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Old 11-23-2015, 09:43 AM #1137
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This video is well over a year old so I don't know if it was posted before here but I just now saw it for the first time, top ten movie guns.



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WOW, everyone and his brother is buying up AR's right now, potus has boosted sales like mad.
I got online to order a build kit, I was going to do either a rifle or a pistol and everything is about sold out at the moment, popular idea right now. LOL

I wanted to build a visible IR combo laser, but I may just buy one for now, I have good optics but for my pistol AR build I want a laser and a holo sight, I may just buy one.


Has anybody used one of these yet?
80 x 60 Flir Leptons can't be 80 x 60 pixels, or is it?
30 hz should be 30 times a second.

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This is also not a bad deal.

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I wish they would stack these lasers rather than have them on the sides, I know it doesn't really matter, but still.

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How durable is truglow? Anyone have one? It says semiconductor diode, 515-520 direct?
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LOL our glorious leader has done more to boost gun sales than any president or politician in history. Mr. President.

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I was surprised to find this thread on this forum. Generally, I have followed PL because I have no interest in hand held lasers. I have nothing against them, just no interest. Lasers are a fascinating hobby, but my attention is usually on politics. I have been disappointed in the general trend on PL toward positions that are consistent with big government and intrusive bureaucracy ("please Mr inspector, shut down that DJ using the illegal laser projector").

I believe the interest in lasers and guns does, as stated above, stem from the appeal of projected energy, but I also believe that the person that owns these lasers rejects an intrusion by people that do not understand them, fear them or resent the freedom of others to posses them.

Our government fears its citizens far more than terrorists. Despite the reckless behavior of the US government as well as David Cameron and especially Angela Merkel, the number of terrorists in these countries is still small compared to the number of patriots that will and can rise up in revolt. Even a "revolutionary" election like that threatened by Donald Trump terrifies them.

I know it's disappointing that you are finding it difficult to obtain a certain gun and often the desired ammunition. But this is comforting to me. It means that we are not alone. We are not the only ones that get it.

MacArthur said "there is no such thing as security, only opportunity". Over only just the last few hundred years there have been countless revolutions. Most have been horribly bloody affairs and I wouldn't want to be stuck in one, but as Gandalf said “So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

If Sweden does not fall into civil war or the UK fails to withdraw from the EU I'll be surprised. By the way, I'm voting for Trump.
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I was surprised to find this thread on this forum. Generally, I have followed PL because I have no interest in hand held lasers. I have nothing against them, just no interest. Lasers are a fascinating hobby, but my attention is usually on politics. I have been disappointed in the general trend on PL toward positions that are consistent with big government and intrusive bureaucracy ("please Mr inspector, shut down that DJ using the illegal laser projector").

I believe the interest in lasers and guns does, as stated above, stem from the appeal of projected energy, but I also believe that the person that owns these lasers rejects an intrusion by people that do not understand them, fear them or resent the freedom of others to posses them.

Our government fears its citizens far more than terrorists. Despite the reckless behavior of the US government as well as David Cameron and especially Angela Merkel, the number of terrorists in these countries is still small compared to the number of patriots that will and can rise up in revolt. Even a "revolutionary" election like that threatened by Donald Trump terrifies them.

I know it's disappointing that you are finding it difficult to obtain a certain gun and often the desired ammunition. But this is comforting to me. It means that we are not alone. We are not the only ones that get it.

MacArthur said "there is no such thing as security, only opportunity". Over only just the last few hundred years there have been countless revolutions. Most have been horribly bloody affairs and I wouldn't want to be stuck in one, but as Gandalf said “So do all who live to see such times. But that is not for them to decide. All we have to decide is what to do with the time that is given us.”

If Sweden does not fall into civil war or the UK fails to withdraw from the EU I'll be surprised. By the way, I'm voting for Trump.


I think you give the government far more credit for a cohesive consciousness than it deserves.

The reality seems to be closer to politicians, historically, saying what they think they need to say to maintain power/get elected.

If they think their base (Dems) wants "gun control", they say they are for it, and come up with things that sound like gun control...like banning automatic assault weapons that are pretty much not used in crime, and who's few users in crime would not care if it was illegal to have them.

If they think their base wants school teachers to carry fully automatic assault rifles, they say that teachers should be trained like SWAT teams, or whatever.

