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As expected, the recent tragedy in Orlando, the murder of 50 people in a nightclub, by a religious zealot, is again forcing the issue of gun control to the forefront.

Pretty much everyone can agree, in hindsight, that this man should not have had access to guns. Yet what more could have been done to prevent it?

He went through not one, but two background checks, and I believe even questioned by FBI prior to the events of this past weekend.

The unfortunate sad truth is there is no way to screen for the extreme actions people can and will commit. There is no test, questionnaire, or psychological exam which would have perfect accuracy.

Interestingly, the per capita murder rates in countries that have gotten rid of guns, have also remained mostly unchanged, and have not seen any kind of dramatic declines.

Personally I feel that more effort should be placed on making mental health (and health in general) services available to everyone. Any kind of hate, to the point where it drives one to commit murder, is at that point a mental disease.




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I'm not content to build ghost guns, sight them in and plant them in burial tubes, no we must take this head on, the good people are going to have to be the squeaky wheel.

We are going to have to get in the road and make some noise to keep our rights as this moves ahead, and it will be pushed ahead if we let it, if not by Hilary then by Trumps successor.

Watch a WWII documentary about the holocaust, I will NOT be empty handed when the devil comes for me, and I am not going to bury my right to defend myself and my family.

Why would millions of legal peaceful gun owners allow themselves to be made victims when the same liberals looking to disarm honest citizens would stick their asses in the air and cry have anything you want for one armed terrorist?

Now I am NOT advocating that gun owners get violent, but we had better get loud when the next " crime bill " gets rammed down our throats, because it's not the law abiding gun owners who commit the crimes, but we had dam well better learn to put our foot down while we can still back it up, otherwise it's going to be a lot harder later and good people will suffer.

These radical extremist terrorist are not going away and we should be up arming, not disarming. How hard is that to understand liberal America?

Why do you think the terrorist use bombs and not guns to attack public places in Israel?
Because if a terrorist in Israel starts shooting then people all over will shoot back.
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I'd compare this attack to the one on the night club in Paris.

France, like most of europe, has laws that make it virtually impossible for citizens to legally carry guns in public, concealed or open.

It seems this does very little against illegal gun ownership by both 'regular' criminals and terrorists, as is proved by the paris attacks as well as regular gang/mob wars that are fought with AK47's and similar gear.

In these cases it would actually help if a larger percentage of the population carried firearms - somone could have shot the mad gunmen at some point saving other lives.

Living in europe myself, where guns are outlawed and many outlaws have guns, i find this frustrating. In the US such problems are more or less created by things like weapon-free campusses and such, where mad gunmen can shoot around freely with zero risk of someone returning fire.

Walk into a campus with a machine gun and you can kill as many people as ammo permits, try that at a texas funfare and you'd probably be shot dead by a member of public before you kill a dozen.

The only downside i see to citizens owning firearms are accidental shootings, sometimes by kids, sometimes as crimes of passion where people aren't thinking straight (no pun intended). In the latter case things like chefs knives, skillets etc are quite popular alternatives in gun-free countries.

When it comes to kids and accidents: be careful what they get their hands on. It's not unheard of for kids to nick car keys and run over their little sister by accident either.
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We have something like 40,000 highway deaths a year, but we are not going to scrap our cars and walk to work.

BUT LETS MAKE DRIVING SAFER

We could lower the speed limit to 35 on the interstate......it would save some lives.

People are missing the point, if the bartender had a shotgun he may have saved a lot of people, but he never had the chance to.

If it happens 100 more times and in 50 of those shootings the bartender has a shotgun under the bar and in 50 he has no shotgun......... The math is simple, I want an armed bartender, I want a fighting chance.
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Well, such things have been researched. In the netherlands we have about 600 traffic deaths a year (on a population of 17 million), down from well over 1000 about 15 years ago with a population of 15 million.

