I dont even know what to think [Suggested 18+]

So you never know what you are going to get when browsing 4chan, but this is what I found.







I hate getting on this subject because it will literally drive me crazy. But if I ignore it, that just means I am ignorant to the facts.

Both of these videos were posted within the past 24 hours. I just made a thread yesterday about a tank being transported somewhere near me.

I am disgusted and cant say I support my country anymore. I am seriously considering moving to Switzerland, or Amsterdam within the next 5-10 years.

There are countless other videos likes this all over the place. You can find many on DocumentingReality (which I don't recommend visiting by the way).

But here is just one more video to top it off.

Police kill man for camping illegally

Unfortunately it's a very distressing, and depressing subject once you become aware of it, and start digging into it.

Can't tell you what to think. If anyone does, I'd very seriously question them. Me personally, I know I'm more afraid of cops than any other group of people.

Why? Because I'm a generally law abiding, careful guy. I don't go looking for trouble, I avoid trouble areas, and being a reasonably big guy, I'm not likely to attract a mugger.

Even if I do I'll hand over my wallet, and cell phone without question... nothing I carry is difficult to replace, my phone is locked & backed up, credit cards can be cancelled within the hour, and I very rarely have over $200 on me in cash. IMO it's nothing worth getting hurt, or hurting someone over.

Unfortunately cops are not something I can avoid. I pass by 1-4 on a daily basis, in just a 30 mile commute every day.

Also unfortunately, while they are usually just out to make their quota, (whether arrests, or tickets) it's not as easy to get away from one if he wants to be a @$$.

What we're seeing, is a very very dangerous trend that is accelerating, of for profit policing, that is being augmented by the federal government also practically handing out military hardware. We've always had a for profit judiciary. Our jails, and prisons are now for profit. Now this is trickling down to even the small police departments, and for profit policing is becoming a fact of life. Violent crime is down. Police departments are more bloated then ever. This means they have to "crack down" on administrative crimes.

Add to that them getting military hardware. As the old adage goes... if all you have is a hammer, every problem turns into a nail. As we can see in ferguson, if they have this hardware, they will use it. Doesn't matter if there is cause to use it.

There is internal affairs though, right? Unfortunately no. It's more of a joke. Most IA complaints are dismissed, if they even get that far, as the cop simply being "discourteous". Never mind that the discourtesy could mean a false arrest for you, a criminal record, a beating, and lots of money for a lawyer who you really can't afford.

There are prosecutors though right? DA's and judges who will keep the cops honest.

Good luck with that. The prosecutors are the same guys the cops work with on a regular basis. They are colleagues, friends, and sometimes even family. Forgoing that obvious bias that you have going against you, you also have to consider that from a legal standpoint, should it ever come down to your word against that of a cop, you're out of luck.

Going even further, the courts have been very consistent in expanding police powers, eroding the protections offered to you under the 1st, 4th, 5th, etc,. (As of this summer cops in Pennsylvania no longer need a search warrant to search your car for example.)

I'm getting off on a few tangents, my post is turning into a bit of a rambling rant, so I'll conclude with this. Cops, the people who are supposed to protect you, and uphold the law, have killed more people than terrorist, since 2001.

You should be afraid, you should avoid them.

If you are interacting with a cop;

-Record the encounter. Record your encounter, record that of anyone who is with you, who gets stuck talking to cops.

Do you have the right to record a police officer? The answer is unequivocally yes. Don't be a jerk about it. Keep your distance. If you're told to back up, do it, and document how far you moved back.

Make sure your phone is password protected, have the camera rolling, if you need your hands free, stick it in your pocket, it will at least get audio. (You can setup a dropbox account for free, and have your videos and photos upload as soon as you take them. DO IT. There are also apps, like FiveO to stream to drop box as it's happening. How many examples does one need to see, of police reports that contradict video evidence? How many cases of police homicide, and abuse do we never hear about because there was no camera rolling? No need to look to Rodney king... just look at the man killed in new york this summer. Had there not been a camera there, you can bet the cop would be out on the street right now.)

-Am I being detained? Am I free to go? - Be a broken record if you have to be. If you are not being detained, you are free to go. If you are free to go, you are not being detained. Get an answer, and if it's good, start walking away slowly. DO NOT RUN.

-Do you have to provide an ID? Maybe, check your state laws. Usually you do not if you are not driving.

-You do have to identify yourself. Name, Date of birth, address. That should cover you, but again check your state laws. It could be easier to to just hand over an ID though.

-Never consent to anything. SAY IT: I do not consent to any searches. I am exercising my right to remain silent, and SHUT UP.

DO NOT SAY ANYTHING. Don't talk to them. There is this horrible myth that once you're in handcuffs you have to be mirandized or it's inadmissible. That's simply not true. You will only be advised of your Miranda rights IF they choose to proceed from you being detained to you being arrested, and even then, only if they want to interview you, to find out something more. You can be held for up to 24 hours, or more, if it's over a holiday or weekend, without being charged. Don't do anything stupid while you're in custody. You're on their turf, and they have every advantage, including knowing exactly where the camera blind spots are so they can beat the shit out of you.

