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Seems like people wanna ban all my hobbies.

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lol. Tell me about it! Looks like we have pretty similar interests!
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Don't forget remote piloted drones.

Meanwhile everyday I read another dozen stories about abuse of power by cops, or some other form of government reps.
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Yea my popular science laying here has a guy from Montreal riding his self made multirotor. We cant just do stuff here anymore.

Meanwhile I have the capital hill hearings on c-span2 and they just have to put their hands into everything.

We are supposed to be a free people, do I want idiots in homemade flying cars crashing into my house, well no, but that person would be responsible.

If the government is going to tell us what to do then shouldn't they also pay for every time damage is done where someone doesn't?

Government want's control yet we pay for it all, that's wrong in every way.
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We're really not a free people at all and haven't been for a long time. Our government is nearly completely taken over by big $$ special interests. Our legislators basically live in a bubble and have no idea what normal people need to deal with.

We're the free country with the biggest prison population in the world. More so than 'unfree' countries such as china with 4x our population. Private prisons make big money warehousing our citizens and prison labor is used to make goods which are then sold. Modern day slavery in a nutshell. A huge amount of our prisoners are incarcerated for nonviolent drug crimes.

We have one of the highest amounts of citizens killed by law enforcement in the world.(Maybe the highest). Police shooting unarmed citizens left and right for pulling their pants up and stuff like that. Very little, if any accountability for these cases.

SWAT can kick in your door in the middle of the night with impunity over the suspicion that you were growing an illogically prohibited plant in your house. They'll shoot your pets and hold your family at gunpoint while ransacking everything looking for the demon weed. If they got bad intel and raided the wrong house they don't personally pay for it. The city does. If they do find a grow they'll try to take everything from the owner in the name of civil forfeiture. Gotta prove you didn't buy everything you own with drug money.
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The war on (People who use certain)drugs has more or less turned our forth amendment rights into used toilet paper.

https://libertyblitzkrieg.com/2013/0...-tenaha-texas/
We have towns were the cops are basically highway bandits with badges who rob passerby.

We have a government that's actively trying to spy on our people in the name of preventing terror. Now they wanna force tech companies to lower their encryption standards so the government can get in. Guess what? Hackers can do if they do that.
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The gun grabbers are actively on the move and won't rest until our 2nd amendment has been decimated like the fourth. Reasonable restrictions? Ammo taxes? Registration? Confiscation of assault weapons(Despite the fact that they're used in a very insignificant amount of crimes)? Where does it end? The 2nd says "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED", and yet there are states like NY/Cali/MD/CT etc where gun rights are in the toilet.

These are the people who want to crush and strangle the life out of our rights one by one. If they get everything they want we'll all be left unarmed, driving our govt mandated fuel efficient cars, and not be able to do anything in our free time other than watch reality TV and play video games. Any hobbies with the potential to be dangerous shall be banned. Just look at the recent democratic debate. Half of the discussion was Hillary attacking Bernie for not being anti-gun enough. They wanna make gun sellers financially liable when their products are misused. Makes about as much sense as suing ford because somebody got drunk and drove their mustang into a school bus. If they make this reality they won't even need to ban guns. There won't be a company out there willing to produce guns for the public.
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It really comes down to a question of transparency and double standards. We now have none of the former, and all of the latter.

Cops, literally investigating themselves. Auditors submit findings to the auditees for approval.

Oh and of course politicians investigating themselves without end, to find that no one is to blame or it would be impractical for some BS to hold anyone accountable.
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It really comes down to a question of transparency and double standards. We now have none of the former, and all of the latter.

Cops, literally investigating themselves. Auditors submit findings to the auditees for approval.

Oh and of course politicians investigating themselves without end, to find that no one is to blame or it would be impractical for some BS to hold anyone accountable.
Right on. Accountability is severely lacking at all levels.

Big banks sink our financial system? Bailout and nobody goes to prison.

