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If you just want to get an argument going, start with something more interesting like Teej's posts. At least they deserved rebuttal.
Tend to agree with Teej for the most part, so don't feel a need to rebut his positions.

Oh, and yes. Fear-mongering does seem to be the republican go to approach to getting votes. But I'm sure Bush #3, or clinton 2 will fix everything.



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Can't we all at least agree that we don't want another Clinton or Bush?

It's like being on a merry go round until you want to puke and you dream about the thing and hear the sickening music in your sleep, just to awake and find you're chained to it.

Lets break the chain of this dynasty of despair and do anything else.
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Yes, and yet they are probably still better than some of the other options.
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Well, this is certainly the best explanation for Trump I've seen so far.

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Can't we all at least agree that we don't want another Clinton or Bush?

It's like being on a merry go round until you want to puke and you dream about the thing and hear the sickening music in your sleep, just to awake and find you're chained to it.

Lets break the chain of this dynasty of despair and do anything else.
I can certainly agree to that, either of them will only make things worse.

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On why things are the way they are, well here's another one:

Turkey, Syria, and Russia

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Turkey, Syria, and Russia
LOL

That's pretty much it.




BTW - Polls of US citizens indicated that an equivalent percentage would consider biblical justice as an alternative to national laws.

IE: If asked if their religious beliefs were a potential alternative, all faiths say, sure.

PEW polled many countries, but the quoted percentages were not from PEW for the US, but from the primarily muslim populated countries. Some other polls, done by heavily biased sources, came up with the "Half the muslims in the US want Sharia Law" stuff.


So, again, if you want to be manipulated by the terrorists, go ahead.

If you want to then have that used to manipulate you into thinking that all muslims are terrorists, go ahead.


The refugees are people trying to escape from the terrorists.

Some terrorists might try to mix in with them.


We have a vetting process to address that. NO process is fool proof...but, its still a filter.


Terrorists got in without refugees, but, if they can make us afraid of refugees, WE block their escape from the terrorists FOR the terrorists.


There are hundreds of thousands fleeing for their lives from the terrorists...and, so far, there might have been ONE who might have been a terrorist sneaking in, or, a passport dropped to make it look that way so WE'D trap them for the terrorists.




So, its more like you're a ship captain, taking survivors from a ship that sunk...knowing some of them might be criminals, or none...you don't know.

If you are brave and compassionate, you save them all, sort them out, and make sure they don't have an opportunity to cause trouble if possible.

If you are so frickin terrified that there might be a trouble maker among them...you let all of them drown so as to protect your chicken-self from the POSSIBILITY.




As a lifeguard, I knew that there was always the danger that a drowning person might struggle, and that some of them were known to have actually caused their rescuers to drown.

We save them anyway, because its the right thing to do.

I'd want someone to do that for me....if I was the one who needed help.


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No, I'll handle that.

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Oh, and yes. Fear-mongering does seem to be the republican go to approach to getting votes. But I'm sure Bush #3, or clinton 2 will fix everything.
This is true and the Democrats appeal to race bating and jealousy. Both parties are vile and by that I am primarily focusing on the leadership, the RNC and the DNC.

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More generally, Muslims mostly say that suicide bombings and other forms of violence against civilians in the name of Islam are rarely or never justified, including 92% in Indonesia and 91% in Iraq. In the United States, a 2011 survey found that 86% of Muslims say that such tactics are rarely or never justified. An additional 7% say suicide bombings are sometimes justified and 1% say they are often justified in these circumstances.
So, I looked up the source. The numbers are indeed lower for US Muslims, but still unacceptably high when you do the algebra. Nevertheless, no one is suggesting that these CITIZENS be removed. The much higher numbers from this same source, for world wide Muslims, makes a moratorium on bringing them in, prudent. Please post a link about Christian law as well as some comparison for Christian driven terrorism from around the world. Lets look at the numbers.

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We have a vetting process to address that. NO process is fool proof...but, its still a filter.
This comes to the core of the argument the problem with your reasoning. Most of your statements about compassion and the tragedy of the true refugees are valid. Also, the terrorists methods are just that, terrorism. This is not plain faced aggression, it is the leverage of low percentage attacks that are so horrific that they disproportionately interfere with the behavior of their enemy. The blending in with legitimate refugees makes these refuges threatening.

We have what they call a vetting process, but it is a joke. It is corrupt, sloppy, out dated and nearly useless. I'm not just throwing out insults. Look at how much we learn about the female terrorist within a few days of actually investigating her background. And, she has a background. Most of the refugees from Syria for example, have no background or papers.

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Personally I think the vetting process just needs a slight update. Specifically a half hour session with a polygraph. Yes they aren't perfect, not at all, but they are an indicator.

Those that pass... welcome. Those that don't, get more scrutiny. Most 95%+ would pass with zero issues.

