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I agree this is a good idea in general, just like having to get a drivers license before getting on public roads in a car where you could do a lot of damage if you have no clue what you are doing.

Just a quick test to demonstrate that you know how to load and operate the gun, and more importantly know how to remove any chambered rounds and engage the safety for guns that have that.

I suppose that many of the gun incidents where little kids shoot their siblings and such are actually a big failure on the part of the parents. They fail to keep the gun out of the kids hands in the first place. They also leave the guns around with a chambered round and the safety off.

For guns that don't have a seperate safety lever you should be especially careful not to leave them with a round in the chamber. As long as you do that it takes at least 1 and usually 2 fairly complex things to do before a gun will fire when you pull the trigger.

And it is somewhat comparable to cars too: if you have an automatic, don't leave the keys it in drive with the keys in the ignition. If you leave it in park, it will take 2 actions to accidentily make the car go. If you have a manual you can leave the keys in there as long as it is in neutral - operating the clutch while shifting gears is not someting one does by accident.
Both the written and physical driving tests in the US are pointless. I wish more cops would do something about people doing more than 5 over, cruising in the left lane, tailgating/cutting people off, not using turn signals and running red lights/stop signs. That's one of the biggest things I miss about living in Germany.


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You don't have a Constitutional right to drive a car, it's a privilege.

You do have a Constitutional right to own a gun.

Registration is confiscation, I WILL NOT REGISTER.....EVER!!!!!!!


If that Islamic extremist Muslim terrorist who murdered at the PULSE could not easily get a gun he likely would have built a bomb, it's easy to build a bomb I am told and a bomb in that 1 door fire trap would have killed more than 1/6 of the 300 patrons I would bet.

So ask yourself, are you buying the bullshit Obama is selling?
Do you believe gun laws will affect anyone but law abiding people.
Would the PULSE have less dead bodies if a bomb went off.

While we are talking about this the flow of Syrian refugees has been increased in the last couple days, something that could make us safer has not been done, the polar opposite has been done.

Expect to see more Islamic extremist terrorist attacks, be prepared to defend your family because the police and government can't help you, or you can turn in your guns and all hold hands and sing kum by yah while the terrorist cut you up with kitchen knives, like sheep to the slaughter, lemmings following each other off a cliff.

Yea get rid of your guns while the refugees pour in, then you will all be safe. LMFAO so, so very stupid!



It's not comfortable to think about, but the Islamic extremist terrorist killed less people because he used a gun and not a bomb, and he had a permit, so what good will any new gun laws do to prevent death from terrorist attacks?

168 Dead from a truck bomb and this was a rebar reinforced hard concrete building, not a cinder block trap with the fire exits chained shut.



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Would gun control have saved any of there people?





It's not a gun problem, melting every gun into boat anchors will not stop this. This was a small poorly made low order bomb, this could have been MUCH MUCH bigger.



Were any guns used here?





Gun laws will not stop this.



We are under attack from terrorist, not law abiding gun owners, laws that only affect law abiding gun owners is not a solution, it may actually prevent someone from saving their family, meanwhile Obama is letting in more Syrian refugees at an increases rate while we chase our tails with stupid gun laws that will not stop terrorist from killing us.




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You don't have a Constitutional right to drive a car, it's a privilege.

You do have a Constitutional right to own a gun.

Registration is confiscation, I WILL NOT REGISTER.....EVER!!!!!!!


If that Islamic extremist Muslim terrorist who murdered at the PULSE could not easily get a gun he likely would have built a bomb, it's easy to build a bomb I am told and a bomb in that 1 door fire trap would have killed more than 1/6 of the 300 patrons I would bet.

So ask yourself, are you buying the bullshit Obama is selling?
Do you believe gun laws will affect anyone but law abiding people.
Would the PULSE have less dead bodies if a bomb went off.

While we are talking about this the flow of Syrian refugees has been increased in the last couple days, something that could make us safer has not been done, the polar opposite has been done.

Expect to see more Islamic extremist terrorist attacks, be prepared to defend your family because the police and government can't help you, or you can turn in your guns and all hold hands and sing kum by yah while the terrorist cut you up with kitchen knives, like sheep to the slaughter, lemmings following each other off a cliff.

