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Old 09-15-2016, 08:26 PM #1649
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What about this? Hillary Clinton Kissed by Former Klan Member : snopes.com

She obviously is very close to this guy. Hillary Clinton Kissed by Former Klan Member : snopes.com

You know snopes is the god of progressive fact conformation.

Despite mounting criticism for Donald Trump’s failure to disavow former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Duke’s support, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton once heaped praise for late Klan leader Sen. Robert Byrd.

In a video uploaded to the State Department’s official YouTube page on June 28, 2010, Clinton commemorated late Sen. Byrd by saying, “Today our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.

This photograph and video are undeniably genuine: The photograph was taken in July 2004, and the video of Clinton was filmed on 28 June 2010, shortly after Byrd's death.

It's also true that Robert Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s and helped establish the hate group's chapter in Sophia, West Virginia. However, in 1952 Byrd avowed that "After about a year, I became disinterested [in the KKK], quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization," and throughout his long political career (he served for 57 years in the United States Congress) he repeatedly apologized for his involvement with the KKK:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

In 2010, even the NAACP released a statement honoring Senator Byrd and mourning his passing:

The NAACP is saddened by the passing of United States Senator Robert Byrd. Byrd, the longest serving member of congress was first elected to the U.S. House from [West Virginia] in 1952 and was elected Senator in 1958. Byrd passed away this morning at the age of 92.

"Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation," stated NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous. "Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country.

"Senator Byrd came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda, doing well on the NAACP Annual Civil Rights Report Card. He stood with us on many issues of crucial importance to our members from the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act, the historic health care legislation of 2010 and his support for the Hate Crimes Prevention legislation," stated Hilary O. Shelton, Director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and Senior Vice President for Advocacy and Policy. "Senator Byrd was a master of the Senate Rules, and helped strategize passage of legislation that helped millions of Americans. He will be sorely missed."

Although this image was used to criticize the media for ignoring Hillary Clinton's connection to former KKK member Robert Byrd while simultaneously playing up Donald Trump's comments regarding former Klan member David Duke, several factors made the latter much more newsworthy in early 2016

First of all, Trump declined to condemn Duke and the Ku Klux Klan in February 2016, making the story current and newsworthy, whilephotograph of Hillary Clinton was taken more than a decade ago. The lack of current coverage isn't because the print media are ignoring the association, but because the photograph is a several-year-old story.

Second, while David Duke is no longer a member of the Ku Klux Klan, he is still an active member of another white supremacist organization, NAAWP: the National Association for the Advancement of White People. Duke, a prominent Holocaust denier (although he describes himself as a "Holocaust exposer"), also has a more-than-passing interest in politics: the former member of the Louisiana House of Representatives has run for the U.S. Senate, governor of Louisiana, and President of the United States. Duke has spent his life founding and supporting various white nationalist and white supremacist groups, while Byrd, by contrast, spent the majority of his life publicly disavowing and repeatedly apologizing for hisearly KKK affiliation.

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Yes, I've answered this before. Robert Bird was a US Senator who had done some things in his past that should never be repeated, but Clinton was honoring the Senator, not his ugly past. If this is the best you have to link Clinton to the KKK it is a sorry failure.

On the other hand, Trump has HUGE support from the KKK and white supremacists from all over this country Even your own posts say as much. Lets talk about that for awhile. Oh, wait, I already have.


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No you don't. You spin, you lie you make things up. Here's but one example:

"Trump is hiding all kinds of stuff. All the charitable contributions he made with other people's money, the ties to foreign governments and criminals, the taxes he never pays. It is a veritable laundry list."

Trump is hiding the taxes he never pays? You have no proof, evidence, or even an indication of what taxes Trump pays or doesn't pay. He hasn't made his tax records public, so you have no basis to claim this, or that he has made charitable contributions with other people's money! NO ONE has to make their tax records public. I don't. You don't. Not one tax-paying individual that I know EVER makes their tax records public.

But, one thing we do know is that Trump has made his tax return known to the IRS. The same IRS that systematically attacked conservative non-profits for political gain. Believe me, if there was any problem with Trump's tax return or if he is evading taxes, the IRS would have saluted Mr. Trump with notable kicks on the rear all the way to the federal penitentiary.

Is Paul better at auditing Mr. Trump's tax returns than the Obama IRS? How is Paul at auditing the Clinton Foundation returns? Not so good. He neglects to mention that Bill and Hillary sheepishly had to admit to making some sizeable "mistakes" on their Foundation's returns forcing them to refile for I believe 4 or 6 years.

