I found it, Pyramidal Woo Woo Central

rhd · Mar 25, 2015

Encap said:
People are not logical beings and are more often than not driven by emotion and imagination----logic is only one tool and a small part of human experience and decision making.

Seems to me that most of the planet is involved in and with woo woo of one kind or another and basing many behaviors indeed much of everyday life's activities on same. Everyone can think of a thousand examples.

I understand the value of emotion and imagination. I'm a big fan of science fiction. I'm a big fan of imaginative thought-provoking fantasy.

The problem occurs when gurus start promoting "woo woo" ideas without the qualifier acknowledging that they are fantasy or science-fiction, and instead put forward their ideas as if they are sound/logical/rational/true. The problem occurs when they start convincing the logically-challenged among us that their unsubstantiated woo woo nonsense is fact, rather than a story that sounds kind of intriguing.

I question the intelligence of people who promote and distribute media from the gurus who commit that ^ offence. That's the distinction in my view. It takes a stupid person to distribute science fiction as if it's science fact, whereas it takes an intelligent person to reflect on science fact and dream up the next compelling concept of science fiction or fantasy, and as long as they label it as such, the latter person earns only credit it my books.

Encap · Mar 27, 2015

rhd said:
I understand the value of emotion and imagination. I'm a big fan of science fiction. I'm a big fan of imaginative thought-provoking fantasy.

The problem occurs when gurus start promoting "woo woo" ideas without the qualifier acknowledging that they are fantasy or science-fiction, and instead put forward their ideas as if they are sound/logical/rational/true. The problem occurs when they start convincing the logically-challenged among us that their unsubstantiated woo woo nonsense is fact, rather than a story that sounds kind of intriguing.

I question the intelligence of people who promote and distribute media from the gurus who commit that ^ offence. That's the distinction in my view. It takes a stupid person to distribute science fiction as if it's science fact, whereas it takes an intelligent person to reflect on science fact and dream up the next compelling concept of science fiction or fantasy, and as long as they label it as such, the latter person earns only credit it my books.

Generally speaking, I agree with your sentiments 100%.

There is a neverending sea of thousands of types of woo woo out there for sure.

Science has it's woo woo too----just different ways of looking at what we already know---the limits of understanding are the limits--not an absolute understanding --so is a type of woo woo. A tool you find useful is still just that, whether it is woo woo or not.

Because our minds deal exclusively with ideas, our minds treat in-distinctively the physical and the non-physical. In reverse our minds find it natural to project back into the real physical world the non-physical.
In short, the physical and the non physical are identical, both are ideas within the scope of our thinking. And that is a direct cause of confusion.

Example: Entropy, in physics, is based on the alleged degradation of energy, which happens to be nothing else than a transfer of temperature over distance!

Example: Why is EVERYONE convinced that time exists...when NO ONE can say what it is? Time is not connected to anything real, "time" is only a word of our language and "t" only a mathematical symbol in physics.
An article of faith that is integrated within the science of physics is the belief that time exists! Time as God is immaterial, nobody has seen it, nobody has proved its existence! Yet time appears in many of physics equations, just as God appears in the scriptures. Physicists belief in time is proof that in some specific circumstances beliefs predominate too in science.

Alaskan · Mar 27, 2015

rhd said:
This crap, has not been proven correct, and there's no reason to believe that it will be, a hundred years from now.

I wasn't comparing real woo woo by that definition with bs woo woo, just woo woo in general. If you go by that definition, of course, you are completely correct sir. Still, I think some of the unproven woo woo out there will at some point become accepted as reality, science is going through rejection and acceptance of theories all the time, every generation goes through such, many well respected ahead of their time scientists were at first attacked for daring to present something which was unaccepted by mainstream science at the time. Of course, this isn't what you are referring to and pyramidal woo woo is so far removed from that kind of thing as not to warrant any comparison. There aren't any magic pyramids, they are rock!

Cyparagon · Mar 31, 2015

Alaskan said:
most of our society would be off the chart woo woo to people who lived a hundred years ago

The difference being that modern science is testable and verifiable. Pseudoscience is not. I can prove to someone from the dark ages that we orbit a ball of hydrogen (at the risk of being burned for witchcraft). No one can do that with crystal healing.

