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That boardroom picture reminds me one of the Call of Duty's where you went to the museum or something and every weapon in the game was there. And wasn't it when you grabbed a gun the juggernauts came rushing in and basically killed you in seconds. cool picture.

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So, if I am petrified of lasers, and I need to leave if I see a laser, so, I don't want anyone to HAVE a laser, you think its OK if I lobby to get them banned?
if you feel the need for sure that is your "right" to. I on the other hand are not lobbing to ban anything if I mislead you, guns included.


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Can you think of cases where a guy who HAD a CCW permit etc, used it to commit a crime?
no can't off the top of my head but a Google search I'm sure they exist.

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The CRIMINALS don't CARE if the GUN is illegal, they're already fine with KILLING which is even MORE illegal.
premeditated murders is about the only ones fitting that category.

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So, the ONLY people who would STOP carrying are the ONE'S WHO OBEY THE LAW.
completely disagree. Millions of current legal gun owners in my opinion would stash guns if they ever became illegal. I will bet anything and everything I own on that!!!

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When you say "I'll never need one", that's probably quite true, luckily. Of course, the people who DO suffer break ins, muggings, car jackings, etc...didn't think THEY'D ever need one either.
a small percentage would have much effect on a random mugging car jacking break in whatever. I think that statistic is somewhere read it before. All gun owners I've ever seen don't "jump into defense mode" when they hear a bump in the night so I still feel they are overhyped.

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But, lets say you're car shopping, and can buy car A that has poor crash resistance, but great mpg, or, car B that has great crash resistance, but poor mpg.

If there's no accident, you'd want to be in Car A. If you pick A, but ARE in an accident, you might have wished to have picked car B.

You don't KNOW if you will though...so, you choose based upon your priorities at the time.
your logic here could be used with almost any product you buy or for that matter every decision you make each day.

buy a cheap product and it malfunctions and it causes your death?

take the car it get in an accident and you die?

walk and get run over by a car and die?

stay at home and your house burn down and you die?



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Its the same for those who carry weapons. They are essentially going for car B, even though, as far as they are aware, they will probably never be in an accident....but, are thinking that Car B, just in case, is better.

People who choose not to carry are choosing car A...because an accident seems an even more remote possibility to them.


If all the people who choose car A decide that they are nervous about being hit by those driving car B, and decide they want to ban car B because car B makes them nervous, is that fair?

That's gun control in a nutshell.

same answer as the quote above, could be applied to almost anything.


No, you missed all the points.

The points:

1) IF guns were banned, People who obey the law WOULD NOT still have guns, BECAUSE if banned, and they HAD THEM, they would NOT be obeying the law....so saying you know guys who would not turn in their guns would mean you know guys would NOT OBEY the law, NOT guys who would in this case.

2) If the analogy is that the guy who goes with a car with better crash resistance, even though a crash is unlikely, yet conceivable, is LIKE the guy who carries a gun because needing it is unlikely, but not inconceivable...

...and the guy who goes with less crash resistance but better mpg is simply assuming that the odds of a crash worry him less...

..You can't negate the analogy by saying "Yeah, but the odds are small", because YOU ARE the guy who is simply assuming the odds are less...and you are thinking what you are supposed to think....IN the analogy.


If you read the analogy, at NO point did I say that the Car A, or Car B choice was CORRECT, I merely pointed out that the two parties simply prioritized the risk differently....while recognizing that the risk WAS small.

3) If the guy who chose the less crash worthy car is worried about a collision with a more crash worthy car, and wants to ban the more crash worthy cars, that IS essentially what gun control is about.

Otherwise, why would YOU care if SOMEONE ELSE was carrying? Isn't it because the idea of a confrontation with an armed opponent seems scary to you? Guns threaten you...so, you want OTHER PEOPLE TO NOT HAVE THEM.

(If you are a typical gun control advocate - not you personally per se)


IE: YOU want to be unarmed, and, you don't want anyone ELSE to be either...because you don't want your choice to have a negative consequence, such as being unarmed when an arm would be advantageous.

This is totally logical of course. Why WOULD ANYONE want to show up with a knife at a gunfight? In the movies, the idea is always to try to get your opponent to throw down the weapon, and settle this a man a mano with good 'Ol fisty cuffs, etc.

A fair fight is always preferable to one where you're under armed.



The prius guy wants those giant SUV's banned, because if they hit him, it would end badly, and so forth.



As for the cheap product = fire issue, YES, it CAN be used, and IS used for ALL decisions.

That doesn't mean its not a fair question, it means its a COMMON question.

SHOULD you pay more for a lithium ion cell that doesn't end in the word fire?

What do you think the odds of a fire really ARE?

Some people go for it, and some justify the added expense to get something they feel poses LESS risk.


We ALL decide these things regularly. We ALL prioritize these things differently too...otherwise, there would be one brand of beer, one type of car, etc. Different strokes.