If I were Trump, I would tell Hillary that I would release my last 3 years of tax returns when she releases her last 3 years of all medical records. Otherwise, I wouldn't play the stupid tax return game. Leave auditing tax returns to the professional thugs, i.e. the IRS.

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Yes, I've answered this before. Robert Bird was a US Senator who had done some things in his past that should never be repeated, but Clinton was honoring the Senator, not his ugly past. If this is the best you have to link Clinton to the KKK it is a sorry failure.

On the other hand, Trump has HUGE support from the KKK and white supremacists from all over this country Even your own posts say as much. Lets talk about that for awhile. Oh, wait, I already have.
O I see, if it is a democrats past it doesn't count.

If it is in a non democrats past it does count.

What a Hypocrite.
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You are a hypocrite.


What makes it ok to bring up Trumps past and not Hillarys?

Who are you to decide how old information is before it becomes irrelevant?
You can talk about this all you want. What are you saying make me a hypocrite? It's okay to talk about anything in Clinton's past. It is just the things you bring up are her support of Goldwater back in 1964. Hardly stands up as abhorrent as Trump's denial of Blacks to his rental buildings, or his racist views today that seem to resonate among KKK members and white supremacists. Nor does it seem as bad as Trump's stiffing small business owners in Atlantic City by filing for bankruptcy and if he paid them, it was only pennys on the dollar.
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You can talk about this all you want. What are you saying make me a hypocrite? It's okay to talk about anything in Clinton's past. It is just the things you bring up are her support of Goldwater back in 1964. Hardly stands up as abhorrent as Trump's denial of Blacks to his rental buildings, or his racist views today that seem to resonate among KKK members and white supremacists. Nor does it seem as bad as Trump's stiffing small business owners in Atlantic City by filing for bankruptcy and if he paid them, it was only pennys on the dollar.
Clintons turn IRS into ‘gestapo’
During Bill Clinton’s second term, reports surfaced that prominent conservative groups had been subjected to audits while there was no indication that any corresponding organizations on the political left had been targeted by the IRS.

Covering Bill’s dirty deeds
Amid allegations of ***ual assault against Bill Clinton that cast a negative light on the political power couple, Hillary reportedly aided her husband not only by publicly defending him, but by using shady – and potentially criminal – tactics in an effort to delegitimize his accusers.

Looting the White House
After Clinton’s second term came to a close, the couple reportedly attempted to take roughly $190,000 worth of furniture and other items from the White House – on top of causing about $14,000 in vandalism damage to the presidential mansion.

Filegate: FBI files on GOP enemies
The Clintons reportedly gained confidential tax records on many of their political rivals, a scheme in which Judicial Watch claimed Hillary played a central role.

Hillary’s ‘Muslim Brotherhood princess’

Huma Abedin, a confidant who served as Hillary Clinton’s deputy chief of staff, was linked to the Muslim Brotherhood – specifically through the al-Qaeda connections of both her mother and father.

Vince Foster’s 1993 death
Family friend and White House counsel Vince Foster was himself embroiled in at least a few of the Clintons’ early scandals until his suspicious death. Initially ruled a suicide, the circumstances of Foster’s death have led to significant speculation in the decades since.

Emailgate: ‘She should go to prison for this’
One of the more recent scandals involves Hillary Clinton’s admitted use of a personal email server to share official correspondences during her stint as secretary of state.

Chinagate: Sale of high-tech secrets
Judicial Watch initially released a report suggesting Chinese corporations supported Bill Clinton’s 1996 reelection effort in exchange for technology secrets.

Travelgate: Always room for friends
During the Clinton administration, the Clintons reportedly laid off the White House travel office staff so that they could fill the department with family members and friends.

Whitewater: Jail for friends, but not Clintons
One of the most identifiable Clinton scandals involved an investigation into a real estate deal that later encompassed accusations of improper campaign donations and the couple’s potential involvement in Foster’s death.

‘Landing under sniper fire’ in Bosnia

Hillary Clinton has faced criticism for her since-debunked 2008 claim that, more than a decade earlier, she was touring war-torn Bosnia in a helicopter as it sustained sniper fire. While she described a very dramatic landing, news footage of the event showed no such threat existed.

Hillary’s ‘missing’ law firm billing records
More than 100 pages of pertinent information went missing ahead of a 1994 federal investigation into Hillary Clinton’s involvement in the Watergate scandal. When the documents did surface two years later, it was revealed that she was in contact with many of the scandal’s central figures.