Yea get rid of your guns while the refugees pour in, then you will all be safe. LMFAO so, so very stupid!


It's not comfortable to think about, but the Islamic extremist terrorist killed less people because he used a gun and not a bomb, and he had a permit, so what good will any new gun laws do to prevent death from terrorist attacks?

168 Dead from a truck bomb and this was a rebar reinforced hard concrete building, not a cinder block trap with the fire exits chained shut.



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Would gun control have saved any of there people?




It's not a gun problem, melting every gun into boat anchors will not stop this. This was a small poorly made low order bomb, this could have been MUCH MUCH bigger.


Were any guns used here?




Gun laws will not stop this.



We are under attack from terrorist, not law abiding gun owners, laws that only affect law abiding gun owners is not a solution, it may actually prevent someone from saving their family, meanwhile Obama is letting in more Syrian refugees at an increases rate while we chase our tails with stupid gun laws that will not stop terrorist from killing us.
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Well said. We're at war with an ideology set on world domination. No different than modern day Nazi's in a sense. The only difference is they lack the means to wage open war against countries. Instead they infiltrate and conduct terror attacks against the host country.
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The only reason I prefer to register my guns is in the case they get stolen. Each one is unique and would solely be mine until I sell it or gift it to another.
I could live with a safety test given by the gun dealer and would welcome it. I know much more about lasers than guns. I would take a course before I bought an automatic. I'm only familiar with a Winchester lever action rifle and revolvers.
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I think Canadian gun laws have a pretty good meaning going for themselves. Here, you have to obtain a gun license which I believe is a similar process as obtaining a drivers license. I believe you also have to wait a certain amount of time after you get your license before purchasing your own gun. Not quite sure exactly how the system works as I've never gone through with getting a gun license, but it's something along those lines IIRC.
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The following is a transcription of the first 10 amendments to the United States Constitution. Called the "Bill of Rights", these amendments were ratified on December 15, 1791.


I.Freedom of Speech, Press, Religion and Petition

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.



II.Right to keep and bear arms

A well-regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed.




III.Conditions for quarters of soldiers

No soldier shall, in time of peace be quartered in any house, without the consent of the owner, nor in time of war, but in a manner to be prescribed by law.



IV.Right of search and seizure regulated

The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.



V.Provisons concerning prosecution

No person shall be held to answer for a capital, or otherwise infamous crime, unless on a presentment or indictment of a Grand Jury, except in cases arising in the land or naval forces, or in the militia, when in actual service in time of war or public danger; nor shall any person be subject for the same offense to be twice put in jeopardy of life or limb; nor shall be compelled in any criminal case to be a witness against himself, nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor shall private property be taken for public use without just compensation.



VI.Right to a speedy trial, witnesses, etc.

In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the assistance of counsel for his defense.



VII.Right to a trial by jury

In suits at common law, where the value in controversy shall exceed twenty dollars, the right of trial by jury shall be preserved, and no fact tried by a jury shall be otherwise reexamined in any court of the United States, than according to the rules of the common law.



VIII.Excessive bail, cruel punishment

Excessive bail shall not be required, nor excessive fines imposed, nor cruel and unusual punishments inflicted.



IX.Rule of construction of Constitution

The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights, shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people.



X.Rights of the States under Constitution

The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or to the people.

The Supreme court ruled that the 2nd amendment guarantees the individual citizen the right to keep and bear arms.
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Both the written and physical driving tests in the US are pointless. I wish more cops would do something about people doing more than 5 over, cruising in the left lane, tailgating/cutting people off, not using turn signals and running red lights/stop signs. That's one of the biggest things I miss about living in Germany.
Oh yes, german traffic has to be orderly as well, and it works so well that even today some highways do not have speed limits.

I live in the netherlands myself but sometimes drive in germany. Even with dutch traffic being fairly orderly the germans are better at it.

One thing dutch drivers do a lot more than german ones is cling to the left lanes. Since we do have speed limits that makes a bit of sense - if you are already a bit over the speed limit there really should be no reason for people to want to overtake you. Personally i move over to the right lane whenever possible even if already exceeding the speed limit by quite a bit, since it's so little effort to let someone pass in most cases.

