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Old 09-15-2016, 08:14 AM #1633
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FYI it was Hitlars brown shirts that got violent at rallies, called any opponents racists and bigots.

Same thing we see happening now with BLM and Hillary supporters.


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Of course the Communist Party and the KKK and various leaders have endorsed Hillary.

Just look at her supporters, tells you everything.
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Clinton once said, "I am very proud that I was a Goldwater Girl." The Goldwater Girls were against the F*#@$*# July 12, 1964 Civil Rights Act! So unless you're practically brain dead you should NOT vote for Clinton
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So, are there any real reasons to support Hillary outside of her being a better option than Trump? Let's say you need to sell somebody on Hillary without even mentioning how bad Trump is. How would you do that?

Trump at least has qualities that appeal to his supporters. What does Hillary have that would appeal to a progressive/liberal outside of "omg first woman president yay!" She's woefully lacking in most progressive areas and seems more like a moderate republican in a lot of ways. She's in cozy with big business and doesn't support a lot of social reforms outside of the Social Justice Warrior stuff.
It is definitely a hard thing to do without looking it up on the net. It's easy to name positions she's had (e.g. Secretary of State), but listing what she actually did? That's rough. I remember even visiting Clinton's website some time back to see what accomplishments she herself was touting, and the list was really pretty weak.

Yeah, she did some stuff... in the 1980s, and maybe as Bill's sidekick (earning some blame for shit too), but her list of actual deeds is really not very strong or at least hard to explain as important. She did some organization stuff as Secretary of State, but what I remember of her in that role is that it was a consolation prize for losing to Obama, and she was too busy trying to distance herself from any controversies to do any good. Eventually the position was handed off to Kerry, who actually wasn't afraid to do something with it.

Her site is better now, but she's also taken on some of Sanders' platform for her own (for better or worse).

All this makes me worry for her potential presidency, as presidents usually need to accomplish something within the first two years, after which time they concentrate on being reelected. If she's too distracted by trying to save face -- and handling it badly like her sickness press releases and such -- I just wonder what she'll actually do.

As for Trump, I was a bit more impressed with his positions on many of the issues impacting the US even if I didn't agree with some of them. They were fresh ideas and he was the only one drawing attention to them. Even stuff like immigration, which I'm not in total agreement with, Trump's ideas with the "Wall" and stuff are not as hair brained as people like it to make it out. Usually when the implementation is explained out, people try and counter with some excuse that it'll cause poor relations between countries -- which might be part of the intent.

Trump is also quite a bit more socialist (if he is to be believed) than mainstream Republicans, especially when comes to healthcare (virtually no talk about repealing Obamacare and impacting Trump's base), ending trade pacts for workers' benefits, expanded taxes on the rich, anti-war, etc. I'm just disappointed that Trump keeps further alienating potential voter blocks with his more recent stunts and statements. He's got enough ideas and "outsider" appeal to draw off people curious enough to stray from the center, but some of his antics are unnecessarily scaring people off.

Oh well, I'm ambivalent of this whole election cycle. I don't think I'll be disappointed or happy with whomever wins, although I do kinda want to see what a Trump presidency might end up as.
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FYI it was Hitlars brown shirts that got violent at rallies, called any opponents racists and bigots.

Same thing we see happening now with BLM and Hillary supporters.
You don't even know history. It was the brown shirts in Germany that were bigots and violent against the minorities, the disabled, and especially the Jews. You don't see any of that with Clinton supporters. There have been instances where people who are anti-Trump have been assaulted by his supporters and visa versa, but they are against Trump, not for Clinton.

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Of course the Communist Party and the KKK and various leaders have endorsed Hillary.

Just look at her supporters, tells you everything.
Wrong again. It is Trump who has the support of the KKK. David Dukes has come out in support of Trump and Trump won't say anything bad about Dukes. The Alt Right have come out in support of Trump too. Just in case you don't know who these people are either, Dukes is/was a grand dragon of the KKK and the Alt Right are the new neo-Nazi white supremacist group who are excited about Trump's "Wall" and his statements against minorities, especially when he is stumbling to try to seem less racist.

