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Old 09-19-2016, 10:06 PM #1713
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FYI absolutely ANYTHING the "Great Satan" does (and much the US doesn't do, just made up garbage) can be used as a terrorist recruiting tool.

NOTHING short of instituting Islam as the National Religion and installing a Caliphate will ever satisfy Islamic extremists.

Nothing we do will EVER make us look less evil in their eyes.



This is the opinion I have formed by talking to these people (imprisoned extremists) every single day from 2003-2004 then another year in 2005-2006 and again in 2007-2008.



O and we now have ISIS bombings in the US.
This is a perfect example of what I've been saying. Locking up innocent Muslims is the recruiting tool I was talking about. The Bush administration was giving out bounties to other Muslims to give up "so-called terrorists", and without even asking the question "are these people even terrorists?" and against the advice of people who had been interrogating real terrorists, they proceeded to torture them. Many of these people were later found to be innocent of any terrorism and THAT is the recruiting tool I was talking about. Calling the bombings in New York and and other acts of violence as being ISIS inspired is not only untrue, it is an out right lie as the FBI and other agencies have examined them and found them to either be non-terrorist acts or not inspired by ISIS at all. But, Trump has said they are so you defend this lie even against all evidence to the contrary. There are extremists that are trying to overturn this country's foundations of freedom, but they are a small minority of all Muslims and to characterize all Muslims as the cause is to alienate over 1 billion people world wide. By trying to make the religion itself the bad guy here is playing right into the terrorist's plans. You can't erase history by claiming a different reality as Trump has done. Some people are that ignorant, but most aren't.


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This is a perfect example of what I've been saying. Locking up innocent Muslims is the recruiting tool I was talking about. The Bush administration was giving out bounties to other Muslims to give up "so-called terrorists", and without even asking the question "are these people even terrorists?" and against the advice of people who had been interrogating real terrorists, they proceeded to torture them. Many of these people were later found to be innocent of any terrorism and THAT is the recruiting tool I was talking about. Calling the bombings in New York and and other acts of violence as being ISIS inspired is not only untrue, it is an out right lie as the FBI and other agencies have examined them and found them to either be non-terrorist acts or not inspired by ISIS at all. But, Trump has said they are so you defend this lie even against all evidence to the contrary. There are extremists that are trying to overturn this country's foundations of freedom, but they are a small minority of all Muslims and to characterize all Muslims as the cause is to alienate over 1 billion people world wide. By trying to make the religion itself the bad guy here is playing right into the terrorist's plans. You can't erase history by claiming a different reality as Trump has done. Some people are that ignorant, but most aren't.
Your exposing how ignorant you are.

I talked to these people every day because I was the one capturing and handling them.

Every single one after being secured had no qualms about telling their story.

The reason for why America was so evil ranged from immoral pronz to controlling puppet governments in what every country sounded good at the time.
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Do you remember the photographs of American service people mistreating and torturing their captives after the Iraq invasion and the massive denouncement of these actions by everyone in the world, including our own allies? That is the problem I was talking about, and if you can't see it....well, who cares, but everyone else did. You say that you talked to these terrorists. Did you have to mistreat them to get them to talk to you? That was the point most interrogators were making at the beginning of the torture program. You also said that you watched Hillary Clinton say that President Obama was not born in this country. That is pure nonsense, as that never happened.
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Gitmo is an Obama/Democrat failure, he has been running it longer than Bush did. That disgusting ____ occurred under Democrat management.

"Handling" prisoners is the job of Intel. The only actions I had with prisoners (the ones who gave up and weren't killed when we engaged them) was to zip strip, and transport back to holding on base. I would often go down there to lead PT (physical training) along with a medic to make sure detainees were in good health.

Why "guided" PT? because many detainees would hide or inflict injuries on themselves and others then claim mistreatment hoping for release. Having them do exercises was an easy and subtle way detect injuries without having to even touch prisoners.
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Gitmo is an Obama/Democrat failure, he has been running it longer than Bush did. That disgusting ____ occurred under Democrat management.

"Handling" prisoners is the job of Intel. The only actions I had with prisoners (the ones who gave up and weren't killed when we engaged them) was to zip strip, and transport back to holding on base. I would often go down there to lead PT (physical training) along with a medic to make sure detainees were in good health.

Why "guided" PT? because many detainees would hide or inflict injuries on themselves and others then claim mistreatment hoping for release. Having them do exercises was an easy and subtle way detect injuries without having to even touch prisoners.
Obama promised to close Gitmo, but has been blocked at every turn by the Republicans in congress. Even when they were in the minority in the Senate they would threaten filibuster to keep a vote from coming to the floor. It would have closed long ago if not for Republicans and I have never heard ANYONE dispute that. The torture was ended by Obama, and that is not up for debate either. It is an historical fact.
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Obama promised to close Gitmo, but has been blocked at every turn by the Republicans in congress. Even when they were in the minority in the Senate they would threaten filibuster to keep a vote from coming to the floor. It would have closed long ago if not for Republicans and I have never heard ANYONE dispute that. The torture was ended by Obama, and that is not up for debate either. It is an historical fact.
My how Liberals LOVE to forget that Obama had a Democrat controlled house and senate for a full 2 years.

