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Old 07-15-2016, 06:32 PM #1537
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Besides non optional home wellness checks and other hidden power grabs is the fact it won't work, we will pay more and get less.

Full on social healthcare could be offered in addition to private, but rationing would mean poor care, whatever the answer is, it's not Obamacare.

So far we have had dates pushed out and federal money propping up the plan temporarily, prices are expected to double next year, we will see.



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I found that video to be factual, and don't disagree with it. It perfectly illustrates my my problem with ACA in that the already broken insurance/medical industry is just being propped up more.

What I believe to be the case though, is that it is intended to crash, and with enough of a backlash that some form of a single payer system will result.
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A single payer system sounds good, I would like to have " FREE " healthcare, but I am afraid it would be worse than the VA hospital system and would include further intrusion into our personal freedom.

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I suppose things like the "free" british NHS actually work quite well.

One advantage is that people are less inclined to afford care due to costs, possibly letting conditions worsen to a point where treatment is much more expensive compared to going to a doctor with the first symptoms.

Many european countries have a system where at least the brunt of the cost is somehow covered, either by mandatory health insurance, the state or a mix.
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I read there is a 12 month wait for surgery in the UK.
I knew a girl with a inflamed appendix, she was suffering but could not afford surgery and the hospital will not do it without payment unless it bursts and is life threatening.

But having to wait a year is not much better.

I see how the VA is run, people die waiting.

I say we become energy independent, use our own oil reserves and stop exporting all that wealth.
Take paycheck Medicare taxes and put that money into health savings funds for future emergency use rather than the Medicare bottomless pit.

But our politicians don't really care, they lie and say they do, but they don't.

Social Security had such a surplus they said it could never run dry, then President Lyndon Johnson raided the Social Security Trust Fund to wage the Vietnam War, it never was paid back.
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There is no such thing as a waiting list for acute problems. If you were to have appendicits in europe you'd be tereated immediately regardless of having insurance at all.

This doesnt make a perfect system though, you could wait for a procedure like a hip replacement for some time.

It's a triage system where anything life threathening goes before checking insurance, but after that it can be as bad as the american system really.
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The family went out to the yard to find their 3-year-old American Bulldog, Pit Bull mix, Opie, clinging to life and a reportedly remorseless officer on the other side of the fully-fenced property.

"Ma'am I just had to shoot your dog," an officer, identified by family members as Josh Franklin, reportedly told Malone's daughter Crystal.

Rio Youngblood, Vickie’s son who is the owner of the 90-pound dog, said the pet "was amazing with kids" and "never hurt anybody."

"Why'd you shoot my dog?" the incensed owner said he asked the office

"He walks slowly out to his car gets an AR-15 and points it at the dog and pulls the trigger," Youngblood said. "He fires another round and it ended my dog's life. He lowered his head and drove off."

Oklahoma cop shoots and kills family dog during birthday party - NY Daily News

"The dog cannot jump the fence," Malone said. "The gates to our yard are tied with wire and shoe string. The dog could maybe have gotten his head through the fence but he wouldn't have been able to open it."

A video taken by Youngblood shortly after the shooting shows the dead dog well within the bounds of his enclosure.

Moore maintains that the dog's shooting was justified.

Wynnewood Police did not respond to requests for comment.

The officer's reason for being on the Malone's property has also perplexed the family. They are still waiting for a coherent explanation for his visit and an apology from the Wynnewood police.
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An apology? I'd want that pig's head on a platter. Unfortunately these cases are far from uncommon, and pets are regarded as nothing but property. At best he'll face a written reprimand, and some paid time off.

And cops wonder why they are hated so much. Shit like this. incontrovertible simple straightforward cases where cops face none or few consequences. That the cop hasn't been arrested, to me is an indication that the whole department is nothing but a pig pen.
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Holy jeebus flipping hamburgers. They wanna take OUR guns away?
North Miami police officer shot caretaker of autistic man on ground | Miami Herald
Cop shoots caretaker of autistic man playing in the street with toy truck

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As the worker lays there, the autistic man continues to play with his toy
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The more this happens the more people that will hate and distrust the police forever. Whenever you encounter police you have to consider them an immediate threat and be very careful what you say and do, you could loose your life at any moment. I myself will never call 911 ever for any reason, unless I have to for some special reason like if I was present when someone murdered someone or something like that, there are circumstances where you have to. I think more people may start pushing back, and the last thing we need is more shootings of police, that could easily lead to more militarization of the police and that will only lead to more problems.

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"I think more people may start pushing back, and the last thing we need is more shootings of police, that could easily lead to more militarization of the police and that will only lead to more problems."

I really don't want anyone to be hurt or shot, especially by nut jobs targeting cops strictly because they are cops, or because they are white cops, but playing devil's advocate, seeing cops who commit murder (as in the article above), put down time and again, that could force a change in their insular us vs them culture. It could show cops that they are accountable, and will face consequences, as they clearly face few, if any, now.
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Multiple people killed in shooting at Munich shopping mall, broadcaster reports - The Portland Press Herald / Maine Sunday Telegram

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So far only consistent thing is that there were three of them but no details. Extreme right wing nutjobs or muslim isis nut jobs. I'm betting it's one or the other.
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So far only consistent thing is that there were three of them but no details. Extreme right wing nutjobs or muslim isis nut jobs. I'm betting it's one or the other.
I'm really getting tired of all this violence, stupidity and bigotry from every side. Going to have to take a break from the internet and all other forms of news media soon at this rate. The media sure as hell isn't helping anything. What's the damn point in constantly living in fear? Giving up our beliefs and our freedom for "security"? The moment we start to live in fear from what is, at least statistically, a very small threat, we've already lost.



No confirmation either way yet as to what type of nutjobs involved ... as terrible as it is I'm hoping it's the former... At least maybe that'll shut up some of the bigots and stop some of the tremendously stupid comments I'm seeing for a while. Saying that, no doubt it'll just somehow spawn more stupidity from the left too.

Seriously - so many people calling for the eradication of Islam/Deportation of all Muslims. It's as if no one remembers what happened the last time someone tried to do something similar...

It's not just the right, or Muslims or Terrorists these days - it seems more and more people are getting more and more extreme on every end of the spectrum. I'm fed up listening to the extreme left telling me what I can and can't say to people and telling me that I need to be "PC" or whatever extreme liberal bullshit they've come up with today just as much as I'm fed up with the extreme right telling me that we should hate Muslims and basically, anyone that isn't white and from a western nation. Screw them all, every body just agree to disagree and at least pretent to get along, it's not that bloody difficult. Jeez.


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Well, the probably suspect in the Munich attack as been found dead. After killing 10 others this Iranian man comitted suicide, at least that is the news so far. Muslim nutjob seems to be the likely explanation as it is so often these days.

In all honesty i think i'm agreeing with the idea that not all muslims are terrorists, but virtually all terrorists are muslims. There is the occasional exception, but in the grand scheme of things it would seem a wise precaution to keep muslims out of your country if you can at this point.

For western europe this is no longer an option since virtually all countries here have a vast muslim population already, but if it's still viable to prevent muslim immigration in your country i'd suggest taking that precaution.
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