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The order would come from your superiors, or their superiors, and it would not be obviously something against the constitution. For example you would be told you are apprehending an extremist right wing terrorist based on intelligence of an imminent attack.


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There will be influential people on the 2A side who disappear, or are deemed domestic terrorist and more, but there are 300,000,000 guns in American hands and this will still be a slow disarmament, who knows, if pushed too fast it could be what unites us and saves us from the coming socialism bondage.
But most likely it will be compromises made on top of compromises, another Clinton crime bill, just give up future manufacture and import of these cosmetically challenged things, then just 100 round magazines, then 50's then anything over 10 and so on....slowly.

Trust me, a big fight is not what the tyrants want, that unites people and they lose to the strength of numbers, what they want is a slow crushing grip of control from all sides, our healthcare, our money, our children, everything will be exploited for control and slowly the guns will be preyed away, if grabbed too fast the backlash will be destructive to the big plan of total control.
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Although it's veering off topic, this thread is inherently tied to politics so I think (and hope) it passes.

I have been doing a LOT of research into Russia, and Vladimir Putin lately. Let me just say that he is one of the few major players left (along with Trump) who aren't buying into the NWO's plan. I think things could get very interesting, and what I find shocking is how much left wing media lies about Russia and what Vladimir Putin says.

IF this interests anyone else in the thread, have a look on youtube under user "Inessa S" who has bags of material you would never know existed if you only lived in a left wing media bubble. The strange thing about it all is while as little as 30 years ago, the USSR couldn't be trusted to be truthful about anything, it now appears Russia, what was the majority of the USSR, is now more truthful than the west in its stated intentions.
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Heh, you would not say that if you watched the russian news channels. They are extremely heavy on propaganda. Sort of like Fox News but russian, and with better looking women.
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I think we're all guilty of that. But as a politician, when interviewed, he actually answers questions directly and rarely speaks out of turn. It's interesting to see. In case you don't know, most of the UK news channels are pretty bad for it. When the BBC (our main and effectively "state run" station) were reporting on Brexit, they were audibly mortified to deliver the out vote, and didn't hesitate to pass their opinions on it in a "we hate the british public and their democracy for doing this" sort of manner. It was unprofessional, insulting and undermining of our intelligence - but that's the BBC.

Most UK politicians frankly refuse to rebut any point given to them, instead answering with something beginning with "well we're working towards ..." or "statistics showed that ..." without ever answering the question.. Putin certainly isn't like that and while I'm not saying I'm about to get into bed with him it makes you realise how badly our media smears the Russians.

Even as a bi***ual person I couldn't really find fault in anything he has said when interviewed about LGBT persons in Russia and laws surrounding it. However, while he claims that there is no discrimination towards LGBT people enshrined in law, I'm sure it doesn't stop "Gods law" coming into play making it potentially difficult for some LGBT Russian citizens. In particular, the ban on homo***ual and paedophilia propaganda law is made out by the west to be a direct attack on gays, but when actually explained properly by the man himself that's a very far fetched conclusion - it's just designed to protect children from lewd ***ual education effectively.

I'm far from a forgone conclusion but after actually educating myself, my views on Russia and Putin have been challenged, but then I am already far more right than I used to be and as I have said before I would more than entertain voting for Mr Trump if I was resident in the US.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_yMQppWLCM

We have Governors and State politicians just making up laws without following the process, we are supposed to be a free people, we are supposed to have 3 branches of government, this is not a democracy, this is more like a dictatorship, more like we have kings and queens, the peasants are likely to revolt if some justice is not served.
Now when Hillary gets installed and stacks scotus the interpretation of the law will change, but I still think the peasants may revolt.



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I didn't know where to post this, but this guy is bang on.

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It's my opinion that hard steel should be used for the fire control parts to prevent premature wear at the notches and make sure you don't have trigger creep by cutting notches that reset a half pulled trigger, basically a return slant, also chamber tolerances need to be right to prevent fire forming your brass or having it blow out, straight edge cases would be a good idea. Read about and understand head spacing before building. Also you don't want a bolt that snaps shut and bounces back as it fires or that can cause case rupture, a rear bolt tail that just lets the hammer clear only when the bolt is shut on a rifle and timing of the interrupt on a pistol, you can see it above the grip in the video thumbnail, if the slide is back at all it won't let the trigger drop the hammer.

