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Well I hope some of you have been watching TV news all evening like I have. I have been wondering if this would happen sooner or later. And it happened in Dallas tonight during an otherwise peaceful protest. This is a disaster of cosmic proportions, no telling what will happen in the aftermath of this! 11 officers shot, 4 dead so far.
While this is all pretty horrible, it shows that for now even people attacking police are completely incompetent idiots. Doing so amid a protest may be statement on its own.

This is not a person that actually intended to kill the maximum number of cops possible before his own death though, it is the act of a violent idiot. Realistically he could have quite easily killed a lot more by shooting up a donut shop at some random moment around lunchtime.

While obviously a blow to the family and friends, things like these were only a few are killed make me feel safe too: As long as the enemy manages to kill about 5 people for each of their own there is not that much to worry about. By the time it gets up to 1000 to one you should start to worry, by the time it's a million to one be very affraid.


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Why arbitrary lists can't be allowed.



Patriots in California need to move to Arizona, and those in Connecticut move to Vermont and those in New York need to move to the South Eastern States, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas.

We need a concentration of like minded people in the already most free states because if Hillary gets elected we may well want to secede from the Union and a flood of patriots who support the Bill of Rights and are willing to fight for freedom will be best served with the strength of numbers on our side.

Attempting to fight for your rights in California with the unbalance of liberal mush heads will not work, some of these ignorant people will not get it until their rights are all gone and big brothers boot if firmly on their necks.

Like minute men of old we must be ready to defend our neighbors when they are singled out 1 at a time by alphabet agency feds, because free state Governors and Sheriffs will not comply with unconstitutional Federal infringements.

Divided we fall, United we stand, the Good people of California should strengthen the good people of Arizona, if we are to be a nation divided then lets get our ducks in a row, because people in California don't have a leg to stand on with the liberal imbalance, rather than fight a losing battle move so we have a strong pair of legs to stand on together in Arizona.
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Patriots in California need to move to Arizona, and those in Connecticut move to Vermont and those in New York need to move to the South Eastern States, Georgia, Tennessee, Texas.

We need a concentration of like minded people in the already most free states because if Hillary gets elected we may well want to secede from the Union and a flood of patriots who support the Bill of Rights and are willing to fight for freedom will be best served with the strength of numbers on our side.

Attempting to fight for your rights in California with the unbalance of liberal mush heads will not work, some of these ignorant people will not get it until their rights are all gone and big brothers boot if firmly on their necks.

Like minute men of old we must be ready to defend our neighbors when they are singled out 1 at a time by alphabet agency feds, because free state Governors and Sheriffs will not comply with unconstitutional Federal infringements.

Divided we fall, United we stand, the Good people of California should strengthen the good people of Arizona, if we are to be a nation divided then lets get our ducks in a row, because people in California don't have a leg to stand on with the liberal imbalance, rather than fight a losing battle move so we have a strong pair of legs to stand on together in Arizona.
If this won't get you on a watch list I don't know what will.

Which is more than likely why people haven't and won't actually do anything like this.
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Actually people are leaving New York, that's why they are offering business 10 years tax free to try and bring them back.

What Jerry Brown did in California is a violation of his oath of office, it is very much an infringement and passing a law that a law abiding citizen on December 31st 2016 will become a felon at 12:01 am on January 1st 2017 if they don't turn in a 20 round magazine that they have owned for 30 years feels a lot like state sponsored terrorism to me.

Illegal Unconstitutional infringements are invalid, The Bill of Rights is the supreme law of our land and any State, county, city or other lower law passed that acts to circumvent out Constitutional rights is an act of treason.

There is a process to amend the Constitution, any law that circumvents it as Tomas Jefferson said is our duty as patriotic citizens to disobey, and if that gets me on a list so be it, I will not be afraid to exercise my freedom of speech.



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Texas has talked about secession before, they had 125,000 petition Obama in 2012, Texans claim they never really were a state. I will gladly move to Texas if we get Hillary and Texans get serious about separating.

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That would be interesting if it ever happened.

I suppose Texas could become an independent country, but i wonder how well that would work out: It'd be wedged between mexico and the US. The southern part is already fenced up against mexican immigrants, and i wonder if the remainder of the US would build a border fence on the other side.

