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Old 09-16-2016, 10:07 PM #1681
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UNWINDING A LIE: DONALD TRUMP AND BIRTHERISM

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TRUMP ADMITS OBAMA BORN IN U.S.; FALSELY BLAMES CLINTON FOR STARTING THE RUMORS

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TRUMP FIT AN IMPRESSIVE AMOUNT OF LIES IN HIS 30 SECOND STATEMENT ON BIRTHERISM

In a roughly 30 minute Donald Trump event billed as a press conference on birhterism, Trump spoke for merely 36 seconds. And all 36 seconds were a lie.
The statement: "Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it. You know what I mean. President Barack Obama was born in the United States. Period. Now we all want to get back to making America strong and great again. Thank you, thank you very much", Trump said.

Clinton started the birther controversy: PolitiFact, "there is no record of that Clinton herself, or anyone within her campaign, ever advanced the charge that Obama was not born in the United States." Other nonpartisan fact checkers who have repeatedly debunked this claim include FactCheck, CNN, and the Washington Post.

Trump finished the conspiracy theory: Trump tried to pass off his involvement in the conspiracy theory as a public service, since he fanned the conspiracy for years, ultimately forcing Obama to release his birth certificate. This interpretation is not just generous. It's a lie. Trump's involvement with the birther movement is heavily documented. The Republican nominee launched his national political career by bringing birth certificate conspiracies to national prominence over the past eight years, demanding Obama produce his birth documents and then questioning their validity even when Obama released his long form birth certificate in 2011. Despite his campaign's efforts to distance the Republican nominee from his long, ugly history with the birther movement, Trump has repeatedly propped up this movement, even as recently as this week. In an interview with the Washington Post he wasn't ready to say if he believed Obama was born in the United States. Trump certainly didn't finish it; he has continued it.


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3 liberal rags all telling the exact same lie.

I was watching in 2008 when Hillary pushed the birther BS.

No indeed she wasn't the one who dreamed it up, she just pushed the idea.

Patti Solis Doyle, who was Hillary Clinton’s campaign manager in 2008 until the Iowa caucuses, admitted on Friday that a Clinton campaign staffer had, in fact, circulated the Birther conspiracy theory that Barack Obama was born outside the U.S. and therefore potentially ineligible to serve in the presidency.
Doyle made the admission on Twitter, as she responded to former George W. Bush spokesman Ari Fleischer. Fleischer said that Clinton’s staff had spread the rumor. Doyle said that was a “lie” — but admitted, in the same tweet, that she had fired the “rogue” staffer who had used email to spread the Birther conspiracy theory.
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This is from Breitbart, the actual campaign of Trump's. Even if you took it as fact, AaronT has twisted the facts from that "source". It said that a volunteer staffer in a county in Iowa had passed along an email that had a birther reference on it and was immediately fired. it was one person in one county in Iowa, and she was fired for it. This doesn't make Clinton the SOURCE or even the campaign as complicit. Trump, on the other hand, has a long history of this. He has made this conspiracy theory part and parcel of his early campaign and had continued the conspiracy as lately as this week. Get your facts straight, kid. And you were watching as Hillary made a birther statement is far beyond belief. How old were you eight years ago? 10? 12? Nonsense!
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WHOA! Low Income Hillary Donors Say Campaign Stealing by Repeatedly Overcharging Them

Exclusive: Hillary Clinton Campaign Systematically Overcharging Poorest Donors

Hillary Clinton’s campaign is stealing from her poorest supporters by purposefully and repeatedly overcharging them after they make what’s supposed to be a one-time small donation through her official campaign website, multiple sources tell the Observer.

The overcharges are occurring so often that the fraud department at one of the nation’s biggest banks receives up to 100 phone calls a day from Clinton’s small donors asking for refunds for unauthorized charges to their bankcards made by Clinton’s campaign. One elderly Clinton donor, who has been a victim of this fraud scheme, has filed a complaint with her state’s attorney general and a representative from the office told her that they had forwarded her case to the Federal Election Commission.

“We get up to a hundred calls a day from Hillary’s low-income supporters complaining about multiple unauthorized charges,” a source, who asked to remain anonymous for fear of job security, from the Wells Fargo fraud department told the Observer. The source claims that the Clinton campaign has been pulling this stunt since Spring of this year. The Hillary for America campaign will overcharge small donors by repeatedly charging small amounts such as $20 to the bankcards of donors who made a one-time donation. However, the Clinton campaign strategically doesn’t overcharge these donors $100 or more because the bank would then be obligated to investigate the fraud.

“We don’t investigate fraudulent charges unless they are over $100,” the fraud specialist explained. “The Clinton campaign knows this, that’s why we don’t see any charges over the $100 amount, they’ll stop the charges just below $100. We’ll see her campaign overcharge donors by $20, $40 or $60 but never more than $100.” The source, who has worked for Wells Fargo for over 10 years, said that the total amount they refund customers on a daily basis who have been overcharged by Clinton’s campaign “varies” but the bank usually issues refunds that total between $700 and $1200 per day.