Cops shoot unarmed person? They investigate and clear themselves of wrong doing.
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This last one is the most visible and ridiculous.

Unless it's on video a cop is NEVER at fault.

Even when it is on video they still try to cover for each other without end.

Clear evidence of wrongdoing? If it's a cop the cases don't go anywhere. The prosecutors who are part of the system straight up refuse to file charges, or use a closed grand jury session to justify not charging cops.

Only in very rare instances are cops held to account if there is a massive public outcry, and even then they often face little consequence as compared to anyone without a badge.

Eric Garner case, Kelly Thomas case. Not one cop in prison in either one, and the standby response from cops is "one bad apple", or "not my department", but it's a systemic issue. The whole barrel is rotten and needs to be tossed out.

If we can't trust literally the most visible element of our government, that is meant to protect and serve (the public, not themselves) how can we be expected to have any faith in the rest of the system?
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I super agree. Airguns are just as enjoyable as firearms IMO. Much cheaper to shoot, safer, the same ballistic challenges as firearms, and useful for hunting aswell. I own this airgun

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I've taken many squirrels and bunnies with this rifle, it's great within 35 yards and the risk of damaging anything beyond the target is far less than typical firearms. You want to use exactly as much power as you need and no more.
That air rifle is about $100 more than a Ruger 10/22! Otherwise, I have been thinking of getting a good airgun, but the good ones cost more than a good .22 does. Ammo is quite a bit cheaper though--and you can actually BUY the ammo for an airgun. Not the case for .22s around here anymore, which is the reason I've been thinking about airguns lately.

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This last one is the most visible and ridiculous.

Unless it's on video a cop is NEVER at fault.

Even when it is on video they still try to cover for each other without end.

Clear evidence of wrongdoing? If it's a cop the cases don't go anywhere. The prosecutors who are part of the system straight up refuse to file charges, or use a closed grand jury session to justify not charging cops.

Only in very rare instances are cops held to account if there is a massive public outcry, and even then they often face little consequence as compared to anyone without a badge.

Eric Garner case, Kelly Thomas case. Not one cop in prison in either one, and the standby response from cops is "one bad apple", or "not my department", but it's a systemic issue. The whole barrel is rotten and needs to be tossed out.

If we can't trust literally the most visible element of our government, that is meant to protect and serve (the public, not themselves) how can we be expected to have any faith in the rest of the system?
I hear ya! Just recently in my area, cops shot 2 different people. One was because a guy came toward a cop with what the cop thought was a Taser. So he shot the guy with a gun and killed him. It was immediately ruled as justified because the cop "feared for his life". In any other case, someone who kills someone else who has anything other than an actual gun would be viewed as having an itchy trigger finger. But the cops get to do it.

OTOH, if a person is being physically attacked and is having his head beaten into the pavement repeatedly, and the assaulted person fires one shot in defense, then that person will be seen as guilty even if exonerated by the court. The fact that he claimed to be fearing for his life was looked down upon by people who come back with, "He just knows what legal words to say to get away with murder!"

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North Carolina Deputy Justified in Killing Man Asking for Search Warrant:

https://photographyisnotacrime.com/2...earch-warrant/

How crazy is that?

Same scenario but without badges, the men in question would have been charged with breaking and entering, and at least 2nd degree murder. Everyone there would have been charged as accomplices.

Instead since they had badges, the cop got paid leave for 5 months, and is cleared of all charges, won't even have a blemish on his criminal record.

Yet these same cops want respect and cooperation?

And there are many cases popping up now of cops, prosecutors, and even judges refusing to release footage of incidents. Which brings to light the absurdity of the system.

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Why would you buy it if you are only going to return it, it's not that much money, why not keep it and have some fun with it? You know Alex you don't seem to be satisfied with anything, I don't mean to be rude but I have to say that I would never sell you anything because you would decide there is something wrong with it and you would want to return it. It's underspec, it's overspec, it's the wrong color or you just don't like the way it looks. You cost businesses money and you are a drain on the economy, people like you drive up prices for the rest of us. This has to stop!

