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Old 02-04-2016, 04:47 AM #1297
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I worked with someone that intentionally threw firecrackers or some other form of small fireworks at a MP car on a military installation. Of course that didn't end well. He ended up being kicked out of the military for multiple reasons.
I remember back in the early 1980's I knew some guy that grew up on army bases because his parents were in the army, and he claimed that on one base were he lived a few years that he could steal ammo and he would go out when it was dark and he would put glue on the ammo and light the glue and then run away into some near by trees and wait for the flashing lights and sirens to show up.

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It's our constitutional right to keep and bear arms.

Any fool can buy a car without a background check and kill someone, any maniac can buy a can of gasoline and a book of matches.

Things that go boom are easy to construct from common materials. The Oklahoma City Bombing killed 168 people, 19 were young children and 100's more were injured, millions in damage was done and not a single bullet was fired.
Do you think passing a law against blowing up buildings full of people would have stopped the bad guys?
No because they are not going to obey the laws.

Poisons are not hard to make and I would rather be shot to death than poisoned to death, or crushed to death by a car.

It comes down to personal responsibility.

Firearm ownership is our Constitutional right, it's not up for debate, the restrictive infringements are illegal and will one day be repealed.

We are likely to see religious extremist committing acts terror and people are going to want to protect their loved ones, police can't be everywhere all the time, I expect what's been done against us may well serve to restore us.

It's legal to build your own firearm, well maybe not in your state if they have infringed your constitutional right, but here I can build my own rifle so long as it has at least a 16 inch long barrel and is 26 inches long overall, but it can have a folding stock.
I can build a pistol but it can not have a rifle stock or a fore grip as that makes it a 2 handed weapon or an AOW " any other weapon "
Basically anything besides short barrel rifles/shotguns AOW's and full autos, and destructive devices.

I can build my own gun I just cant sell it without a serial number, and if for profit a dealer license.

Really we are supposed to be free, and only a law abiding person is effected by a law, a criminal is not stopped by a law...do you see how crazy it is?

I have been shot at, but that does not mean some 70 year old grandmother in the sh1t part of town should be deprived from being able to defend her home and grandchildren.

I have been shooting since my dad took me to the range and with a seat cushion so I could see over the bench to shoot cigarettes in half with his 50 year old marlin 22 that my mom gave him as a gift before they were married, a rifle that never had a serial number because they were not required...used to be if you wanted a gun you would go buy one, kids used to take pocket knives to school.

Our problem is not the availability of base ball bats, it's what dirt bag people sometimes do with them, and kitchen knives.

We have to punish bad people for doing bad things, not punish inanimate tools for what a person did, or deprive good people of tools.

I have been shooting since I was 10 years old and I have never shot anyone, well with a paint ball gun yes, but not to kill.
I have hunted animals, and I know how it feels to break something that you can not fix as you watch it die.
I have seen my wife die right in front of me from lung cancer drowning in her own blood.
I don't want to hurt anyone, but I even more don't want to be powerless to prevent an evil person from killing a loved one or an innocent person even.

Don't blame the tool for the crime of a person, blame the person.

In America, or at least is some states you can still build your own gun.


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That is one of the most frustrating things to me regarding gun laws.

Its already illegal to kill people, or even to shoot, stab or bludgeon them, etc...even if they live.

Regulating the devices doesn't work, people find a way if they want to.

IE:

Its against the law to kill school children in classrooms.

You're not allowed to walk into a school w/o going to the office first and getting a pass, etc.

You can't have a magazine that holds more than X rounds (Lets say 5)...but you can put a block into a larger mag to make it hold only up to the allowed number of rounds.

Someone who is mentally unsound walks into the classroom w/o getting a pass first and shoots kids, but, reloads after every 5 shots because the one law they obeyed was to block the added magazine spaces?




Its like expecting to catch a bank robber fleeing the crime because of the speed limit keeping him from going faster.

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That is one of the most frustrating things to me regarding gun laws.
It's the most frustrating things with laws in general. Murder, assault, robbery, rape, fraud, they are all already covered. Yet more and more laws are being added.

It's also to be a great point of frustration with the government to me. We have a legislative branch that actually prides itself on the amount of legislation that it produces. So much so that it can't even keep track of said legislation itself.
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Is anything still legal?

I read that we can buy tannerite in 2 parts and mix it at the time of personal, non commercial use, but we need a license to pre mix and store it?

