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Old 07-02-2016, 05:50 AM #1473
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I check safety seals and think about the Tylenol poisoning when I buy or open anything, it's a concern I have had as it lets 1 operative strike terror in multiple places and survive to kill again and again and the scare lasts well beyond the incident.

I have held back talking about it but it is very likely we will see all kinds of attacks in the future.

I am glad I don't take illegal dope brought in from god knows where, who knows what that bag of pot has in it, maybe you smoke it and die or just go blind.

Really it's going to be dam hard to win against an enemy willing to die, I am afraid it's going to be a lasting problem now.
There have always been "psycos" of one type or another that got thrills doing this type of stuff. Counted that way, like all crime (in the US at least) this stuff is trending down.

It just looks bad because these "psycos" have grouped up and formed an ideology and modus operandi along with a statement of goals and such.

If we react to it by preparing (being armed and trained) and not cowering, than they will quit attacking us and bother an easier target where the kill count is likely to be larger.


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The Islamic zealots " radicalized " are never going to stop, but disarming the public is only going to make us soft targets.

If I lived in California I would get the hell out of that " progressive dope smoking victim state " too many liberals who think love can solve the problem, they are wrong and are going to get the picture later on.

I expect millions of Americans who have a pair will relocate and secede from the union if things continue, I can pack up and move and I am willing to stand with fellow patriots, but I can't help the dope heads who refuse to face the truth.
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If I lived in California I would get the hell out of that " progressive dope smoking victim state " too many liberals who think love can solve the problem, they are wrong and are going to get the picture later on.

I expect millions of Americans who have a pair will relocate and secede from the union if things continue, I can pack up and move and I am willing to stand with fellow patriots, but I can't help the dope heads who refuse to face the truth.
California should not secede but in fact be expelled from the U.S. And be made an independent country, we don't need those Prius driving asshats. They are not only on the edge of insanity, they have fallen face first into it, if brains were C4 they wouldn't have enough to blow their own noses.

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It's not all of California though. It's mostly the city dwellers and immigrants that cause it to go blue. Kind of like Illinois. The very high large city populations with pretty much override the rest of the state.
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They are going to sue Jerry Brown and I think citizens should sue him personally, the State is too liberal to get a recall election but they can try, I would move out to better State.

If we get that criminal Hillary you will want to be in a State that will fight unconstitutional infringement or not enforce it at the least.

I suppose the dope smoking hippies and welfare loafers would vote for Aldoph Hitler so long as they get their free money checks and legal dope.

Half of the Nation gets at least 1 form of government assistance, 1/6 of the nation gets Social Security, that means a full 1/3 gets free money checks and food stamps, give them legal pot and they would lick Stalin's boots.
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If we get that criminal Hillary you will want to be in a State that will fight unconstitutional infringement or not enforce it at the least.

I suppose the dope smoking hippies and welfare loafers would vote for Aldoph Hitler so long as they get their free money checks and legal dope.

Half of the Nation gets at least 1 form of government assistance, 1/6 of the nation gets Social Security, that means a full 1/3 gets free money checks and food stamps, give them legal pot and they would lick Stalin's boots.
The war on drugs needs to end, the entire issue should be treated as a public health problem (if your going to tax it the tax needs to go to drug treatment programs) and from a legal standpoint you shouldn't be charged for victimizing/harming yourself. It is unfortunate this issue has been Left vs Right polarized and politicized.

As a veteran with PTSD the medical MJ law allowed me to go from being house bound collecting disability to working at the local airport reconditioning/rebuilding props to back to spec, that income led to me getting an 06FFL and starting my own business.

The fact that 51% get more back in tax/wellfare/benefits than they pay in is the real issue.

The success of a social wellfare program should be how many people quit needing it after a while.
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Yes it should be legal nationwide, I don't want it but I say let anyone who does have it.

The problem is when the president says " we are not going to enforce this law " but leaves it on the books, States have made it legal but Federal employees still get fired if they test positive for something their State says is legal.

This prescient of selective enforce is another step towards tyranny, just change the dam law and make weed legal.

And as far as the Constitution goes we had better roll back the infringements of all our rights or in time we will have nothing.

Abolish the patriot act, Obamacare, legalize weed.....but no, they will exploit every thing for power and control while the sheeple vote based on their issues, we are divided, we are puppets, we need to go back to being free and wipe the slate clean.

I mean they pass stacks of pages of laws all the time, just get a traffic ticket and they can find a previous ruling either way to take your money, it gets to where we can't win because no matter what we are always wrong.

We need a reset. Lets go back to the Bill of Rights and wipe the mountains of pages of laws off the books and burn the books, rules and regulations that we did not vote on need to go.

Our basic set of rules should be enough and when there is an issue we have the ability to have a weekly internet vote to decide if ABC corporation can pollute beyond what is necessary to make the whatever we need, otherwise they do it anyway and our bloated government of thieves collects a fine that disappears.

20 Trillion in debt....there is no such thing as a trillion dollars, we have never printed a trillion dollars, it could wallpaper the earth.

The government s too dam big and we are told way too much what we can and cant have or do, that's not freedom.

