Leonard Susskind on The World As Hologram

ARG said:

Ah, yes. That is true. They must have all been +reps then.



I knew there would one day be a reason for having this bookmarked in my gif folder.

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ARG, stop derailing this conpletely logical thread, its really informative!
*pulls head out of ass*

Oh, sorry about that, carry on!

InfinitusEquitas said:

Reality is subjective, if you're told you're nothing more than the figment of someone's imagination, would that really alter in any way the way in which you view yourself, or the world? Briefly maybe, but not in the long term.

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Good point.
And I know there is a movie about something like that, just forgot the name.

Matrix, Inception? Lots and lots of movies and books that use it as a plot mechanism.

I don't necessarily think the question of free will comes into play one way or the other, I think, therefore I am.

InfinitusEquitas said:

Matrix, Inception? Lots and lots of movies and books that use it as a plot mechanism.

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Yea that's it. Matrix. I have not actually seen the movie but I know some of the story plot.

The universe being holographic in nature, if it is, does not mean it isn't a natural phenomenon. If some take my interest in it suggests we live in an artificial reality, that was never my intention. How ever, if you like scifi, The Thirteenth Floor is a awesome movie on that basis of imagination. I think I have the title correct. It Was produced some years ago.

I remember that movie, not well, and iirc it didn't impress me too much. Probably at least partially due to over the top in terms of crappiness special effects.

IIRC in exploring a virtual world, guy discovers that his own world is also computer generated. Something along those lines.

Laser Project said:

The universe being holographic in nature

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Computer, end program.

Damn!

Holographic Universe is NOT real science. It it theoretical physics. Theoretical, an idea (even if based upon flakey math), unproven, not real, not really there, kinda like a Hologra..... ....... ..... Oops...

The science community is certainly working hard on this theory. I don't think the holographic theory has been disproven yet, don't know that it will be, if it is cool, then we know more. I have no dog in the fight like some professors but I find it extremely interesting and wanted to share it. However, in that sharing it appears the very name brings far out sci-fi ideas to mind for many such as the universe not being real, or that we live in some kind of artificial reality. Nothing in the holographic universe theory suggests anything like that.

If anyone wants to read more here's another link on the subject:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/12/11/universe-hologram-physicists_n_4428359.html

Laser Project said:

Amazing to me, first I start a thread and get negged because I wouldn't debate, was told I better at least discuss it if I post a link, then when I do discuss it I'm told to stop posting on the subject. I have no sock puppets and am bored with trying to show the science behind the hologram theory by giving references and other links. It should be obvious this is real science, not woo woo.

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This is really my problem with your posts: not so much the content, but the fact that you're essentially just posting some links, and telling people to read them because you find them interesting.

That just isn't good enough. It's like having a article or paper where the entire article comprises just reference links. That isn't an "article" anymore than your post is an attempt at a serious discussion -- regardless of the content.

Also, when countering someone's argument, don't just post some link with "oh, well, this article says it is so" without actually pointing to a quote or fact taken from the reference. References are there to back up your argument and statements. They are not arguments and statements in and of themselves.

So please, do us all a favor: if you really do believe some of these claims, post some coherent -- detailed -- posts and responses. Some of these stuff can be interesting, but when presented as just a link, it shows that you're not really that invested in the information yourself, so why expect any more from someone else?

Linkssssss

The universe probably isn't a giant hologram after all

We May Not Live in a Hologram After All : Discovery News

Why Our Universe is Not a Hologram

That guy who started this thread should be ashamed of himself, such trivial unsubstantiated bull.

Laser Project said:

That guy who started this thread should be ashamed of himself, such trivial unsubstantiated bull.

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Not sure if sarcasm or stupid.

Both, obvious to me.

(psst: I'm Alaskan)

And to prove it further, here's another link about the subject: http://www.smithsonianmag.com/scien...s-some-mind-bending-answers-180952699/?no-ist

I cannot debate this, I don't know the answer or rather, believe it now, but before people pounded it into my little head in this very forum that I might be wrong, I once did believe it enough to call it fact which for some strange inexplicable reason gave me a sense of solace, in my deep ignorance at the time. Still, I find the whole concept possible but this isn't very hard for a stupid Alaskan, right?

I still hope it is true.... I love the idea. Ignorance must be bliss, I am less blissful now.

123splat said:

Holographic Universe is NOT real science. It it theoretical physics. Theoretical, an idea (even if based upon flakey math), unproven, not real, not really there, kinda like a Hologra..... ....... ..... Oops...

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I see the word "theory" misused a lot.

A theory is something that is essentially, or observationally, true. It may not be "the truth" but it explains all previous observations and makes predictions about future observations which can be tested. For example, plate tectonics, evolution, and the standard model are all theories because they are observationally true to the best of our ability to test, and they make testable predictions about things that have not yet been observed.

A hypothesis is an idea which may or may not be true. It is what people mean when they say "I have a 'theory' as to what is going on." No, they don't. They have a hypothesis that they can test if they want. Based on that test they can decide whether more testing is needed, or they can conclude whether the hypothesis was wrong.

This "holographic universe" idea is not a theory. It isn't even a hypothesis. "Holographic universe" is not wrong, because it's not even wrong – nothing about it can be meaningfully tested, and in fact it makes few to no predictions at all.