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cantthinkofone

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I guess you could call this a formal apology of sorts. The thread I made jokingly referencing a contest between me and tmack caused anger from what I can tell. He even made a new account to show people he is not in it for the rep. I am not in it for the rep either and I apologize for such a pointless thread. I from this point on refuse to make pointless threads. It snowballed out of hand and I would like to personally apologize. It was a joke. I have heard that some of you are refusing to rep me and tmack. I must say that's a tad bit unfair. It was a joke and I am not seeking rep. So next time I do something helpful don't think it's for rep. As it's not. Thank you for reading
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thanks for the appology, its hard to get tone across on the internet, im sure your intent was not negative.
 
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I have heard that some of you are refusing to rep me and tmack. I must say that's a tad bit unfair.
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I only rep posts that are worthy of being repped. Positively or negatively.

Though, these days rep doesn't mean a darned thing since there are so many people that "+1 cuz lolz" or "+1 because I can't -1 this dude yet".

Just get over the rep counter thing, establish an understood reputation, not a numerical one.
 
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I am over the rep thing as i dont give much care to a number. it just is unfair to judge someone off of a misunderstanding. the "+1 cuz lolz" is a misuse of the rep system.
 
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I don't know of anyone who said that they're specifically targeting you. (assuming you're suggesting the vets..?)

What I know, is that the vets mostly follow the "We'll rep you if you deserve it" standpoint. Some with more leniency than others. You could mix that standpoint with pointless/joke posts and realize that they won't be repped.

Nobody's targeting anyone specifically. (except Jerry, hes getting pounded with -reps)
 
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yeah heard about the jerry ordeal. keep an eye out for my nearing completion builds, the Neptune, and The Evergreen. also my ROV build. could someone explain the whole jerry thing to me. it can be PMed to me i just dont completely understand it all.
 
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cantthinkofone said:
could someone explain the whole jerry thing to me. it can be PMed to me i just dont completely understand it all.
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The Jerry thing (and the underlying conflict) is a very long, four-year (or more) story. I explained it to someone in PM once; I suppose I can dig it up if you're interested.

Trevor
 
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I saw that thread as a joke, and nothing more. Don't know why others didn't :p

I don't really care if people are trying to get rep by being helpful, contributing members. Nothing wrong with that IMO, the forum can always use more contributors.
 
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Ever wrangle up and or ship out the beam shot contest prizes? I sort of forgot by now lol
 
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i have the prizes. ill ship yours asap as i was going to wait but then like have the winners just quit. if you can resend me the address ill ship it
 
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cantthinkofone said:
yes please
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Okay then... found the PM. I tried to edit it somewhat for public consumption.

Trevor said:
It all started in 2010, really. He badmouthed and harassed his competitor, Kenom, until he (for theoretically unrelated reasons) left the forum. Some pretty bad nastiness on both sides happened during that time. But... I'll fast-forward to the beginning of my open-source projects.

I was thinking about developing OpenLPM:

http://laserpointerforums.com/f44/open-source-lpm-project-base-your-thoughts-66110.html

Instead of being supportive of someone contributing to the community, Jerry reacted negatively, responding to the idea of "spurring innovation" by accusing me of only trying to "innovate a feather in my cap." He got defensive and didn't want it around... because it would compete with the datalogger circuit he had just released.

He gave up on outright killing the project, but instead settled for plugging his competing products in the thread.

http://laserpointerforums.com/f70/openlpm-free-open-source-lpm-project-71232.html#post1026281

He was treating an open-source project like competition, trying to eradicate it.

So, then comes Peregrine.

In its very early stages, he was attacking it... he was angry that I made free software that could read the data a LaserBee outputs, and even "talked to his lawyer" about it. He ultimately came back "in support" of the project, but only after his lawyer said that my open-source project was completely legal and that a lawsuit would be laughed out of the courtroom.

http://laserpointerforums.com/f70/laserbee-raw-output-now-visible-osx-environment-73308.html

Here's the kicker though - he hates the Windows version, but loves the Mac version.

So, fast forward to the actual release of Peregrine!

Here, he further attacks open-source, including making claims that Peregrine could damage LaserBees... in an effort to stop people from using the software. In this thread, he is particularly caustic.

http://laserpointerforums.com/f70/peregrine-free-open-source-lpm-interface-80589.html

It's incredible the lengths he went to to attack an open-source project. I made nothing from it... maybe $50 of donations compared to the hundreds of hours I spent building it... but he treats it like competition. All it does is give the community more options... but he still hates it.

Around the same time, I was working on Ellipsis. Ellipsis is my project where I rewrote the firmware on my LaserBee I. I intended to make that an open-source project to help developers, but it ultimately did not get released. Jerry was pretty well-behaved in that thread. It is, however, a good read if you're interested in the ins and outs of how LaserBees work.

http://laserpointerforums.com/f70/e...ent-updates-build-notes-media-more-75723.html

I did ultimately release an (open-source, obviously :p ) SDK that contains example code for people who may want to write code on their LaserBee. Jerry, of course, gets angry. He attacks my character by lying about me "shafting" people. I address that in my reply in the thread.

http://laserpointerforums.com/f70/open-source-laserbee-sdk-83631.html

Then there's just other assorted drama. After ARG and I released the Rubicon, there was a large argument about the calibrated state of Ophir sensors from ebay. ARG and I had found that some are outside the tolerance, while Jerry claimed that all of them are within the calibration tolerance.

Nastiness ensues, and he accuses us of lying to sell our LPM's. Which is interesting - because we offer LPM's with no Ophir head, make LESS money on the LPM's we bundle with an Ophir head, and stand to gain nothing by selling our stock of Ophir sensors.

http://laserpointerforums.com/f70/ophir-20c-1-y-out-stock-82574-3.html#post1218038

And more recently, he's posted a thread in which he made dubiously sourced claimed about the Rubicon in an effort to discredit it. His claims were thoroughly examined and the "issue" was reproduced. He, of course, did not reappear in the thread to offer further evidence, a rebuttal, or an apology.

http://laserpointerforums.com/f70/strange-artifacts-new-lpm-s-output-85083.html

So yeah. The long and short of it is, Jerry hates competition. He hates open-source projects... probably because they make it easier to compete in the LPM "market" - what of it there is.

Jerry hates me, because I give my stuff away - and I am not so easily run out of town.

He deserves all those red bars for his behavior in the LPF marketplace. We could have so much better stuff now - but he repeatedly ran new developers off the forum to maintain his monopoly.

He'd rather expend effort harassing competition than innovating. In his experience, it is more effective.

Anyhow, during the time in which he had no competition, the price on the "budget" 2.5W USB LPM rose from $120 all the way up to over $200. The product got no better, but because he had no competition, he decided to fleece LPF for as much money as possible. He's benefited greatly through anticompetitive behavior.

If I think of more, I'll send it your way.

Trevor
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There you have it. I'm sure if you asked Jerry, you'd get a vastly different answer.

I suppose that's the nature of history.

Trevor
 
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Good to clear things up, no apology needed imo but you did the right thing! Dont worry about people's opinion , everyone's entitled to their's so intead of apologizing it's a better thing to accept different opinion afterall it's a forum, not a courtroom , and nobody is judging you for that lpf has grown up quite a bit in the past year thats all i can say..
Just make sure to have fun and keep building and lazing as jander said.. :beer:
 
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