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Old 01-13-2016, 09:29 PM #1249
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Ok, ok, no need to take out the big guns.



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I agree that religious discussions should stay in that thread. I also think it would be easier to take you seriously on that topic if you would attempt to discuss it, I've only seen you "appeal to ridicule".

And to be on topic, I like guns too. My two babies are my Marlin Model 917VSF and a Taurus 4510TKR-3MAG Revolver.
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I've only seen you "appeal to ridicule".
That is certainly true as of late. I kind of gave up on that thread, every single discussion inevitably devolved to points that require acceptance of circular logic.
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You've said that before and I've disagreed before, I guess it's stuck there. I won't dog you for stepping out though, it's a tiresome thread to stay in.
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wait what ?
He'd claim the bible as evidence of itself. I would claim that's circular logic. And on and on it would go.

It's still going in other in the religion thread. Drop in there if you're having trouble sleeping.

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Guns have this thread.

Politics, religion, recipes, don't go here.




It would be different if we disagreed as to whether guns exist or not...then, technically, it could go here.

I could be wrong, but I believe guns exist.

If there are aweaponists present, no offense meant, but we should be allowed to disagree.

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Our politics, religion, and recipes are all different, mixing them with guns is a recipe for disaster.

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I can accept that someone on the internet might have a different opinion than I do, without feeling like not changing their mind means a war, etc.



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He'd claim the bible as evidence of itself.
I'd be willing to discuss in the other thread as this is completely incorrect.

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WallyWorld has had the xm-855 in the 150 round box for 69.99 - 79.99, basically around 50-55 cents a round plus tax.

For a while they had ZQ1 556 which is the SS-109, that's the 855 only without the tip painted green and it was 30 rounds for 9.99, that's a fantastic deal.

It's Turkish made but it is high quality, clean, annealed case neck, primer sealed and crimped with the penetrator tip, boat tail and a very good ballistic coefficient, the box claims sub 1 moa guaranteed. All are 62gr at 3095fps

Sadly I can't find it anymore, and word is Wally can't get it at that price anymore, luckily I grabbed a few hund rds when it was 9.99 a box of 30, now they only have some left in 308.
Recently Wally has Winchesters white box 855 for 8.44 and that's 20 rounds of green tip with sealed primers and annealed case necks, nato brass.

I will be grabbing 3 boxes a day while I can, because the next time batfe will not have to do the comment period, they will simply make the rule changes, so get all you ever want soon. The right hand penetrator is the ZQ1, its good stuff.

The 62gr penetrator is a little heavier than the old standard xm-193 55gr, but the big difference is the projectile is longer, so as most of you know you need a 1 in 7 to 1 in 9 twist barrel to stabilize these and these are 556 chambered, although most sporting M4 uppers are a wylde modified chamber that will accept either 223 or 556, I prefer a 1 in 12 for the 55gr loads and find them to be more accurate although some like it heavy, I like them fast. That Russian brass "golden bear" I have heard is near match grade in a 55gr. Honestly in my 1 in 12 I like Ga arms circle cross once fired brass reloads, 55gr at 3240fps, my chamber will take both as most will except some bolt rifles.

But these have their place and they are effective, the BC of the ZQ1 looks a lot less bulbous than the old 55gr standard and that should lend itself to long range accuracy, My near by range only has a 200 yard and I can tear it up with any upper/load.

But if you have a 1 in 7 or 9 twist and access to 500 yards that ZQ1 is going to impress against the 855. This Winchester has the nato circle cross and is likely standard 855 spec. I'm sure everyone knows you can't use this at any indoor ranges.
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Brass cased hollow point 12 gauge shotgun shell by Oath Ammo. It can expand 2.5"...

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@everyone I don't know if anyone who has been contributing to this thread has either seen pictures of injuries caused by, actualy injuries caused by, or been on the receiving end of any of the projectiles discussed. I have enjoyed all aspects of firearms, collecting, shooting, and studying balistics. While spared from Vietnam by the number 259 I have already shared what it was like having a .45 western slug find its way through both of my thighs. I have also seen up close and personal what bullets and shotgun blasts do to various body parts. It has always been a sobering experience. I suspect I am just waxing philosophically about the fact that however interesting firearms may be, their raison d'ętre is to cause death and to do so quickly and effeciently.
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@everyone I don't know if anyone who has been contributing to this thread has either seen pictures of injuries caused by, actualy injuries caused by, or been on the receiving end of any of the projectiles discussed.
Yes lots, yes, and no, or probably not yet, given how my luck tends to go.

Since we're waxing philosophical on the subject, it bothers me to no end how gun shot injuries in particular, and all injuries in general are portrayed in movies and tv shows. Bullet to the side, no worries. Shoulder or leg? Still find to run with a limp or just grit teeth a bit more when hanging onto a ledge by that one shot up arm.
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