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InfinitusEquitas said:

You really need to grow up. Clearly your apology is nothing but the attempt of a child to curry favor. Apology not accepted.

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I don't see any neg rep?

IE, try to not deviate from the apology thread. For this argument to stop, I am waiting for Cyp's reply because after Cyp wanted to apologise but not now isnt good.

Visible and Cyp wants the drama to stop so sort it out please on this thread so the drama can stop and this civil war thing to stop.

Dreadnought said:

IE, try to not deviate from the apology thread. For this argument to stop, I am waiting for Cyp's reply because after Cyp wanted to apologise but not now isnt good.

Visible and Cyp wants the drama to stop so sort it out please on this thread so the drama can stop and this civil war thing to stop.

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I agree. In my defense though I return negative reps when I get them. Complaining about it in open forum is not advisable and it ruins the atmosphere. We all have to learn to forgive and forget as well as get a long and have a good time.
For instance, I like Infinitas' comic strip posts. Ok now your turn to say something you like.

VisibleGreen said:

Ok now your turn to say something you like.

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I like not getting a ton of reported post notifications

I just wonder what would happen if the rep system was turned off and hidden for a few months... would the forum degenerate, stay the same or be better? I've done some googling on the pros and cons of rep systems and found they are a mixed bag to forums, in other words, they can be positive as well as negative... well I guess that goes without saying.

Dreadnought said:

IE, try to not deviate from the apology thread.

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Ok, let's look at the original post, shall we?

VisibleGreen said:

Hi everyone. I want to apologize for my behavior recently. If Cyparagon is really willing to change his ways then it was wrong for me to reject that.
Here's to a brighter future :beer:

Group hug! :gh:

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Note the underlined, highlighted bold part. See it? Good.

Had this immature member wanted to apologize strictly to Cyp, and meant it, he would have done so privately.

Instead like a 15 year old after a tantrum he makes a public spectacle of his apology.

Not only that, but he continues to do the very things he started this drama over to begin with. Remember how it started? With him claiming abuse of the rep system.

So, in my previous post on this thread I presented evidence of this behavior, and told him in no uncertain terms, that a hollow apology will not be accepted.

Like a child not getting his way, he persists, so far neg repping me three times in retaliation.

So... what was the topic again. Oh yeah. VG's hollow apology. Not worth the pixels it's shown on.

I am abusing the rep system in someones eyes, I am sure, every day, when I use up my allotted reps just to use them up. I don't know the benefits of the system, but it must be there for a reason or we wouldn't have it. I have fun giving plus reps every day, enjoy doing it because I have a bone to pick when the system is abused, so I just rep everyone up to try to make up for it. Of course, there are some members who have soft skills which don't ever draw a negative rep the whole time in this community, I haven't been one of them so I cry positive reps now

Alaskan said:

I am abusing the rep system in someones eyes

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Probably true for me too. I can't seem to use the system nearly as much as I'd like...

IDK, any attempt at an apology is a starting point, and, better than not HAVING a starting point.

We are ALL here due to COMMON interests, and, are SURE to have some uncommon ones/differing viewpoints too.

If someone neg reps me, my first thought is, why? Did I cross a line? Is it just their way of saying they disagree? Etc.

If I see I was out of line, I'm inclined to simply be more considerate...as I do care about y'all.

If I see its simply a way to say they disagree, I do NOT neg rep THEM, because, to me, that's being as petty as they were being.

I believe we should and MUST be "allowed" to disagree with each other...but it should be limited to the substance of the topic, and not personal....as its a FORUM, where differing view points are able to BE discussed.

I really thought reps were supposed to relate to trust worthiness as a seller, etc...and not a measure of political/ideological popularity.

I did see, later, that they WERE used to essentially say "I liked your pic" or "I believe in god, and you say he doesn't exist, so I am neg repping you".

I reserve neg reps therefore for those who are not addressing points, but merely making attacks/being rude, etc....in an nonconstructive fashion. If constructive, I let that pass too...w/o neg reps either.



Sooooo, if VG and Cy want to kiss and make up, even if they wipe their mouths after, etc...its a start, and, there's hope that all of us can simply be a bit more tolerant of someone DISAGREEING with us.

*sigh* guys please stop mention about the past... and IE please stop derailing this thread...VG is ceasing fire and so should you... IE please understand that Everyone on the forum is trying to settle this issue and move on...A 'kid' going out of his way apologizing for his action and behavior is a sign that he is maturing...And would you or anyone gains by living in the event of yesterday? (no, nothing but anger and anger lead to hatred and bloodshed.......

FUBeaches said:

*sigh* guys please stop mention about the past... and IE please stop derailing this thread...VG is ceasing fire and so should you... IE please understand that Everyone on the forum is trying to settle this issue and move on...A 'kid' going out of his way apologizing for his action and behavior is a sign that he is maturing...And would you or anyone gains by living in the event of yesterday? (no, nothing but anger and anger lead to hatred and bloodshed.......

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See, there is just one piece you're missing.

This kid made the "apology" then, AFTER THAT, proceeded to neg rep me twice more.