/Rant.

Sorry, America is too busy rioting over another dead thug and pouring buckets of water on their heads to care about the worlds largest threat.

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Quote from LiveLeak.. (referring to James Foley) , not necessarily my view .

Since the videos seem to be down, anyone want to enlighten us as to what they were ?!?

They worked for me just fine and yes the police in your country are truly frightening. We get the American show Cop's here in Australia and even though they would have edited anything out that would have been considered a breaking of the law by the Police officers it was still a frightening thing to see such heavy handed tactics for even the most menial offence. To some degree i see the way that the Police force in many countries close ranks when one of their own does something highly questionable, they seem to rally round and look for the slightest excuse to justify even murder! In some places/countries you could even say that there is not a whole lot of difference between an Organised crime gang/street gang and the police force, they are all patch/colour holders, one group has the Government to back them up is really the only difference. IS AMERICA HEADING THAT WAY?

Yes its already there.

busman2 said:

IS AMERICA HEADING THAT WAY?

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Without a doubt, yes it is.

-Violent crime is down, and has been trending down for the past 20+ years.
-Incarceration rates remain, steady, and continue to increase.
-Police staffing rates remained roughly the same.
-Police budgets have increased at higher rate then accounting simply for inflation.
-Police use of force has risen.
-Use of no knock warrants have risen exponentially the last 13 years.
-SWAT team deployments have become the norm, with nearly all police departments now having their own well funded, though questionably trained teams.

Accountability seems to be non existent, with departments being very insular, and as you noted, closing ranks. Essentially anyone who tries hits a a blue wall.

Not to mention the US now has more laws than literally can be counter, which means on any given day, every day, the average person is breaking at least a few, and can always have the legal system used to destroy them.

Well at least I'm not alone on 4chan. Thanks for that. I feel better now.

Add Australia or New Zealand to your choices. Other than the fact they drive on the wrong side of the road and talk funny, they speak English and generally like Americans. Also the exchange rate is good (no Euro craziness to worry about). But the downside is they are anti-laser.

Not sure I would do well in Australia... too many things that will kill me live there, but new zealand sounds nice. Besides, I've been meaning to pick up a new language... doesn't have to be spanish.

Btw, another little side note. There is this myth perpetuated by cop TV shows of the underfunded police department, and the poor cop. That is PURE BS. Especially for richer areas, like bergen county nj, (Elmwood Park, Fair Lawn, Maywood, etc,.) they are all making over 80k a year (many over 100k), after the first 10 years, even more with overtime, have excellent benefits, can retire with full pay after 20 years, and their departments have no trouble at all replacing the car fleet every 2-3 years.

^^ That's because you are a trouble magnet.


j/k

I've been to Australia and New Zealand. They still speak English there unless you want to add Maori (NZ) or Aborigine (AU) to your language collection.

I had an police encounter just last week and until I started video recording they we're on a roll for sure. I'll probably post a small piece of the video because it's funny to see him notice my camera when he returns from his car

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Quote from LiveLeak.. (referring to James Foley) , not necessarily my view .

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But Ped, why would america be bothered by the bombings in Gaza, or ISIS beheading a journalist, or even for that matter- the starving children in africa? Why would we care about that, when we can spend our life caring about pets (that we treat like damn kids), and get outraged when a man threatening police with a knife gets shot?

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I had an police encounter just last week and until I started video recording they we're on a roll for sure. I'll probably post a small piece of the video because it's funny to see him notice my camera when he returns from his car

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Many of the folks on YouTube and whatnot advocate always having at least one, preferably two, working cameras in your car at any one time. There is a guy on there, whose name I cannot recall, who does just this and the way the police behave when they know they are being filmed is very revealing. Police over here in the UK are generally nowhere near as brutal although as the saying goes "once a police, always a police", they'll still try and ruin your day if they think they can.

Out of all the encounters I've had with police (surprisingly a lot, and I'm not a trouble maker), only three were ever pleasant. One was because I was a victim, not a suspect, the other was because they were asking me if I'd witnessed a crime and had to speed off, and the other was when they stopped me because my car's license details didn't show up, and they were actually very pleasant through the whole process. The rest, probably approaching 6 or more instances, were very unpleasant indeed.

If you don't have a camera, you might as well fork over your rights up front.

The stuff that's going on in Ferguson right now is hopefully going to open up some eyes a bit. I'm seeing people sharing media from there that are normally very sceptic of anyone who speaks against police.

Fortunately there are already bills being introduced to curb further militarization of local police departments.

Unfortunately I don't hold out much hope that any version that would actually have an immediately, and lasting impact will pass.