ISIS the terror machine

Okay if I were in charge of this country (dictator), I would nuke the entire middle east, bad and good, and get rid of all terror. Maybe I wouldn't actually, but I'd nuke ISIS outposts. I'd not send soldiers in. The problem is they don't care if they die, in fact they want to die because it has something to do with their crap-religion. Idgaf who dies over their as long as they're not our soldiers, our allies, or our citizens or government officials. BLOW ISIS UP! Show no mercy. Destroy Mohammad mad religion and set peace to the land. Fly planes over and drop pigs blood on them. I hear that they are afraid of that because they can't go to their crap after life if they touch it. Capture some of they're soldiers. Bathe them in pigs blood. Let them rot with pigs carcasses. Hang them by their feet with syrup painted on them naked with thousands of bees around. Cut their ears off. Burn out their eyes with lasers. But most of all they must be blown up, and everyone must pray for our president, no matter how much you hate him or like him, or what religion you are, or if you believe in no god at all, pray that Obama will have good judgement about what to do with ISIS. We need to not be afraid of ISIS. That is their wish. They want us to live in fear. They threaten to blow up malls. Shop in malls more than ever. Don't show your fear. In fact, don't have any fear. It is what they want. What needs to happen is they need to be Nuked with neutron bombs to just kill the people. ISIS is so bad, they deserve to feel the effects of Polonium 210 in their body for eternity. Don't get me going. I could rant for hours. Anyways, ISIS are just people who need Jesus.

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Hemlock_Mike said:

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<-------- Ya what he said

Since this set of beliefs including their book of laws now spans the globe,
the use of nukes would likely prove to be bad news to civilization :-(
HMike

Lets get away from this and back on "real" religion.

What we have been discussing here is gang mentality:
1. Welcome to the gang - We are powerful
2. Anyone not in the gang can be butchered.
3. Quit or dis the gang and we kill you.

Hemlock_mike. agree. Gang mentality
If we're on this line of reason let's think about this rationally.

If only it were like call of duty MW3 where you could send in a tactical nuke and wipe out every enemy in the 12 person match. Except here's the problem..using the tactical nuke kills everyone in YOUR clan also.
My point here is ISIS isn't confined to a small "outpost" in a lonely desert; they are hiding in large cities populated with innocent civilians. They will use them as shield like Hamas did with the conflict with Israel. A M.O.A.B is not the best option.
Further ramifications include damage to infrastructure. If the U.S. drops that bomb, the U.S. will be doing the rebuilding. In addition to that the location(s) would be uninhabitable for along time. $$$$$

I believe nuclear weapons have a place in the United states arsenal, just now isn't the time to use such a thing. IF you believe in Jesus than you can rest well knowing that they will not die a martyr, but burn for eternity for the decisions they have made.

while anyone harming innocents should be stopped, we must not cause injury to the innocents ourselves. that's exactly what they want, to galvanize the innocent harmed by us against us. we must not become like the evil we fight or the entire excercise is pointless

as far as nukes go, even if we could ensure there are no innocent people, the environment is innocent and some ecological devestation would ensue, and easily effect people we never intended it to, including ourselves and our allies. just one non-believer's thoughts.

religious motivated violence and retaliation will only perpetuate until one side is wiped out. then the remaining side will eventually split, as religions always do, until eventually the same situation will occur again. those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

can anger over their treatment of human beings really spur some to be willing to do more or less the same? I already know the answer unfortunately

USAbro said:

Okay if I were in charge of this country (dictator), I would nuke the entire middle east, bad and good, and get rid of all terror. Maybe I wouldn't actually, but I'd nuke ISIS outposts. I'd not send soldiers in. The problem is they don't care if they die, in fact they want to die because it has something to do with their crap-religion. Idgaf who dies over their as long as they're not our soldiers, our allies, or our citizens or government officials. BLOW ISIS UP! Show no mercy. Destroy Mohammad mad religion and set peace to the land. Fly planes over and drop pigs blood on them. I hear that they are afraid of that because they can't go to their crap after life if they touch it. Capture some of they're soldiers. Bathe them in pigs blood. Let them rot with pigs carcasses. Hang them by their feet with syrup painted on them naked with thousands of bees around. Cut their ears off. Burn out their eyes with lasers. But most of all they must be blown up, and everyone must pray for our president, no matter how much you hate him or like him, or what religion you are, or if you believe in no god at all, pray that Obama will have good judgement about what to do with ISIS. We need to not be afraid of ISIS. That is their wish. They want us to live in fear. They threaten to blow up malls. Shop in malls more than ever. Don't show your fear. In fact, don't have any fear. It is what they want. What needs to happen is they need to be Nuked with neutron bombs to just kill the people. ISIS is so bad, they deserve to feel the effects of Polonium 210 in their body for eternity. Don't get me going. I could rant for hours. Anyways, ISIS are just people who need Jesus.