What is Hillarys tax plan?
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Exclusive: Hillary Clinton Campaign Systematically Overcharging Poorest Donors
Can't even check the authenticity of this website as it is asking for your name and password. Where do you find these crap sources, and have you ever heard of security? Unbelievable.

ENJOY YOUR CRAPFEST OF UNBELIEVABLE SOURCES. SO FAR, YOU ARE BATTING 1000. i'M NOT EVEN RESPONDING TO THIS CRAP ANY LONGER.
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Works fine for me and I've never signed up for anything. I suspect a ruse on your part to ignore new facts.
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My internet security informed me that opening this website would give them my name and password. I suspected you've been hacked. Shees!
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Then your security is crap and gives you false positives. You should research some more current software.
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"Hillary Clinton and her campaign of 2008 started the birther controversy. I finished it", said Trump today.
As we have written before, there's no evidence that Clinton or her campaign had anything to do with the bogus claims that Obama wasn't born in the U.S. and thus was ineligible to be president. What we do know, as we wrote in 11/2008 is some diehard Clinton supporters pushed that theory during that year's presidential campaign. But again, there is no evidence that Clinton herself or anyone on her campaign staff was involved with that. Again, if there is any evidence that Clinton or her campaign had something to do with the origins of the so-called birther movement, we've yet to see it. And Trump has never offered any proof. Back is 2008 the Obama campaign had made public the official certificate issued by the state of Hawaii. FactCheck.org staffers touched, examined and photographed that document as we wrote in our "Born in the U.S.A." article. Trump claimed in 2011 that the "certificate of live birth" that Obama had produced in 2008 was "not a birth certificate", but we noted that he was wrong. The U.S. Department of State uses "birth certificate" as a generic term to include the official Hawaii document, which satisfies legal requirements for proving citizenship and obtaining a passport. There also were public announcements of Obama's birth published in Hawaii shortly after Obama's birth in 1961 (placed there not by his family as Trump suggested, but based on official state records). And the states top vital records official, Dr. Chiyome Leinaala Fukino, director of the Hawaii Department of Health, issued a statement in 2009 stating that she had "seen the original vital records maintained on file" and that those records which are confidential under state law, verified that "Barrack Hussein Obama was born in Hawaii and is a natural born citizen."
On April 27, 2011, just a few weeks after Trump began floating some of his bogus conspiracy theories about Obama's birth place, President Obama released the long form version of his birth certificate. At that time he said, "we do not have time to spend on this kind of silliness." So while trump may have an argument that he played a role in getting Obama to release his long form birth certificate, he's wrong to say he "finished" the debate. It was already finished long before, at least to our satisfaction.
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Even though I didn't allow it, my browser now says I have a Zeus Virus since i tried to log onto it. Too late to do anything about it now. Crap.
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Sounds like your internet security and antivirus suck, you should research more up to date software.
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Did you know that Donald Trump doesn't drink alcohol? Apparently his brother died from alcoholism and Trump won't touch the stuff. Good for him! I like an occasional glass of beer or wine, but I like the fact that Trump is stone-cold sober. Apparently, Hillary Clinton is an alcoholic and struggles with her heavy drinking even with all of her health problems.

I just found these things interesting.
Yet he has his own line of vodka called Trump Vodka.


If I was so against alcohol and lost a brother to it I wouldn't have anything to do with alcohol making. Makes you wonder.... doesn't it?
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Yet he has his own line of vodka called Trump Vodka.


If I was so against alcohol and lost a brother to it I wouldn't have anything to do with alcohol making. Makes you wonder.... doesn't it?
Alcoholisim runs in my fam, the genes skipped me, maybe they didn't skip Trump?

I also have a food intolerance for blue food dye, would I have a problem being a blue food dye MFR?

This shows me Trump, unlike many liberals, is able to diverse his personal feelings from his professional opinion. He isn't going to push laws just because his "feels" tell him to.



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I don't see the problem either.

I guess it's a really liberal standpoint: while he opts not to drink alcohol, he does not want to interfere with other peoples freedom to do so.

Personally i think people should be able to use cannabis if they want to. Despite being dutch i rarely smoke any, but i don't think it should be illegal to do so. Liberty is about letting people do what they want, even if it is something you yourself do not want to do.

The opposite is usually being quite idiotic, like banning others to build tall buildings because you are affraid of heights.

Then again i'm seriously affraid of heights, live on the 15th floor and am perfectly comfortable as long as the balcony has a railing, and have no problem flying on airplanes. If someone wants to build a balcony without a railing on an airplane i have no problem with that either, as long as i don't have to stand on it
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