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Old 09-23-2016, 12:00 AM #1777
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The liberal/progressive/socalist (or whatever label they use now) mental disorder is resulting in special right's for individual groups.

From getting to ignore the "We reserve the right to refuse service" signs, to things like this.

Mass. High Court: Blacks Have Special Right to Run from Cops | American Renaissance

Black men may have a legitimate reason to flee Boston police during investigatory or “Terry” stops, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled Tuesday.

The court found that systemic racism in the Boston Police Department may be considered in conjunction with a suspect’s decision to flee from police during a stop.

A Terry stop, named for the U.S. Supreme Court case which sanctioned the practice, refers to a brief detention and search of an individual due to reasonable suspicion of criminal conduct.



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We do not eliminate flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion analysis whenever a black male is the subject of an investigatory stop. However, in such circumstances, flight is not necessarily probative of a suspect’s state of mind or consciousness of guilt. Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity. Given this reality for black males in the city of Boston, a judge should, in appropriate cases, consider the report’s findings in weighing flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion calculus.


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At times, looking at these protests it seems segregation is actually being pushed forth, which is both sad and insane.
Get used to the idea.

In western europe we have a split between roughly native europeans and immigrants that are from turkey, morocco and a couple of other african and middle eastern countries. This line is more split by religion than by race (we don't have that many black people here to begin with).

What we are seeing here is a pretty much voluntary split between endogenous europeans and immigrants and their descendants. There still is overlap in what stores we visit and such, but it seems to be splitting more and more.

The accusation that police discriminate against the 'foreigners' is also often made here. Actual shootings are very rare here, but to give an idea: descendants of moroccan and turkish immigrants are about 20 times more likely to be suspects compared to native dutch.

This picture is not a product of police discrimination though, they just commit that many more offenses, as it results in a similar ratio of eventual final convictions based on evidence in court as well.

The whole 'melting pot' of cultures seems like a nice idea, but in europe it has not proven to be all that viable, and perhaps the situation in the US is not all that different.

That said there are immigrant groups that integrate very well, or isolate themselves but not cause any trouble as well. Asians like chinese, japanese, koreans or in our case indonesians are actually less criminal compared to native dutch when looking at statistics. Being foreign as such is not a problem here, unless you're from the wrong country.
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I never tried to argue for violence and never would. My point is that when there are videos of black men being killed by the police, many are unarmed and have gone unpunished. I've listened to leaders of the BLM movement and they don't condone, rather they plead for nonviolence, but the problem isn't the number of blacks killed by other blacks or by whites, as they are often adjudicated to cause those caught with criminal penalties. The problem as they see it is there are no repercussions or consequences for police that basically murder black, and especially, unarmed men. If no one else sees that as a problem, then they are right to protest. They can hardly control every black person who is protesting and every black protester isn't a part of their movement. To conflate every black person with their movement, is not fair. Also, to make this a part of the election is distracting, as the president has little to do with local police departments.
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Get used to the idea.

In western europe we have a split between roughly native europeans and immigrants that are from turkey, morocco and a couple of other african and middle eastern countries. This line is more split by religion than by race (we don't have that many black people here to begin with).

What we are seeing here is a pretty much voluntary split between endogenous europeans and immigrants and their descendants. There still is overlap in what stores we visit and such, but it seems to be splitting more and more.

The accusation that police discriminate against the 'foreigners' is also often made here. Actual shootings are very rare here, but to give an idea: descendants of moroccan and turkish immigrants are about 20 times more likely to be suspects compared to native dutch.

This picture is not a product of police discrimination though, they just commit that many more offenses, as it results in a similar ratio of eventual final convictions based on evidence in court as well.

The whole 'melting pot' of cultures seems like a nice idea, but in europe it has not proven to be all that viable, and perhaps the situation in the US is not all that different.

That said there are immigrant groups that integrate very well, or isolate themselves but not cause any trouble as well. Asians like chinese, japanese, koreans or in our case indonesians are actually less criminal compared to native dutch when looking at statistics. Being foreign as such is not a problem here, unless you're from the wrong country.
You can't use this as an example of blacks in this country as they were brought here against their will to be slaves and the property of mostly rich whites here. Also, the Latin American immigrants are not committing crimes at an alarming rate as Trump has said. Also, many Latin Americans have been here longer than the states they live in as America took land away from Mexico in a trumped up war that was meant to give us the whole continent. So, many have lived in Texas for generations longer than Texas has been a part of this country.
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The liberal/progressive/socalist (or whatever label they use now) mental disorder is resulting in special right's for individual groups.

From getting to ignore the "We reserve the right to refuse service" signs, to things like this.

Mass. High Court: Blacks Have Special Right to Run from Cops | American Renaissance

Black men may have a legitimate reason to flee Boston police during investigatory or “Terry” stops, the Massachusetts Supreme Judicial Court ruled Tuesday.

The court found that systemic racism in the Boston Police Department may be considered in conjunction with a suspect’s decision to flee from police during a stop.

A Terry stop, named for the U.S. Supreme Court case which sanctioned the practice, refers to a brief detention and search of an individual due to reasonable suspicion of criminal conduct.