Pardongate: Hillary Senate contributions
The wife of one convicted tax cheat pardoned by Bill Clinton at the end of his second term responded by becoming a major contributor to Hillary’s 2000 campaign to become a New York senator.

Hillary’s cash cows and 9,987 percent profit
A series of investments in cattle futures was seriously profitable for a young Hillary Clinton. Between 1978 and 1979, a $1,000 investment turned into a nearly $100,000 profit, a success subsequently linked to a Clinton supporter who also happened to be a high-level player at Tyson Foods.

Clinton body count: ‘You find dead people’
Foster was not the only suspicious death linked to the Clintons. In addition to those who met an untimely end after crossing the powerful couple, many others on their wrong side also ended up behind bars.

Hillary’s radical pal, Saul Alinsky
Reports indicate community organizer and author of Rules for Radicals, Saul Alinsky, was a major influence on a young Hillary Clinton. She was involved in Alinsky’s group, Industrial Areas Foundation, for decades after the radical activist’s death.

Hillary laughs about defending child rapist
Audio unveiled decades after it was recorded revealed Hillary Clinton celebrating the fact that an accused child rapist she represented was set free in 1975 – despite the fact that she insinuated that she believed him to be guilty of the crime.

Hillary ca$hes in: Iranian fundraising
The Clinton Foundation reportedly received numerous financial contributions from a group accused of serving as an agent of the Iranian government.

Clinton Foundation: Scandals keep coming
The Clintons’ nonprofit organization has faced controversy far beyond the Iranian connection, including accusations of tax fraud and a secretive deal believed to have facilitated the release of nuclear material to Russia.

Benghazi: 4 American lives lost
A scandal that continues to incite passions involves then-Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, lambasted for her perceived inaction before, during, and after a 2012 attack that killed four Americans in Libya.

Peter Franklin Paul: Another Hillary friend goes to prison
Paul was an entertainment executive and major financial supporter of Hillary Clinton’s 2000 Senate bid. He has since become an outspoken critic after accepting a plea deal and serving three years in prison for what he contended was retaliation for calling attention to fraud within Clinton’s fundraising methods.

Watergate: Fired for being a ‘liar’
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Hillary says we need camps for adults.

"As I have gotten older, I have decided we really need camps for adults. And we need adults camps that you all run. Really. None of the serious stuff. None of the life-challenging stuff… more fun. I think we have a huge fun deficit in America. And we need to figure out how to fill that fun deficit, certainly for our kids but also for the rest of us. We need some [garbled] from time to time, maybe some enrichment, certainly some time outdoors. Maybe actually spending time with people that we didn’t know before." Hillary

Is she pitching that the Government should fund these "Fun Camps?"

Re-education camp anybody?
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You have made a list of every conspiracy theory touted by every right leaning organization since 1992. None of it proven, and most already debunked many years ago. This and which candidate is the healthiest are the smoke screens the Trump campaign put up so people won't look at Trump's financial interests all over the world that intersect with American national security interests and the fact that he won't divulge any of it or release his tax records. For people who haven't yet read Kurt Eichenwald's investigative piece in Newsweek about Trump's business partnerships in places like India, Turkey, and the United Arab Emirates, it is a must read, showing a presidential candidate who is the CEO of a company that has an extraordinary complex web of interests and arrangements in the U.S. and around the world that could directly affect his decisions as president, and what's worse is that they are all ongoing. As president his own bank account would be affected by his decisions. Clinton has released her tax records, her foundation's income and expenditures, Pence, Trump's running mate has released his, but Trump, the person who has the most to gain or lose by his decisions, NOTHING. Trump's latest answer on "Fox and Friends" this morning is he will sever his connection with them, but his children would continue to run the Trump Organization if he is elected president. At times Trump and his children have referred to this as a "blind trust", but that is a lie. A blind trust is where you give the running of your company to an independent person you don't have contact with and are not allowed to know about any decisions they make or know what they are doing with your money. It also doesn't answer the conflict of interest that exists now. People who are serious about this election and are thinking of voting for Trump should be asking these questions as they are the most important ones of this election.
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Ok, got it.

All Hillarys scandals are fake.

All Trump scandals are real.



At the very least you should be upset that Clinton took campaign money and donations to the Clinton foundation from Trump in the past. How dare they accept the support of Trump.

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It's all a big show.

