Heads Up.. PayPal/eBay the F%$king GREEDY PIGS.....

lasersbee said:

I've not relisted any LPMs on eBay since and plan not to
until the eBay mandated stupidity has stopped...

@RHD heruur is chris... he is still selling laser stuff he won
on an industrial auction. IIRC he was thrown off eBay for
shill bidding. Buyers beware...

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You will *never* believe what happened to me on eBay just a few days ago.

I still had some lingering transactions from non-trackable ebay shipments that went out internationally (before we had our chat about the necessity of tracking). Anyway, someone from Germany had purchased a $70 item from me, and filed a dispute because it hadn't shown up. Usual story, they paid for $7 airmail in a bubble mailer, and all I had to show for it was the customs form, that "in theory" carries a default $100 of insurance.

Anyway, eBay asked me for proof of shipment. I scanned that in and sent it to them. About 2 weeks later they said that they had accepted the proof of shipment, and ruled in my favour.

Not complaining, and this is definitely a one-off glitch... but WTF ?

rhd said:

You will *never* believe what happened to me on eBay just a few days ago.

I still had some lingering transactions from non-trackable ebay shipments that went out internationally (before we had our chat about the necessity of tracking). Anyway, someone from Germany had purchased a $70 item from me, and filed a dispute because it hadn't shown up. Usual story, they paid for $7 airmail in a bubble mailer, and all I had to show for it was the customs form, that "in theory" carries a default $100 of insurance.

Anyway, eBay asked me for proof of shipment. I scanned that in and sent it to them. About 2 weeks later they said that they had accepted the proof of shipment, and ruled in my favour.

Not complaining, and this is definitely a one-off glitch... but WTF ?

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Yeah... that really isn't their standard modus operandi...
Good for you...


Jerry

You can contact us at any time on our Website: J.BAUER Electronics

I kind of like etsy.com

rhd said:

You will *never* believe what happened to me on eBay just a few days ago.

I still had some lingering transactions from non-trackable ebay shipments that went out internationally (before we had our chat about the necessity of tracking). Anyway, someone from Germany had purchased a $70 item from me, and filed a dispute because it hadn't shown up. Usual story, they paid for $7 airmail in a bubble mailer, and all I had to show for it was the customs form, that "in theory" carries a default $100 of insurance.

Anyway, eBay asked me for proof of shipment. I scanned that in and sent it to them. About 2 weeks later they said that they had accepted the proof of shipment, and ruled in my favour.

Not complaining, and this is definitely a one-off glitch... but WTF ?

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Quite unusual for eBay

Maybe the agent who worked on your case was about to get laid-off

:beer:

Ablaze said:

I kind of like etsy.com

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Yeah I was looking into a few other places and etst.com
came up... Thanks.


Jerry

You can contact us at any time on our Website: J.BAUER Electronics

Well, this pisses me off.

My paypal account now has the 21 day money hold thing...

And I haven't even done anything wrong...

WHY

I've already had one deal go south because of this. Buyer didn't want to wait the 21 days so he called his bank and is having them chargeback paypal - he's going to send me a money order instead. I told him no problem with that on my end. Now the whole thnig will be dragged out until he gets his cash back from PP and into his bank and then withdraws it and makes a MO with it and then sends it snail mail. So, he probably would have been better off just waiting the 21days, but w/e.

Sigurthr said:

I've already had one deal go south because of this. Buyer didn't want to wait the 21 days so he called his bank and is having them chargeback paypal - he's going to send me a money order instead. I told him no problem with that on my end. Now the whole thnig will be dragged out until he gets his cash back from PP and into his bank and then withdraws it and makes a MO with it and then sends it snail mail. So, he probably would have been better off just waiting the 21days, but w/e.

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Well, to be accurate, the deal went south in part because you asked the buyer to wait 21 days, while this isn't really what Paypal intended for you to do.