Encap said:
everything is possible in imagination

A new color?

Alaskan said:
investigations into the paranormal have proven no amount of metal shielding works anyway.

Proven how? They can't use the scientific method, since paranormal phenomena are defined as outside science.

Alaskan said:
An academic paper written for the Air Force in the mid-1990s mentions the idea of a weapon that would use sound waves to send words into a person's head.

I call it a loudspeaker.

rhd · Mar 31, 2015

Alaskan said:
Still, I think some of the unproven woo woo out there will at some point become accepted as reality...

I agree with you 100%.

I also think that some of the scratch lottery tickets out there will win a million dollars. It's a fact that of all the millionaires in this world, at least some of them got that way because they purchased a scratch ticket even though someone told them it was a waste of money.

So, go buy a scratch ticket?

Alaskan · Apr 7, 2015

I've bought maybe six of them in my life, but I do play the free PCH lottery from time to time

Teej · Apr 7, 2015

I was reading about tests where people are rated in terms of their propensity for different types of risks, and there were several strong correlations between those who tended to over interpret patterns, IE: Assume they saw patterns in what were random arrangements, etc...and their self worth/narcissism, religious and political leanings, and what types of risks they consider acceptable.

Other studies have drawn independently overlapping conclusions about related issues, such as gambling/lottery ticket purchases, religious and political leanings, etc.

Still other studies have found correlations between certain genetic markers and certain types of behavior, including the pattern over recognition, risk taking, political and religious leanings, degree of narcissism, etc.

So, propensities to believing in religion, woo woo, and buying lottery tickets, etc, are actually related genetically.

These are soft associations, so its not like one gene makes you buy a lottery ticket, a gun, a bible and a crystal amulet, or vote Libertarian or Republican or Democratic....its a combination of many many genes, each influencing tendencies....that add up to that part of who you are.

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Alaskan · Apr 7, 2015

I started this thread as a woo't, such craziness out there, it's amazing. Personally, I only believe in real woo woo anymore (not the dictionary definintion), but there was a time I believed in fake woo woo and the world was a beautiful wootiful place to be in back then, I was woo'd over everything, seeing magic everywhere. Ignorance IS bliss, now I can't believe in magic pyramids anymore

Edit, I had to come back, I should have added what woo-woo is to me:

Lasers, especially at night shining a beam of light deep into the darkness, when I see a beam go thousands of feet, even miles, I feel fully woo'd, even woo-woo'd.

A beautiful sunset, that also woo's me

A rainbow, they always fill my heart with woo.

A child being born, I've had four, always a woo to see that, my own sense of humanity heightened when I realize we are all some ones baby, grown up or not, that fully woo-woo-woo'd me. It's not so easy to be as judgmental towards others when you realize we all have our unique plus and minuses, being able to see that in others in a less harsh manner once you have your own kids who aren't perfect, but perfectly human.

When I used to be into ham radio moon-bounce, hearing my own radio echo's come back from the moon always woo'd me, even woo-woo'd me.

Low divergence coherent light exiting a lens woo's me, I think it's awesome how far a laser beam can go without expanding very much if you use the right optics, that is so awesome to me.

Fast fuel efficient homebuilt aircraft woo me, for example, a Quickie or Dragonfly, those are very fast fuel efficient aircraft. I even put a web page together about them: Albums By Q-DF Archives - ImageEvent

There are a lot of other things that woo me, Robert Lanza's stuff on what he calls biocentrism, as a theory (I know, some will state it isn't even good enough to be wrong) woo's me, perhaps one of my last completely unsubstantiated magic woo's I shouldn't have, but I see it as a beautiful idea, if nothing else. Any one want to relieve me of my last fully assailable woo-woo so I am completely ho-hum real world minded? Plenty to attack

- Truth is, I am not married to the idea, just something I think is a wonderful thing, if true. I still have rainbows, sunsets and lasers to woo me if I loose belief in that.