Trump and the Clintons have been good friends for decades.

Liberals buy this fake animosity and eat it up.

Either that or Clinton is so shallow that she will destroy a 30 year friendship just because that friend is running against her.

If you have any doubt how fake the animosity is just look at what Obama said about Clinton and vise versa during the 2008 election.
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Bottom line, Trump is about as "Republican Party" as Hillary is.

The fact that no party supports him (non establishment candidate) is the only reason I'm voting for him.

BOTH parties are beyond saving.

IMHO this entire country may be beyond saving. (excluding complete political revolution)
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Um triple post much? BTW Trump has been a lobbyist his entire life until he started to run for president. He is going against the status quo of lobbyists which is why I like him so much, he is a lot like Tom Jefferson, "dissent is the highest form of patriotism"
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IMHO this entire country may be beyond saving. (excluding complete political revolution)
Oh well, you could try a many-party system where the popular vote counts and there are no states to win or lose.

This is fairly common in europe and works reasonably well once you get used to it. Downside is you don't get absolute majority winners like americans might like, coalitions need to be formed, compromises made etc.

It's interesting how the US elections are always news in europe while the only thing we really care about is not starting world war 3
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This is a ridiculous statement as Trump and his father were investigated by the Justice Department and then sued by them in 1973 for discrimination against blacks. Fred Trump and it's new chairman of their company, Donald J Trump, were both named as defendants. Instead of trying to quietly settle, like another New York developer had done two years earlier, Donald Trump turned it into a protracted battle, complete with angry denials, character assassinations, charges that the government was trying to make him rent to "welfare recipients" and a $100 million counter-suit accusing the Justice Dept. of defamation. When it was all over Donald Trump was forced to sign a consent decree, which he failed to live up to and was hauled back into court five years later. His counter-suit was, of course, dismissed. The NAACP had been investigating Trump for longer than that as they would have a white couple interview for an apartment that Trump's rental manager had told a qualified black couple was no longer for rent. When the white couple were allowed to rent the no longer available property, the NAACP would confront the manager and were often the recipients of racial slurs, such as "N... lover" and "a disgrace to your own race." Just in case this didn't occur to you, the NAACP had white members who were the butt of the slurs.
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Oh well, you could try a many-party system where the popular vote counts and there are no states to win or lose.

This is fairly common in europe and works reasonably well once you get used to it. Downside is you don't get absolute majority winners like americans might like, coalitions need to be formed, compromises made etc.

It's interesting how the US elections are always news in europe while the only thing we really care about is not starting world war 3
We need to abolish all political parties, ban lobbying, super packs, campaign funds should be capped (Stump, accept donations or pay out of pocket but all moneys need the amount and donor declared).

Make each candidate run on their own merits.



IMHO in the age of information centralized government is obsolete. If you want services that the government used to provide then crowdfund them or donate to a person/org doing something about it.

Real charity is giving help yourself, not voting to steal (tax) someones money to pay for your cause.
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This is a ridiculous statement as Trump and his father were investigated by the Justice Department and then sued by them in 1973 for discrimination against blacks. Fred Trump and it's new chairman of their company, Donald J Trump, were both named as defendants. Instead of trying to quietly settle, like another New York developer had done two years earlier, Donald Trump turned it into a protracted battle, complete with angry denials, character assassinations, charges that the government was trying to make him rent to "welfare recipients" and a $100 million counter-suit accusing the Justice Dept. of defamation. When it was all over Donald Trump was forced to sign a consent decree, which he failed to live up to and was hauled back into court five years later. His counter-suit was, of course, dismissed. The NAACP had been investigating Trump for longer than that as they would have a white couple interview for an apartment that Trump's rental manager had told a qualified black couple was no longer for rent. When the white couple were allowed to rent the no longer available property, the NAACP would confront the manager and were often the recipients of racial slurs, such as "N... lover" and "a disgrace to your own race." Just in case this didn't occur to you, the NAACP had white members who were the butt of the slurs.
You just keep giving more reason to hate Clinton for her ties to Trump and all the donations he made to her and Bills campaigns and orgs.
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If you think that accepting a donation or donations from Trump to the charitable foundation will somehow make someone who is already voting for Clinton stop and either vote for Trump, or stay at home, you are dreaming. By the way, it is common courtesy here to click on the edit window in the bottom right side of your last post, than to post a new one every time you have one of these new thought gems you call a post. You have been double and even triple posting here, AaronT.
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