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We do not eliminate flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion analysis whenever a black male is the subject of an investigatory stop. However, in such circumstances, flight is not necessarily probative of a suspect’s state of mind or consciousness of guilt. Rather, the finding that black males in Boston are disproportionately and repeatedly targeted for FIO encounters suggests a reason for flight totally unrelated to consciousness of guilt. Such an individual, when approached by the police, might just as easily be motivated by the desire to avoid the recurring indignity of being racially profiled as by the desire to hide criminal activity. Given this reality for black males in the city of Boston, a judge should, in appropriate cases, consider the report’s findings in weighing flight as a factor in the reasonable suspicion calculus.
You totally missed the point of the link you posted. It says that just because a black person runs from the police, it doesn't mean they are guilty of any crime and the court should take THAT into consideration when deciding if the police has probable cause to search. In other words, the act of running is not, in and of itself, reason to search.
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LOL Clinton is seriously a joke now she's the laughing stock of the internet community now
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A triple post paul?

Don't short circuit like Hillary. I think her DR. is trying to get her meds worked out, she is so clearly unhinged and unfit.

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The facts are simple. If any branch of government, had any respect for the law, she wouldn't be running.

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Yeah, as Benm told you last time you put this up, this only applies if she were convicted of those crimes and as I have told you before, she didn't violate any laws as Comey, the FBI director, told everyone.
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Everyone knows she is guilty.

The FBI said she was guilty of destroying her e-mails illegally.

They just gave her a free pass.

It's one big farce and the real problem is the number of people that see nothing wrong with it.

http://menrec.com/heres-law-fbi-dire...hillary-broke/

FBI Director James Comey fully admitted that Hillary Clinton committed a crime, is unable to use carelessness as an excuse, and should be punished by a fine or imprisonment up to 10 years, but still allowed her to skate.

Comey confessed that crooked Hillary’s multiple servers contained “110 e-mails in 52 email chains … determined by the owning agency to contain classified information at the time they were sent or received.”

The FBI also determined that “it is possible that hostile actors gained access to Secretary Clinton’s personal email account.”

She handled classified information, knowingly, on multiple servers that were likely hacked by foreign agents.

But Comey offered Clinton a defense of her actions – She was simply “extremely careless,” with the director using a variant on the word “intentional” at least six times during his statement.

Intent however, doesn’t matter according to the law (18 U.S.C Section 793-F) which we’ve cited below:

(f) Whoever, being entrusted with or having lawful possession or control of any document, writing, code book, signal book, sketch, photograph, photographic negative, blueprint, plan, map, model, instrument, appliance, note, or information, relating to the national defense, (1) through gross negligence permits the same to be removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of his trust, or to be lost, stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, or (2) having knowledge that the same has been illegally removed from its proper place of custody or delivered to anyone in violation of its trust, or lost, or stolen, abstracted, or destroyed, and fails to make prompt report of such loss, theft, abstraction, or destruction to his superior officer—

Shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both.
“Gross negligence” is still a criminal offense according to laws referring to the gathering, transmitting or loss of classified information.
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You have taken two different federal criminal codes and used what is said in a different one to justify your conclusion that she committed a crime. It sounds good on paper, but it is total nonsense, in fact.

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AP-GfK Poll: 'Deplorables' Comment Sticks To Him, Not Her

When Hillary Clinton said that half of Donald Trump's supporters belong in a "basket of deplorables", Republicans thought they just might have found her campaign crushing blunder. They had hoped to cement an image of an out-of-touch snob, just as Democrats did four years ago to Mitt Romney after he said "47%" of voters backed President Barack Obama because they were "dependent on government."
But, a new Associated Press-GfK poll finds Clinton's stumble did not have the impact Trump and his supporters wanted. Instead, It's Trump who is viewed as most disconnected and disrespectful. Among registered voters, 60% say Trump doesn't respect "ordinary voters" according to the poll. That is far less than the 48% who say the same about Clinton.
Despite efforts by his campaign to keep him on message, Trump's image as an outspoken disrespectful person who brazenly skips past societal norms appears deeply ingrained among voters. Nearly 75% do not view him as even somewhat civil or compassionate and 50% say he's at least somewhat racist. Those numbers are largely unchanged for the same poll taken last July. Even among voters who they will most likely vote for Trump, 40% say the word "compassionate" doesn't describe him.
Trump is viewed unfavorably by 61% of registered voters. But, despite Clinton being seen as unfavorable by 56% of voters, only 21% believe she is somewhat racist, 50% say she's at least somewhat civil and 42% view her as compassionate.
Clinton's comments resonate with the voters her campaign must turn out to the polls in large numbers. Among Democratic voters, 54% believe Trump's backers are generally worse people than average Americans. About 50% of black and Hispanic voters and more than 40% of voters under 30 years old agree.
The AP-GfK poll of 1,694 adults, including 1,476 registered voters, was drawn from GfK's probability based KnowledgePanel, which is designed to be representative of the U.S. population, has a margin of error of 2.5%.
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FACT

She broke BOTH legal codes. BOTH apply.

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