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Old 10-10-2016, 07:37 AM #1985
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At that point, YES!

We should have kept enough forces there to imbed a solid democracy that could defend it's self, we did not finish the job and made things worse.

Hell we invaded Libya and made a mess there, it would have been better if we stayed in Iraq and pumped out restitution oil for the last 8 years and built up a solid democracy with better lives for everyone, instead we created more terrorist.
Actually, I was wrong. The withdrawal from Iraq began in 2007 under Bush, and continued until 2011 (Wikipedia).

So Obama should have reversed the process and kept troops in Iraq for longer?

...but he did! Kept troops there until 2011, instead of until 2009 as was Bush's plan. Should we have stayed longer than through 2011?

What you're saying is, Obama's policy in Iraq was more correct than Bush's, but we should have stayed longer?

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You are quoting plans that changed before the dates arrived, a proposed troop withdraw is just that, a proposed date, not cast in stone.

But Bush is not in this election and what has been done is done, the question that we have any power over is what to do now?

We want to destroy ISIS, Russia wants to destroy ISIS.....HEY , why not stop arming ISIS? Sound like a good plan to you?
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You are quoting plans that changed before the dates arrived, a proposed troop withdraw is just that, a proposed date, not cast in stone.

But Bush is not in this election and what has been done is done, the question that we have any power over is what to do now?

We want to destroy ISIS, Russia wants to destroy ISIS.....HEY , why not stop arming ISIS? Sound like a good plan to you?
So, despite Obama doing exactly what you wanted him to do - delaying departure from Iraq - it isn't enough. Got it. Fair enough! After all, he is literally the worst.

Regarding us arming ISIS, has anything conclusive come out other than the fact that they had some US weapons?

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How do you get " EXACTLY what I wanted " from some partial delays, I said keep enough force in place to establish a solid democracy capable of defending themselves.

You turned some partial staggered withdrawal delays into EXACTLY what I wanted.

You either don't pay attention or are just wasting my time spinning BS

Barry took the sacrificed blood of our troops and flushed it down the drain for the end product of ISIS, that is not EXACTLY what I wanted or said.
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How do you get " EXACTLY what I wanted " from some partial delays, I said keep enough force in place to establish a solid democracy capable of defending themselves.

You turned some partial staggered withdrawal delays into EXACTLY what I wanted.

You either don't pay attention or are just wasting my time spinning BS

Barry took the sacrificed blood of our troops and flushed it down the drain for the end product of ISIS, that is not EXACTLY what I wanted or said.
...so we should still be in Iraq in 2016? A further extension is what was needed? I think this point is moot though, Obama can't do anything that you approve of. And that's your prerogative - this is America!

What about the whole arming ISIS thing? Genuinely interested... last I heard of that was that they were found to have some US weapons but that's the extent of my recollection. Never heard anything from a source that I'd consider reputable.

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I said : We should have kept enough forces there to imbed a solid democracy that could defend it's self.

I did not say 2016.

Have you watched all the videos I linked on the arming of ISIS?
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I said : We should have kept enough forces there to imbed a solid democracy that could defend it's self.

I did not say 2016.

Have you watched all the videos I linked on the arming of ISIS?
I think not.
So you don't really have a timeline, Obama just didn't stay long enough. Fair enough! I think Stephen Colbert said it best... "the government that governs best is the government that governs least, and by that measurement we have set up an amazing government in Iraq!"

...it's not my job to go back and search for evidence posted elsewhere. You're making the claim - you provide the evidence! All you posted earlier was a link to YouTube results. Search terms are not evidence. I can play that game too!

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So you don't really have a timeline, Obama just didn't stay long enough. Fair enough! I think Stephen Colbert said it best... "the government that governs best is the government that governs least, and by that measurement we have set up an amazing government in Iraq!" Trevor
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I was listening to the second presidential debate in my car and man, this election along with the debates are complete SHIT! Like horseshit level. All it is is bitching & moaning from both sides about how bad the other person is blah blah blah. What a f**king joke man!

