism is all about.

In your world, how would rural-state infrastructure work? How would the problem I outline be avoided, or better yet how does the problem I outlined not exist at all?

EDIT: Here's a map I just made of Montana to illustrate. I summed the length of roads in each county (in kilometers) and divided by population in that county. Urban counties would have no issues maintaining infrastructure, but more rural areas have between 4km and 8km of road per person.

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The war drums are beating ever louder.

Remember kids: RUSSIA BAD! A-RABS BAD (Except the ones we like this year). GADDAFI BAD (except when we liked him). SADAM BAD (except when we liked him). AL QAEDA BAD (Except not now, because we're arming them to fight Assad). TALIBAN BAD (Except when we armed them to fight the Russians).

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