Upside for texas is having harbours and airfields already installed, allowing access to both people and cargo from the rest of the world.

I guess they idea isn't totally crazy: It was deemed unthinkable that a country would leave the EU a few years ago, but the UK just voted to do exactly that. If it works out i think a couple of countries might follow.

Not that the EU is as integrated as the US, but politically it's probably about as sensitive.
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If Hilary is elected the US will split in half from Texas to Montana.

Force East and West coasts to pay to fly, ship, move across the divide.

As soon as Texas does it the rest will follow.



However in 2008 when Texas talked of leaving because of gun regs Montana actually filed the paperwork. News Article

I think there is a good chance a national movement would be the same. Texas will yell about leaving while Montana quietly and quickly actually does it first.
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There are a lot of variables, Hillary would likely use SCOTUS appointees to reinterpret the 2A and executive orders to further grab power.

Sadly I don't see freedom blossoming under Hillary, I see tyranny and oppression in a world of tax slaves living hand to mouth suffering an ever lower standard of living and dependent on social programs to survive. Invasive medical programs that may become non optional in time.

A divided nation already exists, but the people are spread out, those freedom loving patriots living in progressive liberal states need to move asap, if things go badly then land prices will skyrocket elsewhere.

I have a couple tracks in Colorado and want to buy some land in Texas, but time is growing short. Georgia is not the worst State to be in but California and New York are good places to get out of.

If it comes down to secession to live free then the time to plan is yesterday.

The coming problems are two fold, economic depression and oppressive legislation.

Sorry if this seems off topic but it's not, our freedom is tied to our Bill of Rights and as one falls they all will, much has already been lost and the 2A is a keystone.

I love America and I pledge my allegiance to the flag, I strive to be a good citizen, but when those in power trample the rules while they make new ones to trample us then my natural God given rights become my guide stones, I only want to live in peace and as a Free man, I desire not to harm anyone, however I do reserve my God given right to defend myself and my family.

I think it's time we all go back to Church in a location where we are surrounded by like minded people, we need now more than ever to keep our heads together and sadly we may all have to choose a side or accept being told what to do forever. The one world concept sounds good but it means a centralization of power that rules the world, if you disagree with their decision for you that's too bad.

Hurray for England, congrats on Brexit, there is a lesson there somewhere....
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I suppose the option of a part of the US splitting off is very relevant to the gun discussion really, as that part would no longer have to abide to any federal regulations.

One interesting idea would be a block of states splitting off all at once, perhaps all the way from arizona to florida and form a new country/block with these states inside it with more autonomy.

I presume the remainder of the US would have a huge problem as it would lose a lot of assets with such a move. It would mean the loss of the largest harbours, important air connections and even lack of access to space if florida joined.
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And the worlds only supply of helium.

If a large percentage of Texas was making noise about separating you can bet the Fed would back down and allow Texas to make their own gun laws, they would be exempt from all the Federal crime bills and such, simply being willing to stand and disobey will do it. Texas can survive on their own.

The idiot Black lives matter protesters should have stopped after the shooting, it was a good time for everyone to work together with newfound tolerance and respect, but so many are just rabble without an end goal, the morons think burning down their local stores will matter to DC, so stupid.

The whole dam racial tension situation has been stoked by Barry, they have been used like tools and turned into the bad guys, if it keeps up the national guard will be dealing with them as a mob of criminals.

Gun owners don't attack, they defend if necessary but they don't attack or loot, we won't be made the bad guys, but we will stand together against them, they ( our lawmakers ) are a very small crowd and their enforcement is the family members of the gun owners who are not attacking anyone, but we will not comply in mass and we will pull the right strings where we outnumber the liberal mush heads.


Obama has started it and Hillary will finish creating a fully divided nation, I feel bad for the poor and elderly who are stuck in the soon to be bankrupt and crime ridden liberal cities.
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Firearms sales have been through the roof for a while now, one of my favorite super outdoor centers hasn't even put a sales page up for 3 months until just recently and there is a line out front every time I go there in the morning when they open. If your in Ga these guys have great bargains, they do very high volume. https://www.adventureoutdoors.us/

More and more items are showing sold out, prices may jump pre/post election so if you want something now is a good time to get it.