Stop signs are fairly rare around there, and junctions with stop signs on all 4 incoming roads are almost non-existent. There is no need to stop when there is no other traffic, and on equal junctions just yield to cars coming from the right - simple.

I only wish we had gun legislation that worked like that - a safety exam that isn't trivial to get you a gun license. The focus should be on safety though, not on markmenship. In a self defense scenario you're likely to shoot someone at pretty close range, perhaps 5 meters or so when it's an indoor situation (home invasion or such).

This is vastly different from what is required of law enforcement where they have to reliably shoot people at much greater distances.
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There were a number of traffic studies done in the US, done by the DOT (department of transportation[traffic is more like it]) and they all bore out the same result.

Basically that the speed limits in place throughout most of the US are far too low. Also that people will generally drive at a speed at which they feel safe, and lastly, that most accidents occur at lower speeds.

I don't see the laws being changed in the US anytime soon to make more sense because the speed limits act as fundraisers for local police departments. Whenever they have a budget shortfall they just start ticketing people more, and EVERYONE speeds here.
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There were a number of traffic studies done in the US, done by the DOT (department of transportation[traffic is more like it]) and they all bore out the same result.

Basically that the speed limits in place throughout most of the US are far too low. Also that people will generally drive at a speed at which they feel safe, and lastly, that most accidents occur at lower speeds.

I don't see the laws being changed in the US anytime soon to make more sense because the speed limits act as fundraisers for local police departments. Whenever they have a budget shortfall they just start ticketing people more, and EVERYONE speeds here.
The speed limits are set for the worst drivers of society. While an able-bodied adult with good reflexes and vision might be able to handle going 40 in an area, the 80 year old with bad vision and a delay on his reflexes can probably only handle 30. Hence why they set the area as a 30 speed limit which seems ridiculously slow to most normal people. Perhaps a better plan would be to simply make it harder to get a license and then raise the limits. IDK.
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Now they want to gear our Constitutional right to keep and bear arms to the lowest common denominator, that is a biologically human Islamic extremist terrorist.

I refuse to be punished for the acts of a few maniacs/brainwashed zealots.

Next we will be punished for what we speak, for the good of the children of course........that's the tyrants cover all phrase, " For the good of the children. "

p.s. People in Georgia drive 85 on the highway and are aggressive, Alaskan visited, he knows. But really we should raise the speed limits, but like you say, it's a multi billion dollar cash cow, so metro is finally regulated by electronic signs, they bumped us up to 65 during light traffic and down to as low as 25 on the interstate when heavy traffic, and it's 70 once out of the city limits, but for a long time it was 55 and 99% of drivers did not obey.

Unconstitutional gun laws won't be obeyed by many either. Actually it's our duty to disobey unconstitutional laws. Civil disobedience is part of who we are, because it is the peoples country, not our governments.

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Just have to say RedC your post #1426 by far has put responsible gun ownership in the right
I have a Finish friend who had told me the the extreme drivers license test they have in Finland but really didn't comprehend it till I saw a documentary on it. I'm talking driving backwards and having to spin out and change the cars course of direction on an iced road situation.
Driving courtesy does not exist or better yet is extinct in Fall River Ma were I live most of the time.
To make things worse there is and intersection near by and a big part of my routes that has the 2 of the top 5 worst collision rates in the US as Iv'e been told a few times. "I have never researched it but tend to believe.
I find it here that the woman drivers are the ones that will give you the "finger" and threaten to fight you more than the men. Also they drive faster and tend to stop faster because of it. Which leads to more car repairs such as brakes and tire wear. I also think its because they don't realize the limits of what a car can and can't do.
Now when I drive to my home town near Boston its a whole new courteous world, which can be refreshing
I have seen so many accidents because drivers truly believe the other will stop simply because they have a stop sign. Like Razko said the elderly should really realize that maby its time not to drive any more. Its not that simple but family should get involved and do what might be needed.