There's a science to barrel chambers but in a pinch a person could get away with a slightly loose tolerance, especially with lower pressure cartridges.

This looks like fun, but I would like to build a semi auto 12 ga shotgun.

Of course know your local laws and build at your own risk, this is not mine but I like his process.



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Building your own gun, why not

If it's for self defense purposes i don't think it matters how long it lasts, it just has to fire the number of rounds it can hold.

With 3D printing you can even make them out of mostly plastic. The ammo is another matter ofcourse, but that would be much easier to conceal in shipping compared to a metal gun.

Illegally manufactured weapons can be all kinds of things, and no legislation will stop them. Someone could get a drone and drop a pound of nitroglycerine on your head - detonator optional with sufficient altitude
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Shooting arrows like that requires amazing skill though. I guess there are people that can do it with slingshots, boomerangs and what not after enough practice.

At short range a gun is just a point and click interface that requires little to no skill to use.

Not that homebrew solutions are not dangerous or ineffective though. As a chemist by education i don't find it very difficult to come up with a system that involves mixing 2 substances (perhaps by cracking a vial lke in a light stick) killing everyone without a gas mask in a sizeable room.

This kind of improvised weapon can be much more dangerous than guns though, since those usually only kill people you point them at, not all random people in the general area.

Gun control laws in europe are at a point where it would be harder for me to legally obtain a small firearm for self defense than it is to obtain the supplies to carry out a mass attack claiming the lives of hundreds or even thousands. Obviously the actual attack would be illegal, but obtaining the supplies to do so is not unless you plan to use them for such an attack.

I guess the world is safer because people with a background in the exact sciences usually are not murderous lunatics
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Good people should not be made easy crime victims and in America it would be impossible to disarm everyone in 25 years, especially criminals with stolen guns that are invisible to data bases, plus healthy young criminals can make weapons too, not that they need to as just a few thugs with knives could strong arm rob at will if they knew every law abiding victim was unarmed, this is why gun free zones and the tightest gun control areas also have the highest crime rates.

If you have chicken poop and rocks you can make a primitive firearm, you bleach the chicken poop to make niter and you need a piece of flint to make a spark, although model rocket igniters would be better, the rest is basically a pipe and cap on 1 end.

Pre charged pneumatic arms are quite powerful and a simple 3 stage bicycle style pump can be used to charge a reservoir.

With modern materials and home machining available to the average person the concept of disarming criminals is impossible, all gun laws will do is create victims.

I don't see Americans allowing any more than another Clinton style crime bill banning future import and manufacture of certain things, as for what is already owned people are not going to give it up easily, well some will, some might and some simply will not.
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I suppose disarming the US population is nothing more than a fantasy given the number of weapons out there, registered or not.

It also doesn't really help to prevent criminals using illegal weapons. Despite a ban on firearms here criminals still shoot eachother up once in a while, using handguns but also things like AK47s, sometimes even using armor piercing ammunition.

Banning firearms resulting in only criminals having them is a pretty real thing, not only when it comes to factory made weapons but also to improvised ones. Downside of the improvised ones is that they are usually not that accurate and can be built into overkill models if need be. Supersonic bowlingballs probably do more damage than .38 rounds i suppose, but guess which are legal
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The US Army was caught off guard when they discovered indians were making their own gunpowder.

Your never going to make anyplace "gun free" if someone wants a gun they can always build it themselves, gun gunpowder bullets and all.

Also there are many things much more deadly if your after a body count and much less complicated. Simply mixing bleach and ammonia come to mind.
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Old 08-30-2016, 01:59 AM #1583
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The problem is common sense has nothing to do with the Clinton agenda to destroy the American Second Amendment, all it will do is empower criminals, and punish home owners who are forced to defend their sleeping children from an intruder with a gun.

People will defend their homes and families, but face legal repercussions afterwards in an anti 2A Clinton world.

Tyrants prefer unarmed peasants, even though they have a squad of armed body guards who travel with them, I expect the 2A battle could be the straw that breaks the camels back. I know I will fight and give all that I have in opposition to the loss of our most critical rights because I know how important our Bill of Rights is to our Freedom, our safety, our way of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.



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With Obama it has always seemed like gun control was somewhat of an afterthought to him. He'd only try to push it after big shootings or massacres. Hillary is truly dangerous on the issue though. She actually seems to care about making gun control a priority for her presidency. The only hope of avoiding it is if the Republicans keep Congress and the Senate.
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