Clinton doesn't have the support of the communists, Stein has that, unless you fall back on the old Republican name calling of progressives as communists. So, at least go online and get your facts straight before posting nonsense.
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Yes, she said that. It was 1964 and she was a student at the time. I'd hate to have people quote everything I said as a student back in the early 1970s. If you have to go all the way back there to find something she said that should, in your mind, enrage progressives, you are making an enormous stretch.
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You don't even know history. It was the brown shirts in Germany that were bigots and violent against the minorities, the disabled, and especially the Jews. You don't see any of that with Clinton supporters. There have been instances where people who are anti-Trump have been assaulted by his supporters and visa versa, but they are against Trump, not for Clinton.



Wrong again. It is Trump who has the support of the KKK. David Dukes has come out in support of Trump and Trump won't say anything bad about Dukes. The Alt Right have come out in support of Trump too. Just in case you don't know who these people are either, Dukes is/was a grand dragon of the KKK and the Alt Right are the new neo-Nazi white supremacist group who are excited about Trump's "Wall" and his statements against minorities, especially when he is stumbling to try to seem less racist.

Clinton doesn't have the support of the communists, Stein has that, unless you fall back on the old Republican name calling of progressives as communists. So, at least go online and get your facts straight before posting nonsense.
Lie lie lie just like Hillary.

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Even Snopes is admitting Hillary KKK connections, admiration and makeout session. Hillary Clinton Kissed by Former Klan Member : snopes.com
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Hillarys campaign is a 3 year old running around hitting and biting people than running to Momma and screaming that those people did it to her.
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Yes, she said that. It was 1964 and she was a student at the time. I'd hate to have people quote everything I said as a student back in the early 1970s. If you have to go all the way back there to find something she said that should, in your mind, enrage progressives, you are making an enormous stretch.
Good, than NONE of Trumps past should concern you AT ALL.

Medical, Taxes, Business all stuff from his past.

Any hindsite shows lack of a progressive thought process.
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My god, do you even read these sources before you put them up as proof of anything? The KKK source is from a true KKK member who has been supporting trump all this time for his racist views. He said so in the link you just posted. He has just come out with a statement that he is now going to support Clinton, but he won't say why, just that he believes she has a hidden agenda. It's an obvious ploy to try to link his own bad press to Trump's opponent.

The communist link is from a Libertarian source and is trying to discredit Clinton in favor of their candidate. You really do need to read these before you post them.

I guess you are now going to follow RCB in calling me names now. Nothing I said was a lie. If I ever got anything wrong, I don't believe i have, it would be from a mistaken belief, but I vet all my sources thoroughly before I post them. You, on the other hand, don't. But, I don't call you a liar. You are a bit sloppy, but not a liar.

The Hillary supporters that attack Trump supporters is, first of all, from a right wing website, and only the title says that. The rest is some foul mouthed Trump supporter in a wheelchair complaining that some Mexicans assaulted him. The rest of the source says that anti-Trump people attacked the Trump supporters.

The last one is the worst of all. It is an old photo of Hillary Clinton embracing Robert Bird, a long time Democratic US Senator back in the 1970s and has been used many times by Trump supporters to try to show her as having ties to the KKK.

All you have succeeded in doing is to prove the Trump support by the KKK. That's all. You really do need to vet your sources before you post them.
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My god, do you even read these sources before you put them up as proof of anything? The KKK source is from a true KKK member who has been supporting trump all this time for his racist views. He said so in the link you just posted. He has just come out with a statement that he is now going to support Clinton, but he won't say why, just that he believes she has a hidden agenda. It's an obvious ploy to try to link his own bad press to Trump's opponent.

The communist link is from a Libertarian source and is trying to discredit Clinton in favor of their candidate. You really do need to read these before you post them.

I guess you are now going to follow RCB in calling me names now. Nothing I said was a lie. If I ever got anything wrong, I don't believe i have, it would be from a mistaken belief, but I vet all my sources thoroughly before I post them. You, on the other hand, don't. But, I don't call you a liar. You are a bit sloppy, but not a liar.
What about this? Hillary Clinton Kissed by Former Klan Member : snopes.com

She obviously is very close to this guy. Hillary Clinton Kissed by Former Klan Member : snopes.com

You know snopes is the god of progressive fact conformation.

