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if an AR-15 can be used to assault large crowds of people, killing and maiming scores of them, on multiple occasions, it qualifies as an assault weapon.

How the hell do these people have a job writing? A CAR could be used to assault large crowds of people.
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With Islamic extremism terrorist attacks breaking out all over this is not the time for BS gun control, this is when every American who is able needs to prepare to do what the police can't.

Hell some of the dead patrons at " The Pulse " were shot by the cops outside firing at the terrorist.

Those cops didn't want to walk into that, you just know they were talking about the likelihood that much of the already spilled blood was tainted with aids, yes it dies when it cools, but if that was a daycare center and not a gay bar the swat team would have gone in.

But they never did until after the terrorist came out the back shooting, the terrorist had to go out in a blaze because they would not come in to get him and unlike a citizens home they could not burn the building down.

Now they want to distract us from the fact our government has been arming the terrorist, releasing the terrorist from Gitmo, giving them billions and real weapons of war. Hell we are selling weapons of war to Vietnam and Cuba and allowing a nuclear Iran. YES A NUCLEAR IRAN ! with 150 BILLION dollar gift no less.

Oh and we are bringing in Syrian refugees, young men of fighting age with ISIS cellphones no less at an accelerated rate.

What good is a rifle against a mine resistant ambush protected truck?
If we are not on a terrorist list can we have real weapons of war?

This is a bunch of bullshit, we are acting like rats in a cage eating the cheese they give us, we should have rebuilt our government long before now, but half our citizens are idiots, and most of the rest wont get off their asses, it's sickening.

Everyone should go out tomorrow and buy guns, make a statement, hell you don't even have to buy any bullets, just stand up for your right to be able to stand up.
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I embrace the term "Assault Rifle". So what, the AR-15 is an assault rifle. Yes, I know exactly many gun folks claim an assault rifle is; that it has to be select-fire/full auto to qualify, etc. You can call it a flesh-shredder for all I care, and the bottom line is the 2nd Amendment guarantees my right to own one or more! I hate arguments based on semantics.

And, before someone tries to school me on what an "assault rifle" is, don't bother. I've built AR's; I own a registered machine gun so I know the difference between semi-auto and full-auto, and I know that "Sturmgewehr" is roughly translated to mean "Storm Rifle", not "Assault Rifle".

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Hell some of the dead patrons at " The Pulse " were shot by the cops outside firing at the terrorist.
I know there's been speculation about this. I haven't heard that this has been confirmed. Has it been confirmed?

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I know there's been speculation about this. I haven't heard that this has been confirmed. Has it been confirmed?
It cannot be confirmed until forensics examination is complete, but it's a very simple matter to differentiate between the bullets used by the cops and the shooter.

I think RC is right... had it been a small home, or school, swat would have gone in there immediately. Just another indicator that cops are not there to protect us at all.

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Meanwhile, now, schools are drug, speech, and gun free zones. Sometimes with one cop stationed at the school.

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if an AR-15 can be used to assault large crowds of people, killing and maiming scores of them, on multiple occasions, it qualifies as an assault weapon.

How the hell do these people have a job writing? A CAR could be used to assault large crowds of people.
And it's not unheard of for cars to be used like that either. A couple if years ago some idiot tried to drive his car into a bus carrying the royal family on a tour. None of the royalty were hurt, but he managed to kill 8 civilians in the process, and was 'stopped' by crashing into a stone obelisk resulting in his death.

I don't think AR15's are particularly dangerous weapons. Surely they have firepower, but they are impractially large to conceal in most cases. And if someone intends to do a mass shooting they will not give a rats ass about the weapon being legal or not. Surely there are fully automatic weapons that are easier to conceal like the Skorpion that fires 20 rounds in fully automatic mode and easily fits the glove box.
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The Pulse was a trap, 300+ people and only 1 way in or out, crashing a car with a full gas tank into the front door could have killed more people.

The fire exits should not have been chained shut, that is a major factor in the high number of dead.
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Keep seeing posts on Facebook from people back home talking about the need for tighter gun control. Just this week an MP was shot and killed in England - UK gun control laws didn't really help there did it?

If someone wants to get a gun and kill a bunch of people no number of laws will stop them. Just as prohibition didn't stop people drinking in the 20s and prohibition doesn't stop people buying drugs now. It's especially true in the States where there are more guns than people.

Guns aren't the issue - people are. Hell, there was a mass stabbing in China a few years back with similar numbers of fatalities/casualties to Orlando. If someone wants to go kill a bunch of people there isn't much stopping them.