I think this Paypal policy is complete garbage, I'm not for a moment suggesting otherwise, but they don't expect sellers to transfer that 21 day wait to their buyers. Paypal is expecting you to ship before that 21 day period has cleared.

Again, I think this policy is garbage, but Paypal's logic is that the payment is "safe from buyer recourse" immediately, and thus you should ship. For those next 21 days, the payment is only subject to Paypal's recourse (ie, if you turn out to be a scammer etc). In theory, during that 21 day hold, the payment has already been secured from the buyer, and they don't have the ability to retract it. So in Paypal's mind, you're supposed to be bridging that 21 day hold, in the sense that during this period you'll have access to neither the item, nor the money (which is being held by Paypal).

It's a little bit different than saying a payment is "pending". Because with the 21 day hold, the payment has already cleared to Paypal. Your accessing those funds is only contingent on Paypal saying "Ok, the funds are yours".

But the "theory" of it is ridiculous, because just as you've done, sellers are just going to offload the 21 day delay onto their buyers, which actually has a negative impact on the buyer's safety, because it wastes 21 days of their 45 day dispute window before the item even leaves the seller's hands.

Aye that is quite true. Unfortunately when I sell something it is because I need the money, including the cost of shipping! So I can't really afford to ship large items internationally without first receiving payment. Paypal hadn't really considered this I guess. If paypal held the item value but passed the cost of shipping on to the seller right away I would be ok with it.

Sigurthr said:

Aye that is quite true. Unfortunately when I sell something it is because I need the money, including the cost of shipping! So I can't really afford to ship large items internationally without first receiving payment. Paypal hadn't really considered this I guess. If paypal held the item value but passed the cost of shipping on to the seller right away I would be ok with it.

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Actually, I believe Paypal WILL let you use the pending funds to pay for shipping.

Agreed though - stupid policy.

The bigger the bank, the more annoying it gets.

rhd said:

Actually, I believe Paypal WILL let you use the pending funds to pay for shipping.

Agreed though - stupid policy.

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Hmm, I wonder how that would work. I didn't see any option to withdraw any of the pending funds to bank... I guess you would have to pay for shipping online with PayPal?

Sigurthr said:

Hmm, I wonder how that would work. I didn't see any option to withdraw any of the pending funds to bank... I guess you would have to pay for shipping online with PayPal?

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Yes, you do have to pay for shipping with Paypal.

I think it just *works*. When you go to purchase shipping, if you don't have any funds in your account, it will let you use your pending funds.

* I think *

The actual 21 day holding of funds idiocy is the fault of
eBay (the greedy pigs).
eBay is forcing PayPal to hold onto the funds if a buyer
buys through eBay... (Yeah I know they are basically
one in the same)

The sales we have made (on our Website) since they started
this a$$hattery have never been held and were available
immediately.

BTW...If you print out a shipping label through PayPal the price
for the PP label are available...

As of this thread we will no longer sell anything on eBay without
free shipping...

And as we can not ship to the whole globe for the same price
we have included the highest cost for shipping to anywhere in
our prices...

It is now less expensive to buy a LaserBee off our Website than
eBay... What a bunch of MORONS...

This policy is no doubt due to one of their "Pencil Pusher Experts"
that hasn't thought this out completely..

In an attempt to push our DSR higher I'm selling Schottky diodes at
a loss and giving the buyer extra diodes and a note to give us a 5
star rating... and a URL where to contact us directly..

Screw eBay.....

Jerry

You can contact us at any time on our Website: J.BAUER Electronics

Jerry,

They're all the same.

Ebay - PayPal = same company now.

I sell on Amazon, and use Amazon payments as well (for web store) , and I can say they are even worse.

I also use Google checkout for my web store- you have to be a master to find out which countries are blacklisted in Google secret don't ship list.

Alternative ?

There is no alternative- it is big corporation's world, and we are small fish to feed them.

Why nobody is talking about USPS - those guys are worst of all ever existed.

Alternative for affordable shipping - NO