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It sounds like if you had been raised in a radically fundamentalist Islamic environment, where you were taught that Islam was under attack, and you had to defend it, YOU would be their perfect recruit.

The posts mentioning their gang mentality I think are spot on. I'll add that gangs are a criminal business, and, so is ISIS.


It would be akin to the criminals or gang members in a large city.

If the LOCAL police department was undermanned/equipped to handle the larger numbers of gang members, and a the feds were to come it...

...the problem becomes one of specificity.


For example, gangs are rampant in Trenton. The gang members live among the rest of the (Innocent) population...as a small percentage, but of a very large number.

The Trenton Police, if they were to say, NUKE TRENTON, would probably get all the gang members...as well as a goodly number of innocent woman and children and non-gang bangers.

As also mentioned, the gangs are NOT in JUST one city....they are in EVERY CITY...and also in the suburbs.

So, do they nuke the entire USA to kill the gang bangers?

If they Nuke even ONE city, its ON....revenge becomes a burning, and now justified, cause.


If you were to wipe out a million innocent people to kill the 100k people you wanted dead, the millions of people aligned with the 1 million you killed now want you dead...and, they are your neighbors.

Think "Helter Skelter"...I think its where ISIS is going. THEY are inflaming their opponents, and, being as brazen as possible to fan those flames.

They WANT an "Attack on Islam". THAT WOULD rally their supporters and gain massive recruitment.


It SHOULD be, IMHO, a massive police-type crack down...with military strikes where they are massed, such as their training camps etc....and house to house raids to grab the individual members if they are in the population. You go after the crack factories, the distribution networks, etc, and shut down their cash flow.

That's SO much easier said than done, BECAUSE, you need the address they are at, that night.


The general populace would need to TELL us where they are....and they'd BE risking THEIR lives to do it.

The Muslim community would need to rise up and take their religion back....and say "THAT'S not ISLAM!"


IF that doesn't happen, we are stuck with strikes on massed forces, and driving them down from their present position of power and open aggression, to the now familiar underground terrorist networks and rabbit holes, etc.

IE: They blend back into the population, where you can't easily cull them from the herd.


If we then do the routine where we bring in the drones/strikes in populated areas, THEY fake collateral damage on every strike, dumping hospital beds of kids at the strike scenes, wailing woman, actors in bloody bandages carrying "Death to America" signs, etc.

They have it down pat.

Driving them underground's PRIMARY benefit, is it robs ISIS of the impression that they are winning...and can do as they please with impunity.

That reduces their recruitment pool and ***iness as a cause. It does NOT solve the problem though. The PROBLEM is, as always in that sand box, religious interpretations that are used to manipulate the populace.

An opiated mass, historically, is very dangerous.

It takes money to buy the "opium" though, and, just as shutting down a gang's cash flow strangles them...shutting down the backers of ISIS, and, the businesses, such as oil production, drug dealing, etc, will cash starve them.


Its easier to stop money than people typically. The recent cases where those who were sending money to terrorist causes, are now being prosecuted AS terrorists (Aiding and abetting, etc) - which means some "respectable businessmen" can now go to JAIL for supporting the terrorists.

If wealthy patrons suddenly have to worry about putting their lives on the line, and can't just smugly write enormous checks from great distances, they might think twice about sending that check IE: Its not just a check, its a potential jail term.


Slash the cash jugular.

Sorry guys I shouldn't have said that. It mostly was a joke, as you can see what I said in the last line. It was a sarcastic expression of how much something needs to happen. However, you get the point. Something serious needs to be done fast and soon before anymore people get beheaded.