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They should just require a driving and vision test when renewing above a certain age, maybe 70? When I took my mother in to renew the last time, she had to forfeit the DL and change to a state ID card. She hasn't driven in at least 10 years now and was getting bad the last couple of years. Here in Washington state you can renew online, but if you're over 70 you have to go in person to renew, even for just a state ID. My mother will be 92 later this year. I have a friend who is 84 and he still drives good, but he doesn't feel comfortable driving on the freeway or at night so he doesn't.

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It's not the guns we need to put a stop on its the Muslims. Over the last few years I've been very slowly shifting my views from left towards centre (because being a liberal gets fuck all done in the real world), and what happened at pulse was a wake up call and a half. It has even shifted and cemented my views on what the UK should do in three days - LEAVE the EU.

The fact that the media, the American government and god knows who else, still values the feelings of Muslims over LGBT lives disgusts me and makes me ashamed to have once called myself liberal.

The sooner people start calling a spade a spade, the better. Western society cannot integrate with one that seeks to destroy its values and eliminate it. Keep your guns, and keep one locked and loaded for me.

there are several news articles now that I have read, where LGBT people not unlike myself, frightened by recent events have dramatically changed their political stance, in some cases to Trump! More and more people are realising that we need to quell this religious madness.
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There were a number of traffic studies done in the US, done by the DOT (department of transportation[traffic is more like it]) and they all bore out the same result.

Basically that the speed limits in place throughout most of the US are far too low. Also that people will generally drive at a speed at which they feel safe, and lastly, that most accidents occur at lower speeds.

I don't see the laws being changed in the US anytime soon to make more sense because the speed limits act as fundraisers for local police departments. Whenever they have a budget shortfall they just start ticketing people more, and EVERYONE speeds here.
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The speed limits are set for the worst drivers of society. While an able-bodied adult with good reflexes and vision might be able to handle going 40 in an area, the 80 year old with bad vision and a delay on his reflexes can probably only handle 30. Hence why they set the area as a 30 speed limit which seems ridiculously slow to most normal people. Perhaps a better plan would be to simply make it harder to get a license and then raise the limits. IDK.
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Now they want to gear our Constitutional right to keep and bear arms to the lowest common denominator, that is a biologically human Islamic extremist terrorist.

I refuse to be punished for the acts of a few maniacs/brainwashed zealots.

Next we will be punished for what we speak, for the good of the children of course........that's the tyrants cover all phrase, " For the good of the children. "

p.s. People in Georgia drive 85 on the highway and are aggressive, Alaskan visited, he knows. But really we should raise the speed limits, but like you say, it's a multi billion dollar cash cow, so metro is finally regulated by electronic signs, they bumped us up to 65 during light traffic and down to as low as 25 on the interstate when heavy traffic, and it's 70 once out of the city limits, but for a long time it was 55 and 99% of drivers did not obey.

Unconstitutional gun laws won't be obeyed by many either. Actually it's our duty to disobey unconstitutional laws. Civil disobedience is part of who we are, because it is the peoples country, not our governments.

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I would not trust 50% or more of the US drivers if they increased the speed limits. They need to learn basic driving such as using signals, staying out of the left lane unless passing and many other things first. I was doing 60 in moderate rain in a 70 zone. Some ass hole in a lifted pickup was tailgating me flashing his lights. Plus they need to learn how to properly maintain and build roads. The pot holes, bumps, cracks and all that other crap will cause serious problems. If they properly maintain roads and drivers were required to do training similar to what Germans do, then I'd be fine with increasing the speed limits. What cracks me up is people complaining about gas prices yet they speed in their vehicles that already get horrible gas mileage.

US drivers are far from the worst though. I've been to Doha and Abu Dhabi. They scared the crap out of me.
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@Trenchel303 - While Islam is at the forefront of the problem, religion should be blamed. For the most part, other religions do tend to integrate better, but not all, and this kind of crap will keep happening so long as people keep wanting to stick to the safety blankets of their respective fairy tales, whether those be islamic, judaic, christian, buddhist, or something else.

US drivers are fine compared to female asian drivers. I have long since stopped trusting people to turn when they slow down and have turn signal on, and also stopped trusting people to stop at stop signs.

I realize this is kind of anecdotal, but in NJ, the most dangerous drivers are soccer moms in minivans. In Brooklyn, it's hasidic jews.
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