Any info is appreciated, I buy fireworks twice a year but I don't make any, I would like to know the actual law though.
Unmixed, it's not explosive. Mixed it's considered a high explosive (according to ATF). The actual law? As with most intrusive ATF decisions, it's just their interpretation.

Unless one is willing to test the law, and take their chances, it's best to just follow their interpretation. For instance, I doubt the ATF can regulate a shooting stance. So shouldering a piece of hardware, they call a pistol, likely wouldn't be upheld in court. But who's willing to take a chance?

They try to define a pistol as something that's fired with one hand. If they could regulate a firing stance, then firing a rifle with one hand, would be considered a pistol. And firing a pistol with two hands, would be considered a rifle. They don't do either of those, for obvious flaws in reasoning. So, I doubt firing a 516P, at the shoulder would earn a conviction, upon appeal. But I'm not willing to test the law with mine. Besides, I like mine better with a cheek rest.



How do you know you are old? I remember when it was ok to teach gun safety in schools. All mass shootings occur in gun free zones. I wonder why that is? Gun control's ONLY effect is to make it impossible for law-abiding citizens to defend themselves.
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Although the sig brace batfe ruling could be challenged in court, it's not something anyone want's to have to do, and the fact this twilight zone crap is going on in our country today along with ....god we may have a rough future, you know N.Korea launched a rocket into space today, deployed a satellite and they are refining uranium....things are getting spooky.

So yes, I too say avoid the trouble, the cheek rest pistol tube is a good idea.
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Schools in this area used to have shooting ranges out back or in the basement. Students brought their rim fire rifles AND ammo to school on the school bus.
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Hire an armed guard, bullet proof blankets are scare tactics, that's sickening. Barry is not incompetent and finally I am hearing others say it, we are getting bamboozled.
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Freedom loving Americans must stand together in defense of our Constitutional Rights regardless of age, gender, religion or any other differences what so ever.
That said I think Mike and I do enjoy a lot of the same things and I welcome the chance to earn his friendship/respect.
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LaVoy Finicum, the ranch owner and dead man you saw gunned down in the snow in Oregon was not just a crazy cowboy, it turns out he has some videos, it's interesting to listen to a dead man talk sometimes.

Once you hear what he has to say I bet you take his side. I know I do.
So now farewell and RIP I must say to a brave American.
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Great video. I hope everyone watches it. It's long, but you will learn more about the country and our rights, if you take the time to watch it. I suspect there won't be one liberal who watches it all the way through.

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Yea and I hear Bundy senior got grabbed at the airport this morning, now him and his sons are all stuck in solitary. How dare they commit civil disobedience.

But they say the Chinese solar farms were meant for different valleys and it sure is ironic the way Harry Reid took such a beating.....I mean had that exercising accident before he stepped down as speaker of the senate.

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Watched first 5 minutes, don't have time to watch more now, but so far everything he said was sensible.
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I will put it on this entry for anyone who has not seen it.
and I will post something gun related.



I collect K1's and DR200's they are long stroke piston driven South Korean AR/AK/HK well they took the best of 3 rifles and improved our m-16 25 years ago. These are tack drivers and 100% as reliable as the ammunition. They use AR mags and have the same ergonomic controls. Mag release, last round hold open, bolt release. I prefer side charge to rear as that gets rid of the need for a forward assist. Not that you need to assist, with the robust AK style piston/spring up top it is super reliable.
They have a spring loaded ejector that spits out brass like it was mad at it, a full long stroke AK style piston and spring on top of an AR style BCG and a HK style gas adjustor that I just leave in normal and it never fails.

K1 is 1 in 7 and DR200 is 1 in 12

It takes forever to upload so I'm just going to show off the factory trigger, they have zero take up, little over travel and a short crisp reset.
I won't say how many I have but if I find one at the show I try to buy it, if they want 1200 I pass but if I can get a deal I have to grab them up, they are excellent shooters. Coke cans at 100 yards are no problem, even though they look so tiny at that range.



All these alphabet agencies make regulations that carry the weight of law, now they can change existing regulations without a comment and reflection period.
Well if you change a rule and change it again then change it again it's nothing like it started and this rubber stamp tyranny is backed up with FORCE in the case of BLM it's armored vehicles and military weapons. Remember the IRS scandal, people were ruined and still are being ruined, we don't vote to register our drones, or what size soda we can buy, it gets told to us and we must obey under threat of force.
If you don't think government run medical will invade your life and tell you what to do under threat of force then you are in for a shock.
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