USAbro

Shakenawake said:

while anyone harming innocents should be stopped, we must not cause injury to the innocents ourselves. that's exactly what they want, to galvanize the innocent harmed by us against us. we must not become like the evil we fight or the entire excercise is pointless

as far as nukes go, even if we could ensure there are no innocent people, the environment is innocent and some ecological devestation would ensue, and easily effect people we never intended it to, including ourselves and our allies. just one non-believer's thoughts.

religious motivated violence and retaliation will only perpetuate until one side is wiped out. then the remaining side will eventually split, as religions always do, until eventually the same situation will occur again. those who do not learn from history are doomed to repeat it.

can anger over their treatment of human beings really spur some to be willing to do more or less the same? I already know the answer unfortunately

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Intentional double post.

I must say that a if you, Shakenawake, do not know, from what I've heard is that a neutron bomb does no damage to the environment, at least not much because the shock wave is very small with high radiation.

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Intentional double post.

I must say that a if you, Shakenawake, do not know, from what I've heard is that a neutron bomb does no damage to the environment, at least not much because the shock wave is very small with high radiation.

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here, you can find out for yourself, they are extremely lethal. life is part of the environment:

Neutron bomb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

I dont dispute that they (ISIS) are evil and need to be stopped. If I were killing them, I would do my best not to do it out of revenge or bloodlust. I think it's best to look at it like putting down a rabid dog, focus on protecting others from their danger, as this is more important than revenge. i have immense respect for any who risk their lives to protect others, there are few acts more noble.

Me too. I agree. They just need to be stopped, more people will die if we don't stop them quickly. If they get their hands on nukes we can all climb into our microwaves and press the on button.

ISIS is detracting from another huge problem we have in America, our corrupt government and a Muslim in the White House who hates white America, strangely enough. I don't think we can fix Washington, not until the dollar crashes and all hell breaks loose in this country when the federal government continues to overstep their authority, but I hope they will take huge leaps in such an overstep to the point we can take the power back from them and place it back in the hands of the people through individual States. I don't want a supreme federal authority anymore, I want state authority to trump them in most areas and cut our government down to 25 percent of what we have now.

Yes I think he's a Muslim too. I don't like where I live cause I live right next to Washington DC and if DC gets bombed then I'm in the area. I'd move the Frederick or even out of state if I could.

USAbro

Seems this whole planet could use a reboot these days, hope not through WWIII or an atomic attack on our capitol but sometimes I wonder if that wouldn't help in the long run. However, our weapons could destroy the planet now, not something to take lightly. This is the normal progression of empires, they grow and fall through corruption, in time, every time. One thing that keeps being shown to me with regime changes, they aren't for the better most of the time, I think we would have had a more stable world if the US never went into Iraq or Libya, next Syria or Iran? Although in the case of Iran, that might be a good thing if ISIS didn't then take over. You know what the real problem is, don't you? US, we are a warrior race. Only genetic manipulation can fix that and if we did, how would that affect our ability to survive? Maybe the question is better put, if we don't find a way to mute our warring natures, how will we survive ourselves?

Alaskan said:

Seems this whole planet could use a reboot these days, hope not through WWIII or an atomic attack on our capitol but sometimes I wonder if that wouldn't help in the long run. However, our weapons could destroy the planet now, not something to take lightly. This is the normal progression of empires, they grow and fall through corruption, in time, every time. One thing that keeps being shown to me with regime changes, they aren't for the better most of the time, I think we would have had a more stable world if the US never went into Iraq or Libya, next Syria or Iran? Although in the case of Iran, that might be a good thing if ISIS didn't then take over.

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I see the US as unstable. Under poor leadership and it's only been around 240 years. Many other empires didn't last long at all, I don't see the US lasting another 240 years.

I would not be surprised to see the end of the USA as we know it in the life times of my children, perhaps mine. When I think about it a moment more, it has already happened. This is not the country I used to believe it to be, something terribly distorted and mangled now. No longer the shining light of liberty to the world, liberty is dying in America. We have been sold out, did you know Obama promised federal lands to China if we default on our debt to them? Yes, China will own America.

Maybe if I stick my head in the sand this will all blow over.... I need happy pills! Prescribe something doctor, reality is beating at my door too hard to ignore.