If they think their base wants to nuke the gay whales, or deny global climate change, or make cats citizens, then that's what they say to them, and so forth.

I doubt that they "THEY" have any agenda other than keeping their party in power.

They don't fear the public revolting, they fear not getting reelected.

I doubt they fear terrorists per se, they see their existence as leverage, and would worry how an attack might affect their ratings, not how they'd affect the country.

I know people who worked for Trump. He's a scumbag. He's also blowing smoke up your ass, saying whatever he thinks will get you to vote for him.

You like who you think he is, which is the plan all politicians have of course.

The reality of Trump is that he is entirely 100% interested in the welfare and success of Trump, and, no one else.

If he has a building built, he pays half of the contract costs, and say "So Sue Me" for the rest if you want it...so he regularly rips off contractors, because he CAN.

And so forth. He's not a nice person, or a sincere person.

As president, he'd be a disaster. He doesn't know what he doesn't know.



Of course, his base is composed of a lot of single issue people who hear he's kicking out muslims and mexicans, rolling back gun control, and so forth.

Its frustrating to have to throw the baby out with the bathwater.


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THEY as you say being the politicians DO have an agenda, they live quite well and power broker, running America into serious debt, and THEY know in time the citizens are going to have to work like slaves and pay 90% tax while living in multi generation households and riding the bus and THEY want the slaves/citizens disarmed.
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90% tax, OK.

Most of us pay closer to 25% or so.

A strong middle class, overall, means more tax revenue...and no one could afford to pay 90% in that income level, etc...so its not a realistic "goal".


"The Government" includes the NRA friendly republican party, the Libertarian party, etc, who DON'T want to "Disarm America".

America has had serious debt, and, as a percentage of the total financial package, is not much different that the average homeowner's overhead, etc.

The goal of "the government" is different from "the effect of the government".



So, while I believe the crafters of the system we use, wanted the citizens to be able to rise up and revolt, so the right to bear arms was protected in the first place...

...it has been diluted to more along the lines of "the right to shoot ducks".

And now the arguments are closer to "Why do you need a bazooka to hunt deer?" etc.

The bazooka was to revolt against the gov if the gov became repressive, etc.

In general, modern (US) society is HORRIFIED at the idea of a revolt.


That's TREASON!


They then go on about how a guy with a rifle could not beat guys with fighter bombers, so there could not BE a revolution anymore, etc...when they're the ones who made it so THEY could not HAVE a fighter bomber too.


Of course, they'd all be Tory's in the US revolution...while at the same time, ALL of them assumed they'd be the revolutionaries if alive at the time of the revolution, and look down at the Tories...when reading about it all in their history books.





IE: Things would have to get to the point where a citizen would look at an american soldier as the enemy, and be willing to kill him.

If things get to that point, there WOULD be a revolution.

Things are NOWHERE NEAR that point at present though, so, it aint gonna happen...in the US.


Its ALREADY happened in the middle east, etc.


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You do know we used to have a 90% tax bracket.

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Much can happen quickly and unrest has been in the news in places like Ferguson and elsewhere very recently, so regardless of what seems implausible as luck favors the prepared I intend to be prepared.

As for high tech fighter bombers they never can finish the job, it always takes boots on the ground and there is strength in numbers, hence numbers with force multipliers have more strength.
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I agree that the politicians fear the effect of the vote more than the threat of revolutionary guns.

I disagree that the the government is acting with only the shortsighted view to the next vote. They do indeed look there, but it is obvious to most Americans that the reason that both parties throw open our borders is the desire to, over the long term, import third world people that will be more tolerant of big government control, vote Democrat(70%) or undercut labor costs.

You make the false assumption that I like what I think he is. Firstly, you don't know what I think he is. Secondly, you assume I like him. I don't particularly do, but I like the effect his campaign is having on the establishment politicians.

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This may be true, but based on what I can see, I disagree. I've run into these individuals, who hasn't? Hell, we all make this mistake. But why throw this particularly at Trump? What is the evidence? No, I think you're taking this position for a different reason. Berry has demonstrated gross incompetence and arrogance. He clearly does not know what he does not know and for you to point this criticism rather at trump indicates a bias.