Yet Republicans are still responsible for Obamas failed promises during that time.

A minority in the Senate can't block anything a filibuster can't block anything. Your just required to wait it out. Democrats just have so little willpower to really do anything that they get "defeated" by this simplistic tactic of talking longer than Democrats are willing to wait.

But boy do Liberals love to spin that around when they want to use that tactic.
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My how Liberals LOVE to forget that Obama had a Democrat controlled house and senate for a full 2 years.

Yet Republicans are still responsible for Obamas failed promises during that time.

A minority in the Senate can't block anything a filibuster can't block anything. Your just required to wait it out. Democrats just have so little willpower to really do anything that they get "defeated" by this simplistic tactic of talking longer than Democrats are willing to wait.

But boy do Liberals love to spin that around when they want to use that tactic.
Your lack of knowledge of how the Senate works, while not surprising, is totally wrong. Only when the majority hold a 2/3rds majority can it bring legislation to the floor against the threatened filibuster of the minority. Most people familiar with the Senate know this and it is why most things don't get through the Senate without bipartisan approval.
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Your lack of knowledge of how the Senate works, while not surprising, is totally wrong. Only when the majority hold a 2/3rds majority can it bring legislation to the floor against the threatened filibuster of the minority. Most people familiar with the Senate know this and it is why most things don't get through the Senate without bipartisan approval.
Talk about lack of knowledge of how the Senate works...

A filibuster can't stop legislation. Democrats are just too lazy to wait them out.
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It doesn't even get to a filibuster any longer. Just the threat of one stops legislation from both parties in its tracks. You need to brush up on your high school civics. This is not a secret and most people know this by the time they become a sophomore in HS.
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Now your arguing your point on distinction of mine.

As pointed out fact. A filibuster can't stop legislation. People are just too lazy to wait them out.

One more reason to vote all career politicians out of office.
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Now your arguing your point on distinction of mine.

As pointed out fact. A filibuster can't stop legislation. People are just too lazy to wait them out.

One more reason to vote all career politicians out of office.
Or you can, you know, invoke cloture.

Required reading: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloture#United_States

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Your problem with voting career politicians out of office is you can only vote out the ones in your state. Most people like their own Senators and House Representatives, it's every other state's politicians people hate and you can't vote them out. Knowledge! It's a wonderful thing. Get some. Yes, the link Trevor, LumenOS, gave you.
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You should see how we do things in Montana.

Democrats who understand smaller government is better government. Conservative Democrats... The death nail for "True Blue" Democrats.
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Democrats who understand smaller government is better government. Conservative Democrats... The death nail for "True Blue" Democrats.
Actually the term is "death knell" which is the ringing of the church bells when someone dies. It is also linked to the phrase "for whom the bell tolls", my scholarly Montana adversary. There have always been conservative Democrats. They are called Blue Dog Democrats. It is Republicans that made the nonsense to rid themselves of progressive Republicans.

There was an interesting article in The Atlantic today about "Chaos". It is about the tearing down of the government and why nobody is able to get anything done any longer. It probably started with Richard Nixon's resignation from the presidency for the Watergate incident and also the release of the pentagon papers which showed that the people had been lied to about the Vietnam war. It most certainly was because of Ronald Reagan's Reaganomics that he wanted to make government smaller. Before all these things happened, people were actually able to get things done in Washington by compromising on different programs which is the way politics has always been done. There were many people who worked in government that would get the various parties together on different issues and by bipartisan votes in congress, got things done. But, now we have people like Cruz, who actually shut down the government, something no one ever wants to happen and the Tea Party who have their own right wing agendas running things now and there is no incentive to get the things that need to get done such as addressing the national debt. Unlike the time of the Johnson administration who got the civil rights act through congress with the help of Republicans, there is no longer any incentive to compromise as it is seen as capitulation instead. Chaos is now the new normal and it is the reason someone like Trump was able to get the nomination with 12% of Republicans voting for him. The article states that we are now so far into this new normal, that we will continue to get the worst of the bad decisions from now on. No one is interested any longer in trying to compromise and get things that need to be done in Washington and chaos is the new normal. It is a very interesting and thought provoking article that if you are interested you should try to read. And by you, I mean anyone who reads and is interested in gaining some insight.
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They compromise with outlandish riders, that's why neither side want's the line item veto allowed.
We need some representatives who care about more than stuffing their pockets.

Speaking of chaos, when the government is corrupt in plain view and the crooked are not held accountable, that lawlessness can spread to the people.

We need Trump to clean up, Hillary is dirty as hell and everyone knows it, she is unfit to serve because people will have such tremendous animosity that it may tear us apart.

We must have some real change to maintain that country of laws you spoke of, not a lawless leader who has been blatantly above the law and is very hated by half the nation.
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You missed the whole purpose of the article on chaos. It was caused by the people. It is not coming from the top down, but from the bottom up. You really should read the article as it was very thought provoking.
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