Freedom is doing what you want that hurts no one else and being held responsible if you do, words on paper don't stop crime, men putting hands on criminals stop crime and there's a boatload of crime in DC.

Part of Freedom is respecting the other persons rights, even if you don't like what they say they have the right to say it, but Big Government will regulate that too in time, it really has gone too far when our elected officials don't play by the rules and are completely unaccountable.

People are going to reach a point where they have had enough, this imbalance has to be corrected, the Constitution has to count.
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Why would it be exceptionally difficult to defeat an enemy that is willing to die?

It's just a change of mindset. We are used to enemies that are pretty much like us - warriors that are willing to take some risk to accomplish a task but would avoid doing anything that results in certain death.

We have always dealt within that assumption, even if the other person was quite malicious. One older safety example is not to let peoples' checked in bags onto planes when they do not board them themsevels. Logic dictated that people would never blow up a plane in flight if they were on it, since back then planes were usually hijacked for ransom, political goals etc.

Times have changed and we get suicide bombers now that obviously expect to die in the act. One technological countermeasure would be to create some (emp?) device that detonates bomb vests at a perimiter around busy places like airports and stadiums.

The way we though of such assaults has long been 'how would i go about doing that (preferably without getting caught)' and then come up with some countermeasure. The new method of thinking is 'how would a suicidal maniac go about that'.

Perhaps we should hire some suicidal maniacs to come up with the ideas - until they actually commit suicide they would probably enjoy a regular paycheck...
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So they send 10 to get 1 through, or shield their detonators, of infect themselves to infect others, they can adapt.

It's just like the FBI guy said on TV, we have to get it right 100% of the time, but they only have to slip through once.

Hitler knew and said he stood up in his parade car, because if an assassin was dedicated to the point of self sacrifice there was no way to avoid that, so he may as well stand in the parade car.

We have a much larger base population of immigrants who are more prone to being radicalized.

The Pulse shooter was 2nd generation, born here, and they don't teach a that it's ok to be gay, they still teach that it's wrong, I know because I listened to the emom saying it to the reporter.

I expect as statistics show that it will be a growing problem, I hope I'm wrong, but I doubt it.






Oh, people who home school their children are leaving California too, seem they want to tell everyone what to do.
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I suppose the US has a sizeable christian population that has similar views on homo***uality, though they rarely go as far shoot up a club. One difference might be that most christians also believe getting yourself killed is wrong, and today killing heathens isn't really condoned anymore either.

As for people being killed by bombings in iraq: These are not all suicide attacks. Some of them are, others are for example cars loaded with explosives but detonated by a timer or remote.

'outside iraq' also includes afghanistan, syria, lebanon and places like jemen, if you were to plot the number killed in "western countries" it would be far lower. Still 1 is 1 too many.
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Yes and no. I'm always weary, but the fact that we actually got our brexit vote gave me confidence. Just about no one in power wants it, so if there was ever going to be voter corruption, this would be it. The powers that be are doing everything they can to delay, dilute and even reverse the process though. Democracy, eh?
Even Boris and Nigel don't want anything to do with it now that they've won - arguably the two biggest supporters of Brexit during the campaign. Prime example of a clusterf***.

Boris isn't going to run for PM and Nigel has stepped down as UKIP leader.

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'outside iraq' also includes afghanistan, syria, lebanon and places like jemen, if you were to plot the number killed in "western countries" it would be far lower. Still 1 is 1 too many.
Bet me to it, but yeah, "outside Iraq" is rather broad. Gotta be careful when it comes to statistics. They can usually be manipulated far too easily.
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The truth is you have a much higher risk of dying from a hospital mistake than a gunshot.

We can't completely protect people from cancer, we can't even ban smoking, a known addictive carcinogen because there's too much blood money involved, but some people think my God given Constitutionally protected right to defend myself should be taken away by force and by the killing of me if needed to protect the public from a problem that does not exist, I have shot guns since I was very young with my father and owned guns since I was 18, I HAVE NEVER SHOT ANYONE!

Other than playing paintball and they were willing participants, but I have watched my wife die coughing up blood from smoking....and the truth is I say let people smoke, it's freedom of choice, and so is my defending my right to own a gun as I have all my adult life without hurting anyone.

Gun control is not about protecting people, it's about controlling people against their will.

Something they won't do where there is a real problem like deadly addictive tobacco, because tobacco can't be used to overthrow a corrupt government, and they are VERY afraid of toy drones with explosives attached, they could be used as cruise missiles, it has nothing to do with all the people who get killed by toy drones because airplanes are not falling from the skies and people are not getting killed, except by government drones, they kill children half way around the world.
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The fact that tobacco isn't banned yet is almost dumbfounding. It kills more than guns, alcohol and illegal drugs combined. I guess they just don't care so long as they get their cut from big tobacco.
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The fact that tobacco isn't banned yet is almost dumbfounding. It kills more than guns, alcohol and illegal drugs combined. I guess they just don't care so long as they get their cut from big tobacco.
Tobacco is, in effect, banning itself. It is no longer 'cool' among young people to smoke; vaping, which is far less dangerous, has become much more popular. Within a few decades I suspect it will be almost totally replaced.
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