The speed limit on highways was recently increased from 120 to 130 km/h, and it turns out very few people actually die in highway traffic. You should notice that highways here -all- have crash barriers, are banned from use by pedestrians, cyclists etc, and have no intersections (changes between them are always done by cloverleafs) which is a bit different from some US interstates.

One interesting thing is that over half of the people killed in traffic are not driving cars or motorcycles. Some of them are pedestrians and cyclists getting hit by cars (often due to running red lights, cycing ont he wrong side of the road and such), and even a fair numer don't involve moving cars at all: pedestrians ran over by mopeds, mopeds running into parked vehicles, street signs etc, and even people on bicycles colliding with eachother.

End of story: to minimize the risk of YOU getting killed in traffic, drive a car, preferably sober.
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Look out for another Clinton in office hope not .. 4 years of more gun control laws and we have many on the books now. Different crap same smell..
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Here's the bottom line. I love my freedoms - all of them. I am not willing to give up one ounce of freedom, including my right to own firearms, in exchange for "protection" offered by government cops. I don't care how many terrorists our government allows in to murder and kill our citizens, I will not advocate for more gun control. Gun control is people control by a scared government. The people the government want to control are normal law abiding citizens. All government agencies already know they can't do anything about someone bent on random murder other than investigate it after the fact.
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Correct Skans, gun laws only affect law abiding citizens, not the criminals, and after hearing gun control, gun control and ban ban ban for the last couple of days on the news I had to go buy another AR to bring my temperature down.

This S&W M&P 15 II is popular and has good reviews, I like piston uppers but this DI is supposed to be very reliable, I always search for problems when buying a new model and I can't find any other than they switched from melonite to a proprietary coating and that's no problem.

It has a 1 in 9 twist so it can stabilize 55 and 62 grain bullets and it has a magpul flip up rear sight, that's cool because I will put a holo sight on too.

I got a coupon from a very big outdoor store I buy from and couldn't pass it up, on sale with the coupon for 499.00 down from 749.00.

I will sight it in later this week, but the trigger feels great, much better than some it has zero take up, zero over travel and a super short reset, this will be a fun tin can shredder.

The guy at the counter was carrying out 5 boxes at a time stacking them up and people were lined up when they opened at 10am, he said it's been insanely busy and these are a top seller. Many buyers and that's good because we have strength in our numbers and I vote with my dollars.
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RedCowboy, looks like you made a good purchase with a new M&P AR. AR's are meant to be DI - all of that other junk just complicates and slows down the action. I already have 3 AR's. So, instead of another one, I "panic-bought" a binary trigger system instead - permits the AR to fire on the pull and release of the trigger effectively turning it into a semi-auto and selectable 2-shot burst gun. I figure that and drums will be first up on the next ban list. We'll see how it works when I receiver it.

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If we get a crime bill type infringement I want to fight it, not profit on it.

I want everyone to fight it, because if we get Bitch and lose the supreme court it will only be the start of something ugly, we are going to have to get loud straight away at the first hint of infringement because this won't be like before, we had better push back hard, as hard as needed from the start.

Remember they have changed what makes a person a dealer, like 2 sales a year and we are going to be held accountable for the buyers actions.

This won't be like before and I hope she tries to grab too much too fast, we need a fire lit under our asses, we need to show that bitch our teeth, because hers may be big and nasty, but we have a hell of a lot more of them.

When the bitch barks we had better chew her rancid ass off and send her running away knowing that that our pack is too big and united to mess with, at all, what so ever....or else we will be nibbled to death.
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Funny how she's still haunting us on capital hill. Come on she's crooked as the letter Z...

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RedCowboy, I couldn't agree with you more. This election will be a referendum on our Freedom. It will be true Freedom vs. the panacea of government-promised Safety.

Oh, and don't think for a second that Hillary and Co. will let anyone outside of a university professor or government agent own an evil assault- Laser greater than 5mw!

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I'm afraid some change is inevitable. The problem stems from the majority of people who simply want to see "change".