Regarding revolt...I do not anticipate all out civil war, but escalating lawlessness. The government flouts the law and the protections of the constitution are rapidly shrinking. What the NSA is doing and the IRS targeting is frightening. PC is gutting the first amendment and cops are having to gear up like terminators because the gang violence requires it. Many of the members of these gangs are illegally in this country. The borders MUST be closed.

Whenever someone (who is not insane) presents a contradictory position or redirects the argument toward another topic then at best they are hiding something and at worst lying.

So, let's do a test. Who do you support? I would like to hear the arguments that support that choice.
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I agree that the politicians fear the effect of the vote more than the threat of revolutionary guns.

I disagree that the the government is acting with only the shortsighted view to the next vote. They do indeed look there, but it is obvious to most Americans that the reason that both parties throw open our borders is the desire to, over the long term, import third world people that will be more tolerant of big government control, vote Democrat(70%) or undercut labor costs.

You make the false assumption that I like what I think he is. Firstly, you don't know what I think he is. Secondly, you assume I like him. I don't particularly do, but I like the effect his campaign is having on the establishment politicians.



This could as fairly be applied to most of the candidates in both parties. Frankly this could be applied to a significant portion of the population.



This may be true, but based on what I can see, I disagree. I've run into these individuals, who hasn't? Hell, we all make this mistake. But why throw this particularly at Trump? What is the evidence? No, I think you're taking this position for a different reason. Berry has demonstrated gross incompetence and arrogance. He clearly does not know what he does not know and for you to point this criticism rather at trump indicates a bias.

Regarding revolt...I do not anticipate all out civil war, but escalating lawlessness. The government flouts the law and the protections of the constitution are rapidly shrinking. What the NSA is doing and the IRS targeting is frightening. PC is gutting the first amendment and cops are having to gear up like terminators because the gang violence requires it. Many of the members of these gangs are illegally in this country. The borders MUST be closed.

Whenever someone (who is not insane) presents a contradictory position or redirects the argument toward another topic then at best they are hiding something and at worst lying.

So, let's do a test. Who do you support? I would like to hear the arguments that support that choice.

I don't remember telling you what you thought, or even mentioning your positions, and, Barry is not a candidate, so, wasn't on the table in that context.

I did make some blanket statements about politicians in general, so, if you want to, you can assume I feel that way about Barry if it makes you feel less stressed?



I don't support any of them as of yet.

So far, as the thread was asking who is getting our vote, and, as a separate question, who would WIN...I did state that I don't support any of them...and was discussing pluses and minuses for the factors that might affect who wins.

None by the way was addressed to you personally.
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This is what I am referring to. And, my position is that I support Trump. This is a significant component of your entire post.

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That's much better.

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Sorry, but this is not convincing. Not answering the first question is obviously your choice, but a bit of a cop out. Yet, suggesting that your description of the Trump campaign is an unbiased analysis of the horse race does not cut it; not even close.

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Don't worry about it. I love politics and I expect to pitch and catch.
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This is what I am referring to. And, my position is that I support Trump. This is a significant component of your entire post.



That's much better.



Sorry, but this is not convincing. Not answering the first question is obviously your choice, but a bit of a cop out. Yet, suggesting that your description of the Trump campaign is an unbiased analysis of the horse race does not cut it; not even close.



Don't worry about it. I love politics and I expect to pitch and catch.

I never said I was unbiased, I am biased, because Trump is a local guy, and I know how he operates.

I am biased against Trump because Trump is a scumbag. He's not honest, he's not competent, he implies he's competent because he has a lot of money, despite the fact that he has less money than if he'd merely left his inheritance in an average S&P mutual fund...instead of making bad decisions with it.

If Trump was from somewhere I was not, and I only knew what I read about him...I'd be more open minded/stupid. But he's not from somewhere else.

Its like Christy, he's local, I know how HE works too, etc.

I can't be unbiased, because knowledge biases my opinion. If someone to whom Trump is just what they read, has a different impression than those who know him, that's normal...but who do you think has a better picture of who he really is?

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Fair enough, but then granting that we are all biased, I still say your analysis comes across as an anti-indorsement rather than a prediction. Will he win? Will he loose? vs Should he win or should he loose?

I predict he will loose. I think Hillary will win. I hope that won't happen and by now it should be clear why, but my fellow travelers are too few.
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Fair enough, but then granting that we are all biased, I still say your analysis comes across as an anti-indorsement rather than a prediction. Will he win? Will he loose? vs Should he win or should he loose?