Just look at these sites and see how many lines are OUT of STOCK

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Even protective gear has a production wait time due to high volume of orders, what are people preparing for?

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Remember this is not a surprise, production was geared up to meet year end demand and still people are buying it out while it's available, some are afraid it won't be available this time next year at all, some expect a 500% increase in value, but many just want to feel safe because there's a lot more going on than politics and people may have to rely on themselves, people should have a basic preparedness to shelter in place in the event of something like mass power outages.

Around here the convenience stores emergency lights come on and cops can be seen camping out in the parking lots, I saw this just this summer during a night time blackout, imagine a week without electricity, some areas will do fine, other places will see people regress to savage in as little as a week or two if the lights stay off at night, some people have less than 2 weeks of food and water at home, even if you don't want to own a gun you should have basic provisions, water being crucial.

Hurricane Katrina showed people what can happen, even the local government went looting, Americans have de evolved in the inner cities, those who get snowed in are prepared to shelter in place, plus who goes looting in a blizzard, but inner cities and suburbs below a particular socio economic level will often revert to savage in short order, we are not supposed to talk about it, but BLM has also helped gun sales, and Barry egged that on at the start, Barry has done more for gun sales than any president in history, how ironic.

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This fight has yet to begin, but even if Californians fail other states with higher numbers of patriots will be awaken and will learn from their mistakes, millions of Americans will and already are in Connecticut refusing to comply, this is about much more than guns, this is a fight for freedom.





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I presume you mean LEGAL gun owners there. I'm sure the people robbing businesses at gunpoint do not use guns that are registered to them just in case they actually have to fire a couple of rounds.

For the mass shootings where the shooter doesn't expect to survive having the gun registered to their name would matter a lot less... but they would be able to obtain an illegal firearm for their 'final mission' quite easily.

Take gun-banned europe as an example: normal citizens aren't allowed any firearms, but the street gangs are happily shooting up eachother with AK-47's (those are relatively abundant here from the conflicts in yugoslavia and such, and work fine even after a couple of decades in storage).
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A guy apparently just mowed down hundreds killing 60+ with a TRUCK in France. Seems exactly like the stuff I was saying would happen. Who needs guns to go on a killing spree?
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This was done with a truck, the driver was stopped with guns. Thank God for the cops with guns who stopped the truck.

I still would not be surprised if Obama worked gun control in to his speech before the bodies are in the ground.

I felt so bad for the Dallas police when he went into his political control agenda during his speech at their remembrance ceremony for the 5 dead officers, Obama stole their moment of remembrance and it made me feel sick, I openly offer my condolences and know that the Great state of Texas deserves a better president, we all do.

Tomorrow Obama is going to ban trucks, except the trucks we sell to Iran to carry the 150 Billion dollars he gave them to build nukes......why have we not impeached this traitor? Why are we allowing his partner in crime to run for office?

Hillary if is installed into the White House she can write Exec orders until her pen runs dry, I will keep my rights until the moment I die.


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Did you see the female officer dozing off while Obummer was speaking? I'd probably do the same.
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It's like " gun control " is the new race card, anything to deflect from the truth that he is fighting this war on terror from behind.
People clap when he shuts up, but not always during, during many look like they want to hold their noses.

It's really more than a distraction, part of what makes America strong is that we have a gun behind every blade of grass.
The American people can resist foreign invaders, masses of radicalized domestic zealots, even a tyrannical run away government.
Gun control is about controlling people against their will and with tools like Obamacare the system will end up with it's hand up everyone's backside.
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I don't like it either, but on balance ACA has done some good.

The problem is it completely failed to address runaway healthcare costs that allow hospitals to charge $50 for a band aid, and $20 for a cup of ice chips, by eliminating a government run/state run insurance. The same pills that cost $.50 overseas are sold here for so much more that people have to make sad choices on whether to buy food of medications.

A single payer system would be of a great benefit, but as anything it has to be tempered with good oversight and accountability which is thoroughly missing at all levels of our government.
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