Despite mounting criticism for Donald Trumpís failure to disavow former Ku Klux Klan grand wizard David Dukeís support, Democratic front-runner Hillary Clinton once heaped praise for late Klan leader Sen. Robert Byrd.

In a video uploaded to the State Departmentís official YouTube page on June 28, 2010, Clinton commemorated late Sen. Byrd by saying, ďToday our country has lost a true American original, my friend and mentor Robert C. Byrd.

This photograph and video are undeniably genuine: The photograph was taken in July 2004, and the video of Clinton was filmed on 28 June 2010, shortly after Byrd's death.

It's also true that Robert Byrd was a member of the Ku Klux Klan in the 1940s and helped establish the hate group's chapter in Sophia, West Virginia. However, in 1952 Byrd avowed that "After about a year, I became disinterested [in the KKK], quit paying my dues, and dropped my membership in the organization," and throughout his long political career (he served for 57 years in the United States Congress) he repeatedly apologized for his involvement with the KKK:

"I know now I was wrong. Intolerance had no place in America. I apologized a thousand times ... and I don't mind apologizing over and over again. I can't erase what happened."

In 2010, even the NAACP released a statement honoring Senator Byrd and mourning his passing:

The NAACP is saddened by the passing of United States Senator Robert Byrd. Byrd, the longest serving member of congress was first elected to the U.S. House from [West Virginia] in 1952 and was elected Senator in 1958. Byrd passed away this morning at the age of 92.

"Senator Byrd reflects the transformative power of this nation," stated NAACP President and CEO Benjamin Todd Jealous. "Senator Byrd went from being an active member of the KKK to a being a stalwart supporter of the Civil Rights Act, the Voting Rights Act and many other pieces of seminal legislation that advanced the civil rights and liberties of our country.

"Senator Byrd came to consistently support the NAACP civil rights agenda, doing well on the NAACP Annual Civil Rights Report Card. He stood with us on many issues of crucial importance to our members from the reauthorization of the Voting Rights Act, the historic health care legislation of 2010 and his support for the Hate Crimes Prevention legislation," stated Hilary O. Shelton, Director of the NAACP Washington Bureau and Senior Vice President for Advocacy and Policy. "Senator Byrd was a master of the Senate Rules, and helped strategize passage of legislation that helped millions of Americans. He will be sorely missed."

Although this image was used to criticize the media for ignoring Hillary Clinton's connection to former KKK member Robert Byrd while simultaneously playing up Donald Trump's comments regarding former Klan member David Duke, several factors made the latter much more newsworthy in early 2016

First of all, Trump declined to condemn Duke and the Ku Klux Klan in February 2016, making the story current and newsworthy, whilephotograph of Hillary Clinton was taken more than a decade ago. The lack of current coverage isn't because the print media are ignoring the association, but because the photograph is a several-year-old story.

Second, while David Duke is no longer a member of the Ku Klux Klan, he is still an active member of another white supremacist organization, NAAWP: the National Association for the Advancement of White People. Duke, a prominent Holocaust denier (although he describes himself as a "Holocaust exposer"), also has a more-than-passing interest in politics: the former member of the Louisiana House of Representatives has run for the U.S. Senate, governor of Louisiana, and President of the United States. Duke has spent his life founding and supporting various white nationalist and white supremacist groups, while Byrd, by contrast, spent the majority of his life publicly disavowing and repeatedly apologizing for hisearly KKK affiliation.

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ORIGINALLY PUBLISHED: 02 March 2016
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Good, than NONE of Trumps past should concern you AT ALL.

Medical, Taxes, Business all stuff from his past.

Any hindsite shows lack of a progressive thought process.
Where have you been? I have posted tons of stuff from Trump's past that should enrage everyone. Did you graduate from HS? Come on, you say. No one will, think less of you. It will explain a lot, though.
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Taking a sober look at the 2016 election

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Where have you been? I have posted tons of stuff from Trump's past that should enrage everyone. Did you graduate from HS? Come on, you say. No one will, think less of you. It will explain a lot, though.
You are a hypocrite.


What makes it ok to bring up Trumps past and not Hillarys?

Who are you to decide how old information is before it becomes irrelevant?
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Also what do you think about the Snopes article?

Hillary Clinton Kissed by Former Klan Member : snopes.com
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