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People who steal are a drain on the economy, which we actually had a robbery at my store a couple days ago. I just bought myself a new phone(iPhone 6, about $599), bought myself a computer(HP Envy, about $599) & an Xbox(about $399) without even thinking about returning them, so stop it!

When it comes to my hobby I guess I just want everything to be perfect. I even mentioned I would stop stressing over lasers sometimes coming in under-spec since tons of factors affect how they operate, ok?

Stop it dude!

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You cost businesses money and you are a drain on the economy, people like you drive up prices for the rest of us. This has to stop!

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That cost is part of doing business, and of many businesses having moved away from brick & mortar stores to online stores.

Prices are actually lower now to consumers as a result, and on the whole it's a lot cheaper to process a return vs the overhead for running a store. Which is why Amazon for example is so successful.

I place on average 15 orders a month for random stuff, and probably one in 20 gets sent back for whatever reason. Usually because it's not as advertised, or there's some other issue. Most recent return is a wireless mouse. Works perfectly, but it lacks a feature that's crucial to me... an OFF switch. So it's going back. Should I feel guilty about that too?

As a businessman you can chose when to take an order or not too, and taking it sometimes a gamble. No reason to get so upset when it doesn't always work out.

(An unintended consequence of the internet is that we're no longer limited to the selection offered by local stores. 30 years ago, if it wasn't at your local hardware/electronic stores, you had to special order, or settle for something that would do locally. That's not the case anymore, but with more choice there is more complexity, on both sides of the equation. A good business factors in the cost of returns, and amazon for example often also just gives people a refund without a return required for cheap products. Of course there are some who abuse the systems, but most do not.)

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That cost is part of doing business, and of many businesses having moved away from brick & mortar stores to online stores.

Prices are actually lower now to consumers as a result, and on the whole it's a lot cheaper to process a return vs the overhead for running a store. Which is why Amazon for example is so successful.

I place on average 15 orders a month for random stuff, and probably one in 20 gets sent back for whatever reason. Usually because it's not as advertised, or there's some other issue. Most recent return is a wireless mouse. Works perfectly, but it lacks a feature that's crucial to me... an OFF switch. So it's going back. Should I feel guilty about that too?

As a businessman you can chose when to take an order or not too, and taking it sometimes a gamble. No reason to get so upset when it doesn't always work out.

(An unintended consequence of the internet is that we're no longer limited to the selection offered by local stores. 30 years ago, if it wasn't at your local hardware/electronic stores, you had to special order, or settle for something that would do locally. That's not the case anymore, but with more choice there is more complexity, on both sides of the equation. A good business factors in the cost of returns, and amazon for example often also just gives people a refund without a return required for cheap products. Of course there are some who abuse the systems, but most do not.)
Of course if there is something wrong with it or if it's not as advertised then it should be returned and you shouldn't feel guilty about it at all, I am just saying that some people abuse the ability to return stuff and it costs businesses money. It is amazing how the Internet has changed our shopping, I remember how things were back then, I don't know how we got by. I think Amazon if it remains well managed will become the worlds largest retailer.




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I'm kinda seeing both sides -

Big picture, it's business, if they advertise returns for no reason then they'd better uphold it.

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That air rifle is about $100 more than a Ruger 10/22! Otherwise, I have been thinking of getting a good airgun, but the good ones cost more than a good .22 does. Ammo is quite a bit cheaper though--and you can actually BUY the ammo for an airgun. Not the case for .22s around here anymore, which is the reason I've been thinking about airguns lately.
I've tried cheap airguns, you can't hold a decent group, and with the stupid high ammo costs now you'll make it up and then some after 1500 rounds. That one there is a great value for the price, and the accuracy is certainly there once you're used to shooting a springer.
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