Even things like whether someone carries a flashlight, or a knife, or change, in their pocket. Some see carrying anything as weird and unnecessary. Others might decide some spare change might be ok, but a guy with a pen knife or flashlight is a whacko. Others spend hours deciding on the best EDC combination...and consider the guys with empty pockets to be under prepared.

Who's RIGHT? I think ALL of them, for them...most of the time.

So, sure, you COULD argue that not having ANYTHING is under prepared, or that carrying around a kitchen sink just in case you might need it is over prepared.

The key issue is that everyone decides on what that level of preparedness is going to be, for them...

...and its EXPECTED that the guy with the kitchen sink, and the guy with nothing, each see the other as a whacko.


I personally don't carry. The sacrifices that go with that, in my present situation, outweigh the benefit, to me. I'm in a low risk scenario, and, its not worth it, to me...to carry.

If my circumstances were different again, etc...that might change my prioritization, etc. Its a risk/benefit calculation.


I would never tell someone ELSE to do what I'm doing though, because the guys I hang with on my time off still carry even off duty...and, they MIGHT run into someone that remembers them less than fondly, and, act on it....so, carrying for guys who might need to defend themselves is essentially the primary purpose.







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Guns we're the discussion. If people still used hammers to commit crimes in the magnitude they donwith guns I'm sure that will be addressed. I'm not dissing people using things out of the norm just thinks guns are serious and need to be treated different.
I myself are petrified of guns I actually will leave any area or place if I know or see a gun on someone. I honestly get nervous around them even when talking with police the gun on their side gives me major discomfort. I'll go through life never owning a gun and never needing one.
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@Starlight: What is your "goal" in disarming American citizens? What would it accomplish? What would the benefit be?
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Sorry to piss everyone off. I know guns are very dear to so many but I've never had a need or want for them. I have never as basically every person alive has said "we don't want them banned" but gun nuts jump to that conclusion immediately.

I've always asked gun lovers what they would do or what would happen in a scenario.

We now live in a world where everyone carries a gun (old west movies are good example) and a few get into a argument for whatever reason and they start shooting? Mind you this is a crowded place (restaurant, shopping mall, sporting event, burning man) . Well everyone will now have draw their weapon and we have an old fashion shootout and many many people are dead. If you think you wouldn't draw and shoot I guess you shouldn't or wouldn't own or posses a gun right?
P.S. teej I didn't miss your points I disagree with them t.Wayne many people want things banned because they don't like them (drugs come mind are you for legal drugs) but I have said over and over I don't want them banned but it is the typical position gun people always take. On the other hand I think society would be safer but not in some peoples interest we know. and evil as I have said before if you don't like something it is your right to protest it and lobby to have it banned. Sometimes I think you guys are against human rights because things other don't like get so deep under your skin. You guys are being to right wing and trying very hard to put words in my mouth or take things out of context. We could and will debate this for days or years because guns are so dear to your guys hearts.
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Correction. Teej I can't believe I forgot about a situation where a CCW holder committed a crime. This was right under my nose and almost forgot about it. A CCW holder shot and killed a guy in the face who approached his truck in a traffic dispute just late last year just miles from my house, and I knew the victim personally. Google Martin Zale Howell, MI
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One? OK, I'm sure there are more, but, probably less than the number of people struck by lightning, etc.



The point is that the "Right to Bear Arms" was put there, essentially, so that the people could revolt if the government got too oppressive (again...).

So, ALL governments that want to subdue the population start by finding out who has guns, and where...and, then, if need be, seizing them.

Gun owners get very nervous when the "Right to Bear Arms" is eroded to the "Right to Shoot Ducks", and becomes essentially unable to fulfill its intended purpose.

At this point, its eroded to the point where more and more controls and limitations are espoused, and, those who feel threatened talk about imposing even more restrictions, and so forth.

The point is not that anyone WANTS to have a revolution, the point is the ability is lost.

Lets say (Made up example to get to a scenario) Canada mounts a surprise attack and invades the US in coordination with Russia, and Red China....and we are (One day in the far future...) an occupied country.

If you don't like Canada, go with ISIS, etc...it doesn't matter...someone gets power, just like has happened to EVERY world power, eventually, throughout history....

...so, it COULD happen here, and, one day, probably will, because that's how history works...

...and, we will have a hard time fighting back...because we lost our gun culture.


If there's a mob protesting about a trial that they wanted to go the other way, and there's lootings and violence, and there's opportunistic people going around helping themselves to whatever they normally would be more secretive about...it might be nice to have options.

Lets say baseball bats...you each get one, that sounds fair.

You are defending your wife and children, so, you want to make sure the other guy has just as good a chance of bashing your head in...a fair fight.


meh, I'd rather it was like "rock paper scissors", and if he has a rock, I want paper, etc.




So it went from defending the people (Armed citizens can form a militia to fight off the invaders, overthrow corrupt governments, etc), to defending yourself, to not being able to defend yourself either, but maybe you could use as small a caliber as possible to shoot targets or game, during certain times of year, after paying a fee to register that game, etc.

Its the constant attack on gun ownership and gun rights that gets gun people so frustrated.