How about I slap your friend, apologize to the group, then slap you twice more. How would you react?

Me? I haven't even neg repped him back. I will however keep pointing out that it's stupid to forgive or forget, when the offending behavior persists.

Infinitas gave me a neg rep so I thought it was fair to return it but he had a mod remove it so I decided to redo it and for his continued bickering I feel it's well deserved. I'm all about fairness you know? Anyways thanks for the support guys but I think I'll refrain from the kissing part lol

Oh and FYI this is the fourth time I had to leave it. I don't know who the mod is that keeps removing it but I have my suspicions

Aw, don't worry about it, you are doing very good with reps lately, going from 90 something to over 130 in a very short time. I've given you reps just to put back negs others gave you, I think you are still ahead of the game. I've been asked not to +rep you by a couple of members because they thought it would just make you get more up in arms with other members, and because I didn't they stopped plus rep'ing me.

All of this bickering costs all of us, but who am I to complain? I'm guilty of it myself, did the bad deed, negged two people this last month when I've been saying for a year I wouldn't do that again because I didn't believe in the rep system. Big picture reality is these reps are really worthless, right? Negs, pluses, nothing but someone being either happy or unhappy with us, or no reps at all for those who don't care... People are always happy, unhappy or apathetic, that won't change. Here's the center of the nut for me on the rep system, when a member can take away huge amounts of reps in one swipe, then tag teaming to try to remove all the reps they can from someone who has miffed them off, that's the behavior I don't like. If a negative rep were to only take away as much from any member as they can give themselves, then I wouldn't object to it.

This is the world though, where I work people are neg'ing and plus'ing between one another on a regular basis, except it's being kept under cover, to a point... but still spreading like a cancer when they are negative remarks about one another. I vote for a plus system, remove the negs... but am I naive in thinking that? Does this system perform a function to make the forum a better place? I'm still researching what I can find online in regard to forum rep systems, so far I'm seeing a mix of good and bad, but as I said before, that's exactly what a rep system dishes out, so no surprise there.

Sometimes I think a rep NATO might be the thing to have, but a positive one, never one to go on the attack, only defend. If you belonged to it and another member negged you for something stupid they would come to the rescue and each of them voting a rep back as a multiplier of what was taken away.... I imagine to belong to such a group, you better be a good community member, I don't think such a group would support jack asses as that is what they would be there to defend against, long term members with high reps being a jack or not, that and never disclosing you belong to such a group or who the members are, think about it. Does this group already exist?

May the force be with you.

Alaskan said:

Aw, don't worry about it, you are doing very good with reps lately, going from 90 something to over 130 in a very short time. I've given you reps just to put back negs others gave you, I think you are still ahead of the game. I've been asked not to +rep you by a couple of members because they thought it would just make you get more up in arms with other members and because I didn't they stopped plus rep'ing me for it, I suspect.

All of this bickering costs all of us, I'm guilty of it myself, did the bad deed, negged two people this last month when I've been saying for a year I wouldn't do that again because I didn't believe in the rep system. Big picture reality is these reps are really worthless, right? Negs, pluses, nothing but someone being either happy or unhappy with us, or no reps at all for those who don't care...

This is the world though, where I work people are neg'ing and plus'ing between one another on a regular basis, except its being kept under cover, to a point... but still spreading like a cancer when they are negative remarks about one another. I vote for a plus system, remove the negs... but am I naive in thinking that? Does this system perform a function to make the forum a better place? I'm still researching what I can find online in regard to forum rep systems, so far I'm seeing a mix of good and bad, but as I said before, that's exactly what a rep system dishes out, so no surprise there.

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Yeah you're right. It's why I made this thread because this hatred should discontinue. You and I are only but single individuals so we can't expect to change the entire system. If there was a poll I would vote for the removal of the rep system entirely as well.

I'm for everyone not getting negs, you, the next guy and myself If there are benefits to having a rep system, here's how I would do it, have a neg vote AND a positive vote number displayed together like:

Positive reps: 101
Negative reps: 20

That way no one can take other members reps away from you, I mean what the hell is that? Another member can willy nilly for some stupid reason minus the points I give to someone else? That's how it is now. I'd also make one vote one point, not the ability to rip a hand full of points away each time just because they have been here longer and perhaps manipulated the system to get their points up.

Alaskan said:

I'm for everyone not getting negs, you, the next guy and myself If there are benefits to having a rep system, here's how I would do it, have a neg vote AND a positive vote number displayed together like:

Positive reps: 101
Negative reps: 20

That way no one can take other members reps away from you, I mean what the hell is that? Another member can willy nilly for some stupid reason minus the points I give to someone else? That's how it is now. I'd also make one vote one point, not the ability to rip a hand full of points away each time just because they have been here longer and perhaps manipulated the system to get their points up.

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Maybe we should bug coldshadow about it. I totally agree with that ... in fact that's a really good idea. Only problem I can see is of the forum software itself. It may not be possible to do that with the current rep system. I'm not educated on the matter so I can't really say for sure what or cannot be done.