VisibleGreen · Apr 7, 2015

Alaskan said:
I started this thread as a woo't, such craziness out there, it's amazing. Personally, I only believe in real woo woo anymore (not the dictionary definintion), but there was a time I believed in fake woo woo and the world was a beautiful wootiful place to be in back then, I was woo'd over everything, seeing magic everywhere. Ignorance IS bliss, now I can't believe in magic pyramids anymore

Edit, I had to come back, I should have added what woo-woo is to me:

Lasers, especially at night shining a beam of light deep into the darkness, when I see a beam go thousands of feet, even miles, I feel fully woo'd, even woo-woo'd.

A beautiful sunset, that also woo's me

A rainbow, they always fill my heart with woo.

A child being born, I've had four, always a woo to see that, my own sense of humanity heightened when I realize we are all some ones baby, grown up or not, that fully woo-woo-woo'd me. It's not so easy to be as judgmental towards others when you realize we all have our unique plus and minuses, being able to see that in others in a less harsh manner once you have your own kids who aren't perfect, but perfectly human.

When I used to be into ham radio moon-bounce, hearing my own radio echo's come back from the moon always woo'd me, even woo-woo'd me.

Low divergence coherent light exiting a lens woo's me, I think it's awesome how far a laser beam can go without expanding very much if you use the right optics, that is so awesome to me.

Fast fuel efficient homebuilt aircraft woo me, for example, a Quickie or Dragonfly, those are very fast fuel efficient aircraft. I even put a web page together about them: Albums By Q-DF Archives - ImageEvent

There are a lot of other things that woo me, Robert Lanza's stuff on what he calls biocentrism, as a theory (I know, some will state it isn't even good enough to be wrong) woo's me, perhaps one of my last completely unsubstantiated magic woo's I shouldn't have, but I see it as a beautiful idea, if nothing else. Any one want to relieve me of my last fully assailable woo-woo so I am completely ho-hum real world minded? Plenty to attack - Truth is, I am not married to the idea, just something I think is a wonderful thing, if true. I still have rainbows, sunsets and lasers to woo me if I loose belief in that.

I got one thing to say to all of that... Woo hoo!

Alaskan · Apr 7, 2015

Pyramids are magic, they can have light come out their tops, it proves science knows nothing because they keep denying it! LOL.... That's the mindset of the crazies.

VisibleGreen · Apr 8, 2015

Alaskan said:
Pyramids are magic, they can have light come out their tops, it proves science knows nothing because they keep denying it! LOL.... That's the mindset of the crazies.

I've seen both on the internet and TV tons of documentaries on theories of how the pyramids where built. A lot where a decent try while others where near perfect but one piece of crucial evidence to support it was simply not there so the whole thing was bunked. Now one of the theories indicated that the blocks were poured like concrete. Anyone heard of that one?

Alaskan · Apr 8, 2015

Yea, I saw something about that too. I don't know what to believe, but some think the Great Pyramid at Giza is much older than generally accepted. I kinda think some members actually think I secretly believe in magic pyramids, please don't.

rhd said:
I understand the value of emotion and imagination. I'm a big fan of science fiction. I'm a big fan of imaginative thought-provoking fantasy.

The problem occurs when gurus start promoting "woo woo" ideas without the qualifier acknowledging that they are fantasy or science-fiction, and instead put forward their ideas as if they are sound/logical/rational/true. The problem occurs when they start convincing the logically-challenged among us that their unsubstantiated woo woo nonsense is fact, rather than a story that sounds kind of intriguing.

I question the intelligence of people who promote and distribute media from the gurus who commit that ^ offence. That's the distinction in my view. It takes a stupid person to distribute science fiction as if it's science fact, whereas it takes an intelligent person to reflect on science fact and dream up the next compelling concept of science fiction or fantasy, and as long as they label it as such, the latter person earns only credit it my books.

I hope you don't believe anything I've posted falls in that category, do you? If you are referring to the Pyramidal Woo Woo thread you shouldn't, not if you read what I had to say about it. Maybe it's my interest in UFO's you think is unfounded fantasy, in regard to their being something more than regular aircraft misidentified?

I found it, Pyramidal Woo Woo Central

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