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I think we could go on forever, it happens when your passionate about something. Guns are legal and I believe they will always remain legal. Thanks for the debate
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If you are trying to "save lives" by making more laws about guns, your time would be better spent and millions more lives saved by:
Banning fast food, sugar, and bad fats
Outlawing private ownership of automobiles, forcing everyone to use mandatory public transit
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About CCW crimes, in 2013 CCW holders committed 1/10 of 1% of all crimes.

In 2013 more people died falling out of bed, than died from all long guns combined, hunting rifles, shotgun, and "assault rifles"

Hand guns, that's a different story.

Remember without the second Amendment we wouldn't have the first amendment.

If we enforced the laws on the books, gun crimes would plummet. In 2013 200,000 potential gun purchasers were denied by the NIC's system already in place. They were not legally able to own a gun and the system stopped them. Now the amazing part, out of the 200,000 there were only 4 convictions.

Edit: I would also like to add (unfortunately living in CT) Its a little reported fact that adam lanza was turned down twice trying to purchase firearms, once at a local gun store near him, and the second was at a Dicks sporting goods in Danbury. That was 6 weeks prior to the tragedy. Twice turned down, twice the laws were not enforced...the rest is history.

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Guns we're the discussion. If people still used hammers to commit crimes in the magnitude they donwith guns I'm sure that will be addressed. I'm not dissing people using things out of the norm just thinks guns are serious and need to be treated different....
The assault weapons ban is designed to remove rifles that look scary. The criteria to be "An Assault Rifle" is not based upon anything that makes it kill better, instead, focusing on aesthetic cues that make it LOOK more like what they imagined a scary gun looked like.

IE: The HANDLE to make it easier to carry, etc, are what make it "banned", etc.


So, the FBI studies show that more people ARE murdered by hammers than by assault rifles, or even all rifles types combined.

So, when you flippantly assume that the attempts to ban assault rifles are more needed than a ban on hammers, because you incorrectly assumed that no one used hammers now that we had assault rifles...you are wrong. Even WITH assault rifles, and, other rifles, MORE murders occur every year due to hammers than due to assault rifles. (Assault rifles are just not that popular for real life murders, and, the politicians purposefully focus on them to try to not threaten hunters who vote, while at the same time appearing to "Do Something" about "the gun problem"


AND hammers WERE made for killing. Knives WERE made for killing. So, if your criteria is number of murders AND what the item was DESIGNED FOR, then you should be in favor of a nationwide ban on hammers, as, ironically, THAT would reduce the murder rate according to your world view...FAR more effectively than a ban on assault rifles.


In REAL LIFE of course, people simply adjust the weapon choices based upon availability....so, if there were no hammers, they would use a large wrench, or a lamp, etc....its how murder works in real life.

Reactively banning whatever was last used to commit a murder that you read about, ignoring the murders that were less sensational, yet, more statistically relevant, is never going to be effective.


As pointed out in prior posts by many here, addressing mental health would be FAR more effective than banning the random weapon choices a deranged person made.

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I was once robbed in Central Park in NYC by a guy with a knife, in Seattle WA I was hit in the head with a large glass bottle and tied up while I was burglarized, I was burglarized once again in the same place and once again when I lived in NYC for 3 years. I hope you are one day a victim of such a crime and then you will think differently about what rights we should have.



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I was once robbed in Central Park in NYC by a guy with a knife, in Seattle WA I was hit in the head with a large glass bottle and tied up while I was burglarized, I was burglarized once again in the same place and once again when I lived in NYC for 3 years. I hope you are one day a victim of such a crime and then you will think differently about what rights we should have.



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Yeah, starlight is a bit jaded by misinformation that he accepts as facts.

Apparently, he likes to say that anyone who poses a counter argument is gish galloping.

That's SUPPOSED to mean a series of small arguments that are invalid used to overwhelm an attempt to pose a response.

Its NOT supposed to apply to things like:

Man A Statement: Hammers are not used for murder as often as rifles

Man B Answer: Yes, they are, FBI studies show that hammers are used for murder far more than rifles.


Man A Statement: I am done gish galloping


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I had this come up on my facebook feed earlier, and shared it. Most of my UK friends are probably baffled by it as my views conflict with the UK masses.

Robber?s Famous Last Words: ?I Thought You Couldn?t Own A Gun In New Jersey? ALTERNATIVE MEDIA SYNDICATE

In fact, the only person that did comment on it or like it was one of my friends from the US side of the pond.

Had that man in the article not been allowed to legally arm himself he may be a goner now but instead he was able to protect himself and ultimately destroy someone whose purpose in life was at that moment to cause distress and/or kill an innocent.

I'm not sure whether I would actually carry a gun around or not but I am a believer that criminals don't obey the rules. The likes of the Sandy Hook shooting or the one where those people were murdered in the movie theatre, might not have been as serious if they were not "gun free" zones. I've had this discussion at length with my parents and despite spelling out in plain English the "bad guys don't follow the rules" thing, it's still hard for almost anyone in the UK to grasp. I really am an odd one out!
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