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I've been reading the reviews and polls since the debate. Seems that Clinton now holds a double digit lead against Trump according to NBC News and the fact checker, FactCheck.org explained the Clinton assertions that we are energy independent is not true as we imported 17% of our energy and her claims that Trump's tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class was not true either. But, the Pants on Fire award goes to Trump who lied about so very many things from the implication that the woman in the audience, paid to be there by Trump's PAC, who was raped at age 12 had nothing what-so-ever to do with Bill Clinton as Trump had said in the opening about the four women he had with him that were abused by Bill. Also, the accusation that Hillary had gotten the rapist off was a lie, as he plead to a lesser charge because prosecutors has lost key evidence, and she never laughed at the girl. His accusations that Clinton had deleted the emails after a congressional subpoena was false as they were deleted by the contractor without Clinton's knowledge. Also, Trump's assertion that they were "acid washed, a very expensive process" was pure nonsense as they were deleted using a program to delete old emails called Blechbit by the PRN employee. Trump did, indeed, tweet about the "$ex tapes" about Alicia Machado on two separate occasions, though the $ex he was referring to might have been a Spanish TV grainy video that may have been of Machado having $ex under some bed covers. And, concerning the Wikileaks emails that that Trump has used to show Clinton was "two-faced" was a response to the movie about Abraham Lincoln and how he managed to get legislation passed. Don't take my word for it, go to the website yourself and see all the details they have published to prove their assertions.
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I've been reading the reviews and polls since the debate. Seems that Clinton now holds a double digit lead against Trump according to NBC News and the fact checker, FactCheck.org explained the Clinton assertions that we are energy independent is not true as we imported 17% of our energy and her claims that Trump's tax plan would raise taxes on the middle class was not true either. But, the Pants on Fire award goes to Trump who lied about so very many things from the implication that the woman in the audience, paid to be there by Trump's PAC, who was raped at age 12 had nothing what-so-ever to do with Bill Clinton as Trump had said in the opening about the four women he had with him that were abused by Bill. Also, the accusation that Hillary had gotten the rapist off was a lie, as he plead to a lesser charge because prosecutors has lost key evidence, and she never laughed at the girl. His accusations that Clinton had deleted the emails after a congressional subpoena was false as they were deleted by the contractor without Clinton's knowledge. Also, Trump's assertion that they were "acid washed, a very expensive process" was pure nonsense as they were deleted using a program to delete old emails called Blechbit by the PRN employee. Trump did, indeed, tweet about the "$ex tapes" about Alicia Machado on two separate occasions, though the $ex he was referring to might have been a Spanish TV grainy video that may have been of Machado having $ex under some bed covers. And, concerning the Wikileaks emails that that Trump has used to show Clinton was "two-faced" was a response to the movie about Abraham Lincoln and how he managed to get legislation passed. Don't take my word for it, go to the website yourself and see all the details they have published to prove their assertions.
MSNBC, the 5th most viewed news.

Have faith that an org that less than 20% of Americans watch can poll handful of people watching them and produce results that represent Americans as a whole.

I prefer Rasmussen. They have clearly defined polling standards.


https://www.youngcons.com/new-rasmus...ating-hillary/

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MSNBC, the 5th most viewed news.

Have faith that an org that less than 20% of Americans watch can poll handful of people watching them and produce results that represent Americans as a whole.

I prefer Rasmussen. They have clearly defined polling standards.


https://www.youngcons.com/new-rasmus...ating-hillary/

The second debate poll.
Rasmussen's two most recent polls showed her up, on Friday by +1 and today by +7. On Thursday Trump was leading by +2, per the same poll. That's not to say it'll stay that way, but that's a telling sign.

I'm looking for the primary source, but it's on RCP: RealClearPolitics - 2016 Latest Polls

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I was listening to the second presidential debate in my car and man, this election along with the debates are complete SHIT! Like horseshit level. All it is is bitching & moaning from both sides about how bad the other person is blah blah blah. What a f**king joke man!

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