I predict he will loose. I think Hillary will win. I hope that won't happen and by now it should be clear why, but my fellow travelers are too few.
Trump?

If he gets the republican ticket, it hands the Dems the national election...as you predict too.


The Republican party has evolved over the past elections to candidates who swing far to the right, so that they get endorsed and supported by their local bases that tend to be far right based.

Once the candidate wins the nomination by swinging far right, he's no longer a good choice as viewed by the majority of the country, which tends to be more center than right or left.

Its gotten so bad that many republicans have to pretend that they don't believe in evolution, that the earth is 6,000 years old, and that there's no global climate change going on...or they alienate their base.

Then they have to face a national audience who look aghast at those idiocies, and the republicans lose again.


So, they can and do win their local elections...and pack Washington with representatives...but, the national stage is a fright.


They scared the country SO bad last time, the country RE-Elected Obama.

Think about that....that's scared BAD.




If the party dumped the Tea Party loonies, etc, and just went back to its prior conservative but not radically so positions, they'd have won a few national elections.

If they continue to be out of touch with reality, well, it will be more of the same.


Trumps playing to his base...some fall for it.


Some just want a change (A very popular election slogan BTW), and Trump looks like about as much change as possible.


But its a bit like the guy who's wife has cancer, his house is on fire, his boss fired him, so he bought a gorilla.

People say, Why in the world did you buy a GORILLA?

He says "Well, I had to do SOMETHING!"

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The GOP backed Romney, The Mormon Candidate. STUPID!

Romneys buddy got on tv and said a woman who gets raped must have the baby because it's gods will and Romney did not take a stand against it.

Alienated women voters and flat out voter fraud got Barry re elected.

I believe in Freedom is for everyone. Women get to choose, it's their baby and their choice.

Dammit if you don't want to be told what to do then stop thinking it's ok to tell others what to do.

We need an Independent who's not a puppet of either party.

We need someone who believes the Constitution and Bill of Rights are the Supreme laws of our land.

We need an Independent with some common sense, someone we can trust because Freedom has to be for everyone.

HERE'S the big problem, if Trump leaves the GOP he has to know that Hillary will win, and we have to know it was engineered that way from the start and drop him like a stone, Trump is too favored, so now he's acting like a fool, maybe to make sure he wont accidentally win as a 3rd party candidate. The Republican field was too good this time, Trump promised loyalty to the GOP and if he breaks his word everybody must drop him or Hillary wins, if Trump is our man then he must keep his word, but I fear he never intended to win, just divide the conservative vote and guarantee Hillary.

Think about it, Barry and company wielding the giant sword of the IRS could have gotten to Trump, it was do what we want and get paid or we destroy you, why else would he be acting so lame now, Trump has had time to get professional coaching, yet he acts like the schoolyard bully, he has to shed some popularity before he jumps ship.

If Trump is our man then he will win the Republican ticket and he gets my vote, but if he jumps ship we must all drop him or we get Hillary.

Sure we want an Independent, but Trump pledged his loyalty to the GOP......... *THIS MUST BE HIS TEST*.
Believe me I hate this but you all know it's true, if the "anybody but Hillary" voters get divided Hillary wins, If trump loses the Republican nomination he must fall on his sword and step down, or we will get Hillary, he is smart enough to know this, he should be talking smarter by now, we are being played I fear. I hope I'm wrong. I really really hope I am wrong.
p.s. If Trump does jump ship I hope the GOP picks Carly Fiorina, she is smart, she can destroy Hillary. But remember 49% of this nation gets at least 1 form of government assistance in their mailbox each month, 1/6 are seniors, than means 1/3 of the nation gets assistance and is already bought and paid for. * For the most part.
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Teej,

I agree, but the Democrats play to their base just as brazenly. Most elections are won by the less active and usually less motivated few in the "center". It is a mistake to assume that these are the wise and reasonable independents. Many of these are the barely awake and poorly informed.

I am also very serious when I state that we do not really have a two party system. We have a single, big government, intrusive, self promoting elite. These are true fascists that use government to threaten and bribe voters to reward huge money interests and remain in power. The Clintons and the Bushes are the obvious examples, but it's way more pervasive than this. We really need a Gorilla.
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