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Ehh, Obama did try to put out the olive branch to the GOP for a good long while. Much as I dislike him, he doesn't fit that narrative. If Trump, or say Carson win on the other hand, that would be exactly the case. Trump especially I think would get bored and we'd most likely end up with a new reality tv show.

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HE DID NOT. And, he continues to insult them with his arrogant statements. And, he continues to insult us with his actions. Now where did I put that oath? Oh ya next to that Constitution thingy. Better flush, its getting backed up.

Your partisanship undermines the value of your arguments. The progressives/liberals/Democrats are as guilty of dishonesty and stupidity as the Republicans, but that always seems to be missing from your analysis. I wonder why. Remember, we are presenting arguments both for each other and more so for the other readers of this thread.

Each time I have asked this question it has been dodged, first by Starlight then by Teej and so I'll ask you, Who do you support at this time and why?
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HE DID NOT. And, he continues to insult them with his arrogant statements. And, he continues to insult us with his actions. Now where did I put that oath? Oh ya next to that Constitution thingy. Better flush, its getting backed up.

Your partisanship undermines the value of your arguments. The progressives/liberals/Democrats are as guilty of dishonesty and stupidity as the Republicans, but that always seems to be missing from your analysis. I wonder why. Remember, we are presenting arguments both for each other and more so for the other readers of this thread.
Of course the democrats are just as guilty of lying. When it comes to socially suicidal idiocies, that's more GOP style though.

Now as for them being stupid - take this with some offense, you're being extremely naive.

None of these people are stupid, not Trump, Bush, Carson, Clinton, Christie. Also none of them are specifically against you, or the constitution.

What they are for, is themselves, and extending their own power. Regardless of little trifles like morality and some two hundred year old piece of paper.

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Sanders. He is by far the most consistent, and actually bothers to vote himself.

Of course it will turn into another Clinton Vs Bush election, and Clinton is going to win.

Here's another question... who's the biggest wingnut of them all? I elect Carson for that. Even trump can't trump him in the absurd statements department.
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Stupid is as stupid does. The actions of both parties are stupid. Thay are undermining the societies they feed off of.

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So, I take it you mean that this is your preference for President? Not a ringing endorsement and so I guess I missed it. I believe he may be one of the most honest and is not even in the same universe as Hilliary. But, his plan to double down on heavy socialism with an even bigger government sector will seriously hurt American productivity. Taking in large numbers of immigrants (of any faith) from largely third world countries will put an even bigger burden on the social trough.

This is where a smaller government is the solution. If one assumes that politicians will always seek to increase their own power and the private sector has to spend resources to defend against government not to mention to fund it, reducing government will decrease this problem.

In an interesting interview with Trump yesterday he claimed how the US could have saved nearly $5T if we had not gotten involved in the Mideast after Kuwait. Iraq was Bush's doing and is squarely a Republican mistake. If his policies are as critical of domestic waste he will make all the right enemies, on both sides.
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Correct, it is not a ringing endorsement, but it is an endorsement.

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If Trump wins the republican nominee and there's a low voter turn out, then the possibility of him winning will be a high one.

The idea of deporting everyone and building a wall is absolutely ludicrous and a waste of dollars. Most of those "illegal" immigrants are hard working family folk. I still haven't figured out why people are so afraid to allow other people to be successful. You're not going to be forced to eat manakeesh and enchiladas every night.
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The idea of deporting everyone and building a wall is absolutely ludicrous and a waste of dollars.
Not at all. It's a good investment unless your a crooked Democrat looking for future votes (70% of immigrants vote Democrat) or a Republican importing low wage workers for big business donors and are terrified by a biased media. Over 90% of the MSM votes Democrat.


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Most of those "illegal" immigrants are hard working family folk.
This is not the point. Immigrants and especially refuges disproportionately use public services and are disproportionately involved with criminal activity as reflected in crime statistics. In Oslo last year, 100%, not most, but 100% of rapes were committed by immigrants.

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I still haven't figured out why people are so afraid to allow other people to be successful.
Consider one of the major platforms of the Democrat party...jealousy.
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Not at all. It's a good investment unless your a crooked Democrat looking for future votes (70% of immigrants vote Democrat) or a Republican importing low wage workers for big business donors and are terrified by a biased media. Over 90% of the MSM votes Democrat.




This is not the point. Immigrants and especially refuges disproportionately use public services and are disproportionately involved with criminal activity as reflected in crime statistics. In Oslo last year, 100%, not most, but 100% of rapes were committed by immigrants.



Consider one of the major platforms of the Democrat party...jealousy.
With all due respect, what is the return investment like on deporting over 11 million people?


Are we talking about immigrants or Illegal immigrants? Because Illegal immigrants do not qualify for welfare, food stamps, Medicaid, and most other public benefits. It's a common misconception that immigration increases crime. Read Here
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