Guns are fairly easy to obtain in Canada, just need to pass a firearms safety course (1-2 day course, fairly easy to pass, have passed it myself) and apply for a license, but there are rarely mass shooting here. Guns clearly aren't the issue. Hell, Canadian tire sells a whole range of hunting rifles and shotguns. A firearms safety course before being able to purchase is a good idea though - would prevent some of the accidents you see down in the States.

TL;DR: Gun control won't help, people (extremists, nutjobs, whatever) are the problem.
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Canadians get screwed all the time, they have 3000 dollars in a G3 and suddenly the RCMP decides it's banned after years of ownership they have to turn it in with no reimbursement.

ONCE YOU REGISTER IT, IT'S NOT YOURS ANYMORE !!!!!

If you are not allowed to sell it without permission, are in big trouble if it gets stolen or lost, and have to turn it in at a moments notice then it's not yours, you are just being allowed to hold it.
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Canadians get screwed all the time, they have 3000 dollars in a G3 and suddenly the RCMP decides it's banned after years of ownership they have to turn it in with no reimbursement.

ONCE YOU REGISTER IT, IT'S NOT YOURS ANYMORE !!!!!

If you are not allowed to sell it without permission, are in big trouble if it gets stolen or lost, and have to turn it in at a moments notice then it's not yours, you are just being allowed to hold it.

Oh yeah, definitely tighter here than in the states, but still easy to access a firearm if you want to. All you need is ~$1000 ($250 [IIRC] for the course/test[which is sometimes free, I got it free], $750 for a decent rifle and some ammo) and some free time.

Might be forgetting the laws - but as far as I know you can sell a firearm/ammunition privately as long as the buyer has the correct PAL (Possession and Acquisition License) for whatever firearm is being sold. I've seen several rifles for sale on various classifieds pages for the city.

Also - there have been several robberies here in the last couple of years where firearms were stolen, haven't heard of any charges against the owners. Assuming they met the minimum requirements for firearm storage I don't see how they could be charged really. That said, been a few years since I took the safety test so I may be rusty on that.

But yes, RCMP could probably round up most firearms easily - I doubt it'd go down so well in the States if the cops tried...

It is terrible that the events in Orlando have been turned into a political issue, and so soon too.
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It won't go down here worth a dam.

People in Connecticut are refusing to comply.

People in Colorado had a recall vote and threw the lawmaker out of office.

People in California must enjoy licking boot, because they are.

People in the South East are ready to fight, we are going to see a nation further divided over this in time.
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I agree with you there. I hope this brings changes to the way clubs, canteens or restaurants are laid out. You are trapped if you run into the bathrooms. These should have alarmed fire doors. One way locks, you can exit but need a key to get back in. A lot of these clubs are crowded over the fire marshal capacity. I was in one when some Jack wagon thew fire crackers onto the dancefloor. Not pretty.
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Guns are fairly easy to obtain in Canada, just need to pass a firearms safety course (1-2 day course, fairly easy to pass, have passed it myself) and apply for a license, ...
I agree this is a good idea in general, just like having to get a drivers license before getting on public roads in a car where you could do a lot of damage if you have no clue what you are doing.

Just a quick test to demonstrate that you know how to load and operate the gun, and more importantly know how to remove any chambered rounds and engage the safety for guns that have that.

I suppose that many of the gun incidents where little kids shoot their siblings and such are actually a big failure on the part of the parents. They fail to keep the gun out of the kids hands in the first place. They also leave the guns around with a chambered round and the safety off.

For guns that don't have a seperate safety lever you should be especially careful not to leave them with a round in the chamber. As long as you do that it takes at least 1 and usually 2 fairly complex things to do before a gun will fire when you pull the trigger.

And it is somewhat comparable to cars too: if you have an automatic, don't leave the keys it in drive with the keys in the ignition. If you leave it in park, it will take 2 actions to accidentily make the car go. If you have a manual you can leave the keys in there as long as it is in neutral - operating the clutch while shifting gears is not someting one does by accident.
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The Pulse was a trap, 300+ people and only 1 way in or out, crashing a car with a full gas tank into the front door could have killed more people.

The fire exits should not have been chained shut, that is a major factor in the high number of dead.
Why was the backdoor chained shut? I feel like somebody is gonna lose their ass in a lawsuit over that. The deaths probably would have been cut in half if the escapes hadn't been chained shut.
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^^ if that is actually true the club should be in trouble.

Regardless of the shooting, blocked emergency exits can and have resulted in preventabe casualties in case of actual fires.
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