Doesn't matter that the change is nonsensical.

And a ban on laser pointers is already somewhat in effect... it is illegal to sell any laser over 5mW, and regulations for a laser show are also quite strict. Regulations for pointing a laser up into the air even more so. There just isn't much incentive for cops/fbi to go after laser owners so long as they don't cause trouble though, not to mention that relative to other common crimes, we're very few.
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And here we go... Breaking: Democrats Halt The Senate, Launch Filibuster For Gun Control - Page 2 of 2

And of course it's a an NJ senator, who happens to be from a state that ALREADY has ridiculous gun control measures in place, and where a woman literally died after waiting for months and months for her local police department to decide whether to permit her to own a handgun. In her case she even had a specific threat that she wanted the gun in response to. Where were the cops when she was killed? As usual, not there.

There are also now a lot of details floating around that some of those shot in the club were shot by cops, which I find to be very highly credible, and some that say there may have been more than one shooter, which I find less credible.
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I'm afraid some change is inevitable. The problem stems from the majority of people who simply want to see "change".

Doesn't matter that the change is nonsensical.


And a ban on laser pointers is already somewhat in effect... it is illegal to sell any laser over 5mW, and regulations for a laser show are also quite strict. Regulations for pointing a laser up into the air even more so. There just isn't much incentive for cops/fbi to go after laser owners so long as they don't cause trouble though, not to mention that relative to other common crimes, we're very few.
That's what enrages me the most. They literally don't even care if the change is logical or would make a noticeable difference in the amount of people killed by guns. They just want SOME kind of change because they're mad about 50 people getting gunned down. They never stop to think "Oh, if we ban the AR15 maybe these nuts will just make bombs or something". They just put their fingers in their ears like children and shout "50 PEOPLE JUST DIED, WE DEMAND CHANGE!" The reason the AR15 is used in these high profile killings is because of convenience. Banning the AR15 won't stop the killings. It will just force the killers to get a little more creative.

Guns bans actually make even less sense than laser bans IMO. Completely banning lasers probably would reduce the amount of pilots targeted.(Although the actual harm has seemed pretty negligible so far). Even if we found a way to completely remove 99% of the guns from our society, it wouldn't stop violence and murder. People would just get stabbed, rather than shot in disputes. People would just take pills or jump off buildings to kill themselves. Deranged psychos and Islamic terrorists would just use bombs, chemicals or other ways to kill. What a total gun ban WOULD DO, is leave us completely dependent upon the state for security, and at the mercy of bad guys.

Unfortunately, I expect to see some forms of gun control come in the next 4-8 years, unless Trump wins by some miracle. That's unlikely though, as I'm halfway convinced he's some kind of 'plant' trying to throw the election and hand Hillary the presidency. People say "well nothing happened after Sandy Hook", but this time it's different. The next president is likely to get 2-3 scotus nominations, and Hillary isn't likely to appoint people who respect the 2A.
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As we've seen in europe outlawing guns is not very effective in preventing mass shootings, neither by individual madmen nor by islamic terrorists.

One thing lawmakers should consider is how much of a threat the punishment for breaking the ban actually is. In the netherlands where guns are banned, a typical penalty for simple homicide or an armed robbery turned into murder would be 12 to 18 years imprisonment.

While the maximum penalty for owning an illegal firearm is 4 years or so, the practical one is 6 months, sometimes provisional plus a fine.

Would it make sense for some criminal that is about to commit a crime landing him in prison for 15 years reconsider that because it could become 16 years because of the added charge of owning the firearm?

Or some terrorist that gets life in prison for a mass murder having to stay in his cell a year after he died or something like that?

It's nonsensical as it does not deter 'ordinary' criminals at all, let alone madmen or terrorists that don't really care about consequences or expect to be killed in a police shootout.

Banning something also doesn't make it that hard to obtain. Seriously, how difficult would it be for any of you to obtain a gram of cocaine?
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